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[BirKibrisli]

I have never denied the role of the TC fanatics and Turkey in our tragedy,GR...And I have always believed we need to have empathy,compassion,understanding and respect in order to overcome our bloody history and move forward as one people,one nation,in a unitary state based on full democracy and human rights etc...Back in 2007 I was under the illusion that if I admitted the role of the TCs and Turkey,this would encourage others to do the same...But I realised I was only reinforcing the false GC belief that their side was whiter than white... I also realised something more disturbing...GC fanaticism is alive and well...And these people are still bitter about the events from 1571,their hearts and minds are poisoned with hatred and desire for revenge,and they will not rest till they make the hapless TCs of today pay for the real and imaginary sins of their ancestors...There are many good human beings amongst the GCs,but unfortunately,as history is the proof,it is the fanatics who rule the day and dictate what happenes in civil and ethnic conflicts like our own...I could not in possibly continue to beat my own side with a big stick,when my conscience told me they were the the misunderstood and ignored ones,the ones who needed and deserved my empathy and compassion more,under the circumstances...
You can dig up all my old posts all you like,they will only tell the forumers half the truth...The other half of the truth has to be rammed down your throats,as you are unable and unwilling to confess your own sins...And without that a just and lasting solution cannot be found...And without that all Cypriots will be big losers...The bells are tolling for YOU ,my friend...

Why are you getting all worked up?

I just found it pretty audacious for you to accuse us of…

“They are the GC fanatics who are responsible for the tragedy in Cyprus...”

…when you had self confessed to your family’s involvement while you were sleeping with the weapons cache!

You have no idea what you read do you GC fanatics like you......A specific accusation......I understood you Bir......These guys are so keen to defend the indefensible that they do not even take the time to understand what they are reading..

You are right ,Zan...That is why I no longer bother with responding to them most of the time...They see only what the chains and walls of their minds tell them to see...They still don't get it that TMT started as a desperate measure to counter the EOKA movement which was aiming to bring about ENOSIS with Greece...They will never understand how threatened the TC community felt at the time...They are so full of themselves and so brainwashed by their politicians and their church to realise the plight of the TCs from the 50s to 1974...And they will never accept that the wish for Enosis with Greece far preceeded the TC demands for TAKSIM...It is like talking to a brick wall...They won't listen to logic or history or even emotive appeals...They are hell bent of achieving Partition,as long as they wont have to treat the TCs as equals...
On their head be it...

[BirKibrisli]

Alan,do not waste your time and energy on these people...They are the GC fanatics who are responsible for the tragedy in Cyprus...They have nothing but hatred and bitterness in their hearts,and they would do what theydid to the TCs did during the 50s and the 60s and early 70s all over again,only with more vengence this time...Not all GCs are like these,thankfully...I personally met some very human,kind and hospitable GCs during my visit to the RoC in 2007...But it only takes one rotten egg to spoil the omlette,and as long as people like these fanatics exist on and off the island we cannot possibly move forward as one people one nation,which is my dream,and I feel it is yours as well...Brush up on your Turkish language and culture,these fanatics will eventually drive every one of us into Turkey's arms permanently...And they will blame that on us as well...Go figure...

I'm afraid to admit this but you're absolutely right BirKibrisli. I have seen posts exchanged between yourself and Bananiot which is so encouraging then come along these fanatics and panic sets in.

I am very proud of my Cypriotness and don't think I want to give it up. If I wanted to live in Turkey I could easily do that but this is my home. All we have to do is to convert all these fanatics to accept us as Cypriots and hopefully in time this will happen.

Look at the BNP here, they had a couple of local councils and a seat or 2 in parliament, last elections they were totally wiped out and they lost what they had, now there is a strong rumour that the party may be disbanded, so people like this lot have no place in our modern world, wherever they are so give it time and things will get better for all of us.

Sorry but I'm not going to brush up on my Turkish language or culture, I'm Cypriot through and through. My avatar is the Union jack but that's only because I have adopted the UK as my home, until we sort things out in Cyprus.

I feel you cannot compare the BNP and the GC fanatics,Alan...
BNP is a marginal movement supported by a small group of working class thugs...GC fanatics can be found amongst the elite in establishments like the Government,Church,Armed forces,businesses,academicians etc...They are in positions of power to influence the less intelligent and less cultured or socially and politically less aware masses....Why,some of them can even become the President of the RoC...

[shahmaran]

Who is going to make up for the 35 years we have lost, and the infinite amount of propaganda to make life as hard as it possibly can be for us, over here?

At least you have the option to live there. You didn't give the option to us, since you forced GCs out of there on gun point.

If you think it is hard to live there then you can always leave, like you forced us to do, but at least for you it is an option and nobody will steal your property if you choose to do so.

Funny how you demand to live without any problems on your ancestral land, but at the same time you don't want to allow to us to do the same. It is due to this that there has been no solution for 36 years. If you didn't insist on the ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots and the artificial creation of some "Turkish state" on land where the GCs have been the vast majority for 1000s of years, then there wouldn't be any Cyprus problem, and both you and the Greek Cypriots would be able to live without any problems on their own lands.

Oh yeah you had to move 100Km down south, that is such a bitch

Hardly comparable to being asked to leave the island is it?

You cannot live in your ancestral homes, because you support the denial of us living in ours.

Sorry the "balance of power" was eventually on our side

You forced us 100Km down south and you can move 100Km up north. Same thing. The only (major) difference is that for you is an option, and nobody will steal your lands while you are away, while the GCs had to run for their lives at gun point and their properties are now stolen.

Sure the balance of power currently (there is not going to be any "eventually" unless we gift our lands to you and stop caring for them) is on your side. But what you don't have on your side is any legal or moral ground to demand some "Turkish State" on land which was inhabited by a vast majority of GCs whom you ethnically cleansed.

Unfortunately for you your power is not enough to legalize such crimes and illegalities and you do have to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Our discussion started about what is "fair". You said that people understand "fair" deferentially. Maybe. But there are also some principles that all modern successful countries follow, such as democracy and human rights. We could follow those principles as well. But if you want more than your fair share because the balance of power currently favors you, then don't expect from us to just sit there and let you gain on our expense. We will fight back, and we can have a negative impact on your life in the same way you have a negative one on ours. Therefore stop crying about the "embargoes" etc, when at the same time you keep our lands under occupation. You wanted to gain with war on our expense, and it is silly from you if you expect that we will do nothing to stop you.

Fuck you!

Do you realize how many TC's had to flee the island?!

What am I supposed to feel sorry for your second home?

You want us to suffer, then you suffer too!

What a wanker you are Piratis...

[Paphitis]

Who is going to make up for the 35 years we have lost, and the infinite amount of propaganda to make life as hard as it possibly can be for us, over here?

At least you have the option to live there. You didn't give the option to us, since you forced GCs out of there on gun point.

If you think it is hard to live there then you can always leave, like you forced us to do, but at least for you it is an option and nobody will steal your property if you choose to do so.

Funny how you demand to live without any problems on your ancestral land, but at the same time you don't want to allow to us to do the same. It is due to this that there has been no solution for 36 years. If you didn't insist on the ethnic cleansing of Greek Cypriots and the artificial creation of some "Turkish state" on land where the GCs have been the vast majority for 1000s of years, then there wouldn't be any Cyprus problem, and both you and the Greek Cypriots would be able to live without any problems on their own lands.

Oh yeah you had to move 100Km down south, that is such a bitch

Hardly comparable to being asked to leave the island is it?

You cannot live in your ancestral homes, because you support the denial of us living in ours.

Sorry the "balance of power" was eventually on our side

You forced us 100Km down south and you can move 100Km up north. Same thing. The only (major) difference is that for you is an option, and nobody will steal your lands while you are away, while the GCs had to run for their lives at gun point and their properties are now stolen.

Sure the balance of power currently (there is not going to be any "eventually" unless we gift our lands to you and stop caring for them) is on your side. But what you don't have on your side is any legal or moral ground to demand some "Turkish State" on land which was inhabited by a vast majority of GCs whom you ethnically cleansed.

Unfortunately for you your power is not enough to legalize such crimes and illegalities and you do have to suffer the consequences of your actions.

Our discussion started about what is "fair". You said that people understand "fair" deferentially. Maybe. But there are also some principles that all modern successful countries follow, such as democracy and human rights. We could follow those principles as well. But if you want more than your fair share because the balance of power currently favors you, then don't expect from us to just sit there and let you gain on our expense. We will fight back, and we can have a negative impact on your life in the same way you have a negative one on ours. Therefore stop crying about the "embargoes" etc, when at the same time you keep our lands under occupation. You wanted to gain with war on our expense, and it is silly from you if you expect that we will do nothing to stop you.

Fuck you!

Do you realize how many TC's had to flee the island?!

What am I supposed to feel sorry for your second home?

You want us to suffer, then you suffer too!

What a wanker you are Piratis...

Throwing the toys out of the pram again!

[shahmaran]

Nah, just reminding my old friend Piratis here how worthless his opinions are.

Wanna join him?

[Paphitis]

Not particularly!

I think you will find that your opinions are also worthless and that they carry about as much weight as Bull Ant!

But when opinion is based on indisputable fact, then that is am entirely different matter all together, but still worthless in the greater scheme of things.

[shahmaran]

Not particularly!

I think you will find that your opinions are also worthless and that they carry about as much weight as Bull Ant!

But when opinion is based on indisputable fact, then that is am entirely different matter all together, but still worthless in the greater scheme of things.

Indisputable fact?

Where may we find those, in any of yours or Piratis's posts?

PS. If you are planning to post his shitty little Youtube video, then just ignore this post...

[Get Real!]

You are right ,Zan...That is why I no longer bother with responding to them most of the time...They see only what the chains and walls of their minds tell them to see...They still don't get it that TMT started as a desperate measure to counter the EOKA movement which was aiming to bring about ENOSIS with Greece...

You got your Taksim didn't you? Good!

Now quit farting and bugger off loser!

Who needs you anyway...

[Paphitis]

Not particularly!

I think you will find that your opinions are also worthless and that they carry about as much weight as Bull Ant!

But when opinion is based on indisputable fact, then that is am entirely different matter all together, but still worthless in the greater scheme of things.

Indisputable fact?

Where may we find those, in any of yours or Piratis's posts?

PS. If you are planning to post his shitty little Youtube video, then just ignore this post...

The truth is clearly outlined within countless UN Resolutions about the Pariah Status of the "trnc" and should give you a very clear vision of exactly where you stand.

Piratis, myself and many others have reminded you of the realities many times, but there is little sense in debating with nationalistic Turks full of hatred against all other Cypriots and who are hell bent in keeping their stolen loot of ethnically cleansed lands from the indigenous.

The indisputable facts are there, and they can never be denied no matter how much you behave like a spoilt little prat and thief! Which is why this forum is not to be taken seriously as a good source of political debate and commentary, since there are many lunatics such as you and many others. Lunatics who tried to tell us that the IDF gunned down 9 people on the MAVI Marmara for the hell of it.

This forum is only for some light relief and laughter at the expense of the many idiots....

You are not too bright.

[shahmaran]

Not particularly!

I think you will find that your opinions are also worthless and that they carry about as much weight as Bull Ant!

But when opinion is based on indisputable fact, then that is am entirely different matter all together, but still worthless in the greater scheme of things.

Indisputable fact?

Where may we find those, in any of yours or Piratis's posts?

PS. If you are planning to post his shitty little Youtube video, then just ignore this post...

The truth is clearly outlined within countless UN Resolutions about the Pariah Status of the "trnc" and should give you a very clear vision of exactly where you stand.

Piratis, myself and many others have reminded you of the realities many times, but there is little sense in debating with nationalistic Turks full of hatred against all other Cypriots and who are hell bent in keeping their stolen loot of ethnically cleansed lands from the indigenous.

The indisputable facts are there, and they can never be denied no matter how much you behave like a spoilt little prat and thief! Which is why this forum is not to be taken seriously as a good source of political debate and commentary, since there are many lunatics such as you and many others. Lunatics who tried to tell us that the IDF gunned down 9 people on the MAVI Marmara for the hell of it.

This forum is only for some light relief and laughter at the expense of the many idiots....

You are not too bright.

You are thicker then I could imagine Paphitis, Piratis at least has some sense of style, you ain't got shit.

I have been living in the same place longer then I can trace back my ancestors, unlike you, Jewish-Greko-bastard, who does not even live here.

The fact that you think I am a thief and that I hate the Cypriot people, regardless off the above, really sets the ground for the amount of idiotic and ignorant shit you constantly spread all over the forum, and probably a lot more to come.

The IDF did not shoot them for the hell of it, they shot them because they could, and get away with it too. They have been doing it for 45 years, there is nothing new about the IDF's uncalled murders. These are the same people who run over news reporters with bulldozers and snipe little kids. Of course they were going to gun down a bunch of poorly armed people who were clearly not taking their illegal ways seriously.

Just the fact that you are an Israel supporter really should be the point where I stop wasting time with such a moron, but what the hell, make my day

So what do you say about all the UN resolution Israel stands in violation of?

Fight for the right to exist, they call it.