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[zan]

HERE WE GO AGAIN , the zionist is at it again, If you look at some of the photage that the bbc did NOT SHOW,last week,, you will see a british reporter telling the bbc that they did beat up 4 idf, and once they had thrown their guns overboard ,the idf were taken below and were treated for their cuts and abrasions,Now if these activists wanted to kill these guys they could have done it ,using the idf guns, but they chose not to, these activists had morals, which is more than can be said about the idf, I am begining to think paphitis has gone on one of these courses run by the jews to work the forums all over the world to further the zionist ideology, he tends to use all the same pharases, and call any one who disagrees antisemetic

Here we go again. The racist idiot is at it again!

They were taken below AFTER the IDF had taken control of the vessel. Some Aid workers convinced the IDF Commander to send his wounded below deck.

Even so, it was a Turkish Doctor who had to fight for the safety of the IDF soldiers when below deck from the Jihadist Turkish IHH!

You are not only a racist, but stupid as well!!

There was still gun fire when they where being taken care of mate

[Paphitis]

HERE WE GO AGAIN , the zionist is at it again, If you look at some of the photage that the bbc did NOT SHOW,last week,, you will see a british reporter telling the bbc that they did beat up 4 idf, and once they had thrown their guns overboard ,the idf were taken below and were treated for their cuts and abrasions,Now if these activists wanted to kill these guys they could have done it ,using the idf guns, but they chose not to, these activists had morals, which is more than can be said about the idf, I am begining to think paphitis has gone on one of these courses run by the jews to work the forums all over the world to further the zionist ideology, he tends to use all the same pharases, and call any one who disagrees antisemetic

Here we go again. The racist idiot is at it again!

They were taken below AFTER the IDF had taken control of the vessel. Some Aid workers convinced the IDF Commander to send his wounded below deck.

Even so, it was a Turkish Doctor who had to fight for the safety of the IDF soldiers when below deck from the Jihadist Turkish IHH!

You are not only a racist, but stupid as well!!

There was still gun fire when they where being taken care of mate

I don't think so! The UPPER deck was secured and the wounded were tended to after the MAVI changed course.

[zan]

HERE WE GO AGAIN , the zionist is at it again, If you look at some of the photage that the bbc did NOT SHOW,last week,, you will see a british reporter telling the bbc that they did beat up 4 idf, and once they had thrown their guns overboard ,the idf were taken below and were treated for their cuts and abrasions,Now if these activists wanted to kill these guys they could have done it ,using the idf guns, but they chose not to, these activists had morals, which is more than can be said about the idf, I am begining to think paphitis has gone on one of these courses run by the jews to work the forums all over the world to further the zionist ideology, he tends to use all the same pharases, and call any one who disagrees antisemetic

Here we go again. The racist idiot is at it again!

They were taken below AFTER the IDF had taken control of the vessel. Some Aid workers convinced the IDF Commander to send his wounded below deck.

Even so, it was a Turkish Doctor who had to fight for the safety of the IDF soldiers when below deck from the Jihadist Turkish IHH!

You are not only a racist, but stupid as well!!

There was still gun fire when they where being taken care of mate

I don't think so! The UPPER deck was secured and the wounded were tended to after the MAVI changed course.

Watch it again.

[IMPOSTALIEDUS]

You are either a gullable fool , or you conveniently choose to turn a blind eye to what goes on in this world , I am not sure which, but I on the other hand do not believe everything i see on the big screen, put out by the zionist controlled media, and as for being racist , you could not be further from the truth,

[Paphitis]

HERE WE GO AGAIN , the zionist is at it again, If you look at some of the photage that the bbc did NOT SHOW,last week,, you will see a british reporter telling the bbc that they did beat up 4 idf, and once they had thrown their guns overboard ,the idf were taken below and were treated for their cuts and abrasions,Now if these activists wanted to kill these guys they could have done it ,using the idf guns, but they chose not to, these activists had morals, which is more than can be said about the idf, I am begining to think paphitis has gone on one of these courses run by the jews to work the forums all over the world to further the zionist ideology, he tends to use all the same pharases, and call any one who disagrees antisemetic

Here we go again. The racist idiot is at it again!

They were taken below AFTER the IDF had taken control of the vessel. Some Aid workers convinced the IDF Commander to send his wounded below deck.

Even so, it was a Turkish Doctor who had to fight for the safety of the IDF soldiers when below deck from the Jihadist Turkish IHH!

You are not only a racist, but stupid as well!!

There was still gun fire when they where being taken care of mate

I don't think so! The UPPER deck was secured and the wounded were tended to after the MAVI changed course.

Watch it again.

Watched it twice already. All aid workers were already confined to below decks with the IDF controlling the Upper Deck, Engine Room, and Bridge.

No IDF soldier was to venture below deck as it was considered unsafe, until the MAVI arrived in Ashdod, but some IDF soldiers were going to die from severe blood loss from the knife wounds and so the commander had no choice but to turn the soldiers over to a Turkish Doctor so that he can tend to their life threatening injuries. When below deck, the Turkish Doctor had to defend the IDF soldiers from angry onlookers.

[Paphitis]

You are either a gullable fool , or you conveniently choose to turn a blind eye to what goes on in this world , I am not sure which, but I on the other hand do not believe everything i see on the big screen, put out by the zionist controlled media, and as for being racist , you could not be further from the truth,

And you're a bigger idiot for not making any sense whatsoever!

[shahmaran]

Not particularly!

I think you will find that your opinions are also worthless and that they carry about as much weight as Bull Ant!

But when opinion is based on indisputable fact, then that is am entirely different matter all together, but still worthless in the greater scheme of things.

Indisputable fact?

Where may we find those, in any of yours or Piratis's posts?

PS. If you are planning to post his shitty little Youtube video, then just ignore this post...

The truth is clearly outlined within countless UN Resolutions about the Pariah Status of the "trnc" and should give you a very clear vision of exactly where you stand.

Piratis, myself and many others have reminded you of the realities many times, but there is little sense in debating with nationalistic Turks full of hatred against all other Cypriots and who are hell bent in keeping their stolen loot of ethnically cleansed lands from the indigenous.

The indisputable facts are there, and they can never be denied no matter how much you behave like a spoilt little prat and thief! Which is why this forum is not to be taken seriously as a good source of political debate and commentary, since there are many lunatics such as you and many others. Lunatics who tried to tell us that the IDF gunned down 9 people on the MAVI Marmara for the hell of it.

This forum is only for some light relief and laughter at the expense of the many idiots....

You are not too bright.

You are thicker then I could imagine Paphitis, Piratis at least has some sense of style, you ain't got shit.

I have been living in the same place longer then I can trace back my ancestors, unlike you, Jewish-Greko-bastard, who does not even live here.

The fact that you think I am a thief and that I hate the Cypriot people, regardless off the above, really sets the ground for the amount of idiotic and ignorant shit you constantly spread all over the forum, and probably a lot more to come.

The IDF did not shoot them for the hell of it, they shot them because they could, and get away with it too. They have been doing it for 45 years, there is nothing new about the IDF's uncalled murders. These are the same people who run over news reporters with bulldozers and snipe little kids. Of course they were going to gun down a bunch of poorly armed people who were clearly not taking their illegal ways seriously.

Just the fact that you are an Israel supporter really should be the point where I stop wasting time with such a moron, but what the hell, make my day

So what do you say about all the UN resolution Israel stands in violation of?

Fight for the right to exist, they call it.

As I told you before, the facts are there for those willing to open their eyes. This not only applies to Cyprus, but also to Israel and the Palestinian Question and any other world conflict you wish to focus on.

The IDF can blow any ship or boat out of the water, or board them and shoot indiscriminately. They have the means, but they do not because such actions can not be adequately defended against and will bring about much unwelcome attention to their actions and also polarise international opinion against them. They indeed can, but they don't, unless of course the Commanding Officer needs to make an unfortunate decision to open fire in order to defend the lives of his boarding party as no one can deny that at least 3-4 of them came within inches of being bludgeoned to death. The IDF simply did what any other military would've done under the exact same circumstances.

I am not a blind supporter of Israel, but am very dismayed at the antisemitic opinions expressed by so many of my compatriots, and so I have decided that even Israel deserves some good air time in the face of so much bullshit, because quite frankly, the opinions of some here are so similar to those of the Third Reich which was responsible for the Holocaust. Even Israel has a somewhat sound grounding given the fact that the nation state faces a terrorist threat from Hamas. And this is not to say that the Palestinians are wrong and that Israel is right. On the contrary.

And yes, you are nothing but a common thief, who just comes here to shit stir and express partitionist ideals and rub salt in the wounds of so many eager to return to their villages. Geography is irrelevant!

But it is good to see you throw the toys out of the pram once again!

Do you really think you have offended me by calling me a Greek Jew? Are you stupid?

This is for you.....

I thought the part with "bastard who does not live here" would do the work.

You don't need to live in a particular place to have an opinion. You don't live in Israel, and probably have never even been to Israel, and seem to have an opinion about the Palestinian Question.

What the fuck do you mean geography does not matter? You talk way too much for someone who does not live here, and have the audacity to tell me that I am a thief? Because? Because I have been living in the same place since long before anyone even thought about starting the conflict? Yet I am thief who hates Cypriots and lives here? What are you stupid?

Geography is irrelevant and people do have the democratic right to express opinions about any conflict, and I just so happen to uphold this right with respect to the RoC since I am indeed a citizen and part time resident working overseas.

So you are not a Israel supporter, you accept they have a right to exist, but not in the expense of Palestinian lives and territory, yet Hamas is a terrorist group, who were also elected by the people?

I do not support injustice, but I do indeed support Israel's right to exist but not at the expense of Palestinians within Gaza or the West Bank. I do not support Israeli settlements and believe that an independent and viable Israel and Palestine is the only way to go. I also do not support Hamas or their terrorist activities, and also believe that Israel has a right and a moral obligation to defend itself and her citizens against any terrorist activity.

You must have also used similar logic pattern when you were reading about the Mavi Marmara, and how they started to open fire from the helicopters first, and how they did their best to cover up all evidence of their attack, which was in international waters.

Mate, if the IDF opened fire from the helicopter, you can bet your bottom dollar that no one would be standing on the upper deck and everyone would have been scrambling for cover below deck.

As I told you before, such action would be political suicide.

The reason they stopped the ship was because they believe everyone who wants to help the Palestinians would do so by bringing weapons. That is the "excuse" Israel uses to keep Palestine sealed.

No! The reason why they stopped the ship is because the MAVI Marmara did not comply with IDF directives to divert course for Ashdod, where the aid can be inspected and transferred to Gaza. And yes, the reason why they want to inspect the aid, s to ensure that no arms or other banned materials enter Gaza and into the hands of Hamas.

Yet there were no weapons on the ship. Nor were the people armed. The IDF had absolutely no excuse to board a ship in international waters and start to shoot everyone.

There were cement products, bullet proof vests and Night Vision Goggles. These are banned items.

If you believe other wise then you are beyond help. But again, make my day and give me one good reason why Israel should just shoot people in an unarmed ship....

If they didn't shoot, they would've lost some of their soldiers. I believe that this is a good enough reason even for stupid dimwits such as you.

Idiot!

Bodies have been recovered with bullet wounds clearly from high above! Eye witnesses say they opened fire from high above! They covered 250 bullet holes! What the fuck are you talking about?

So 9 people got shot because they were carrying cement on international waters?! Which was "recovered" by the IDF, the same people who fabricate dialogues that supposedly took place between them and the IDF officer.

You truly are a magnificent dick!

You can have all the opinions in the world, but the moment you call me a thief for just living here is the moment when you loose all credibility, which was my initial argument that your opinion was not worth shit, which you successfully prove over and over again.

[Paphitis]

Not particularly!

I think you will find that your opinions are also worthless and that they carry about as much weight as Bull Ant!

But when opinion is based on indisputable fact, then that is am entirely different matter all together, but still worthless in the greater scheme of things.

Indisputable fact?

Where may we find those, in any of yours or Piratis's posts?

PS. If you are planning to post his shitty little Youtube video, then just ignore this post...

The truth is clearly outlined within countless UN Resolutions about the Pariah Status of the "trnc" and should give you a very clear vision of exactly where you stand.

Piratis, myself and many others have reminded you of the realities many times, but there is little sense in debating with nationalistic Turks full of hatred against all other Cypriots and who are hell bent in keeping their stolen loot of ethnically cleansed lands from the indigenous.

The indisputable facts are there, and they can never be denied no matter how much you behave like a spoilt little prat and thief! Which is why this forum is not to be taken seriously as a good source of political debate and commentary, since there are many lunatics such as you and many others. Lunatics who tried to tell us that the IDF gunned down 9 people on the MAVI Marmara for the hell of it.

This forum is only for some light relief and laughter at the expense of the many idiots....

You are not too bright.

You are thicker then I could imagine Paphitis, Piratis at least has some sense of style, you ain't got shit.

I have been living in the same place longer then I can trace back my ancestors, unlike you, Jewish-Greko-bastard, who does not even live here.

The fact that you think I am a thief and that I hate the Cypriot people, regardless off the above, really sets the ground for the amount of idiotic and ignorant shit you constantly spread all over the forum, and probably a lot more to come.

The IDF did not shoot them for the hell of it, they shot them because they could, and get away with it too. They have been doing it for 45 years, there is nothing new about the IDF's uncalled murders. These are the same people who run over news reporters with bulldozers and snipe little kids. Of course they were going to gun down a bunch of poorly armed people who were clearly not taking their illegal ways seriously.

Just the fact that you are an Israel supporter really should be the point where I stop wasting time with such a moron, but what the hell, make my day

So what do you say about all the UN resolution Israel stands in violation of?

Fight for the right to exist, they call it.

As I told you before, the facts are there for those willing to open their eyes. This not only applies to Cyprus, but also to Israel and the Palestinian Question and any other world conflict you wish to focus on.

The IDF can blow any ship or boat out of the water, or board them and shoot indiscriminately. They have the means, but they do not because such actions can not be adequately defended against and will bring about much unwelcome attention to their actions and also polarise international opinion against them. They indeed can, but they don't, unless of course the Commanding Officer needs to make an unfortunate decision to open fire in order to defend the lives of his boarding party as no one can deny that at least 3-4 of them came within inches of being bludgeoned to death. The IDF simply did what any other military would've done under the exact same circumstances.

I am not a blind supporter of Israel, but am very dismayed at the antisemitic opinions expressed by so many of my compatriots, and so I have decided that even Israel deserves some good air time in the face of so much bullshit, because quite frankly, the opinions of some here are so similar to those of the Third Reich which was responsible for the Holocaust. Even Israel has a somewhat sound grounding given the fact that the nation state faces a terrorist threat from Hamas. And this is not to say that the Palestinians are wrong and that Israel is right. On the contrary.

And yes, you are nothing but a common thief, who just comes here to shit stir and express partitionist ideals and rub salt in the wounds of so many eager to return to their villages. Geography is irrelevant!

But it is good to see you throw the toys out of the pram once again!

Do you really think you have offended me by calling me a Greek Jew? Are you stupid?

This is for you.....

I thought the part with "bastard who does not live here" would do the work.

You don't need to live in a particular place to have an opinion. You don't live in Israel, and probably have never even been to Israel, and seem to have an opinion about the Palestinian Question.

What the fuck do you mean geography does not matter? You talk way too much for someone who does not live here, and have the audacity to tell me that I am a thief? Because? Because I have been living in the same place since long before anyone even thought about starting the conflict? Yet I am thief who hates Cypriots and lives here? What are you stupid?

Geography is irrelevant and people do have the democratic right to express opinions about any conflict, and I just so happen to uphold this right with respect to the RoC since I am indeed a citizen and part time resident working overseas.

So you are not a Israel supporter, you accept they have a right to exist, but not in the expense of Palestinian lives and territory, yet Hamas is a terrorist group, who were also elected by the people?

I do not support injustice, but I do indeed support Israel's right to exist but not at the expense of Palestinians within Gaza or the West Bank. I do not support Israeli settlements and believe that an independent and viable Israel and Palestine is the only way to go. I also do not support Hamas or their terrorist activities, and also believe that Israel has a right and a moral obligation to defend itself and her citizens against any terrorist activity.

You must have also used similar logic pattern when you were reading about the Mavi Marmara, and how they started to open fire from the helicopters first, and how they did their best to cover up all evidence of their attack, which was in international waters.

Mate, if the IDF opened fire from the helicopter, you can bet your bottom dollar that no one would be standing on the upper deck and everyone would have been scrambling for cover below deck.

As I told you before, such action would be political suicide.

The reason they stopped the ship was because they believe everyone who wants to help the Palestinians would do so by bringing weapons. That is the "excuse" Israel uses to keep Palestine sealed.

No! The reason why they stopped the ship is because the MAVI Marmara did not comply with IDF directives to divert course for Ashdod, where the aid can be inspected and transferred to Gaza. And yes, the reason why they want to inspect the aid, s to ensure that no arms or other banned materials enter Gaza and into the hands of Hamas.

Yet there were no weapons on the ship. Nor were the people armed. The IDF had absolutely no excuse to board a ship in international waters and start to shoot everyone.

There were cement products, bullet proof vests and Night Vision Goggles. These are banned items.

If you believe other wise then you are beyond help. But again, make my day and give me one good reason why Israel should just shoot people in an unarmed ship....

If they didn't shoot, they would've lost some of their soldiers. I believe that this is a good enough reason even for stupid dimwits such as you.

Idiot!

Don't be so hard on yourself!

Bodies have been recovered with bullet wounds clearly from high above! Eye witnesses say they opened fire from high above! They covered 250 bullet holes! What the fuck are you talking about?

So the IDF shot people from an elevated position, such as an upper deck. Well, they were on a boat!

Furthermore, once the order was given to shoot to defend themselves, then it doesn't matter from where now does it?

So 9 people got shot because they were carrying cement on international waters?! Which was "recovered" by the IDF, the same people who fabricate dialogues that supposedly took place between them and the IDF officer.

9 people got shot because they attacked IDF soldiers.

Other boats also carried cement, as well as other materials, even an Iranian vessel was intercepted with missiles, rockets, and AK-47s, but no one was shot, because no one attacked the IDF.

You truly are a magnificent dick!

I am magnificent, but my name is not Dick!

You can have all the opinions in the world

Thank you!

, but the moment you call me a thief for just living here is the moment when you loose all credibility,

No! You are a thief for supporting Turkey's plunder and the ethnic cleansing of those stolen lands!

which was my initial argument that your opinion was not worth shit, which you successfully prove over and over again.

Don't kid yourself sunshine! You don't have an argument!

[shahmaran]

[Piratis]

Who is going to make up for the 35 years we have lost, and the infinite amount of propaganda to make life as hard as it possibly can be for us, over here?

At least you have the option to live there. You didn't give the option to us, since you forced GCs out of there on gun point.

If you think it is hard to live there then you can always leave, like you forced us to do, but at least for you it is an option and nobody will steal your property if you choose to do so.

Funny how you demand to live without any problems on your ancestral land, but at the same time you don't want to allow to us to do the same. It is due to this that there has been no solution for 36 years. If you didn't insist on the ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots and the artificial creation of some "Turkish state" on land where the GCs have been the vast majority for 1000s of years, then there wouldn't be any Cyprus problem, and both you and the Greek Cypriots would be able to live without any problems on their own lands.

Oh yeah you had to move 100Km down south, that is such a bitch

Hardly comparable to being asked to leave the island is it?

You cannot live in your ancestral homes, because you support the denial of us living in ours.

Sorry the "balance of power" was eventually on our side

You forced us 100Km down south and you can move 100Km up north. Same thing. The only (major) difference is that for you is an option, and nobody will steal your lands while you are away, while the GCs had to run for their lives at gun point and their properties are now stolen.

Sure the balance of power currently (there is not going to be any "eventually" unless we gift our lands to you and stop caring for them) is on your side. But what you don't have on your side is any legal or moral ground to demand some "Turkish State" on land which was inhabited by a vast majority of GCs whom you ethnically cleansed.

Unfortunately for you your power is not enough to legalize such crimes and illegalities and you do have to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Our discussion started about what is "fair". You said that people understand "fair" deferentially. Maybe. But there are also some principles that all modern successful countries follow, such as democracy and human rights. We could follow those principles as well. But if you want more than your fair share because the balance of power currently favors you, then don't expect from us to just sit there and let you gain on our expense. We will fight back, and we can have a negative impact on your life in the same way you have a negative one on ours. Therefore stop crying about the "embargoes" etc, when at the same time you keep our lands under occupation. You wanted to gain with war on our expense, and it is silly from you if you expect that we will do nothing to stop you.

Fuck you!

Do you realize how many TC's had to flee the island?!

What am I supposed to feel sorry for your second home?

You want us to suffer, then you suffer too!

What a wanker you are Piratis...

Second home???? In the north are the ancestral homes of 100s of thousands of Greek Cypriots. (more than the total population of TCs)

Nobody has to suffer. You should stop insisting that the north part of Cyprus should become Turkish by means of ethnic cleansing so all our refugees can return and enjoy their homeland and then you can enjoy your homeland as well.

It is either that no side will suffer or both will. You want all your problems to end but you do not accept the same for GCs. A "solution" for you is the one that only solves your problems, and not ours.