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[erolz]

This poll is for GC members.

Do they believe that recognition of the RoC by Turkey as it exists today and with no requirment for a solution should be a red line demand of the RoC as a pre requisit to the EU starting the accesssion process with Turkey

[magikthrill]

im not voting but not that this is not a demand of the RoC. Had it been they would have pushed forward with it durin gthe 17 Dec talks but they did not. In fact, other than the "deeply regrets" speech by the RoC there has been no other mention of the issue by the government of cyprus.

[Piratis]

For starting no.
For successfully ending the negotiations thought not only they need to recognize RoC but they need to remove their troops and allow legality to be applied in all areas of Cyprus.

During the 10-15 years that the negotiations will last they will have to making positive steps. If they don't make this positive steps then the accession process will be interrupted.

[erolz]

For starting no.
For successfully ending the negotiations thought not only they need to recognize RoC but they need to remove their troops and allow legality to be applied in all areas of Cyprus.

During the 10-15 years that the negotiations will last they will have to making positive steps. If they don't make this positive steps then the accession process will be interrupted.

And if Turkey makes positive steps but the RoC continues to demand full recognition and all of the above without itself making any compromises on a Cyprus solution, what then should happen in your opinion?

[Piratis]

And if Turkey makes positive steps but the RoC continues to demand full recognition and all of the above without itself making any compromises on a Cyprus solution, what then should happen in your opinion?

Turkes occupation is illegal. We are not asking for any compromises from Turkey. We are just asking from Turkey to stop the illegalities, and we even accept if she does so in gradual steps and not right away.

[magikthrill]

And if Turkey makes positive steps but the RoC continues to demand full recognition and all of the above without itself making any compromises on a Cyprus solution, what then should happen in your opinion?

dont forget the term "positive" is very subjective erol. you probably think of the A-Plan as a positive step when in fact it was not as it did not satisfy both communities.

[erolz]

Turkes occupation is illegal. We are not asking for any compromises from Turkey. We are just asking from Turkey to stop the illegalities, and we even accept if she does so in gradual steps and not right away.

And not recognising the RoC as it exist today and without any precondtion por requirement is an 'illegal' act by Turkey?

From a TC perspective demanding that Turkey recognises the RoC as it exits today (not as it exited in 1960 agreements) is asking her to condone and legitimise the biggest 'illegality' against the TCr, comitted by the rest of the world (rest of the world = non aligned states + afew others) against all moral and legal imperatives. Namely the recognition by the 'UN' of the purely GC adminstration of the RoC as the sole and legtitmate governbment of all of Cyprus.

The basis of the claims by GC that the RoC as it exits today is 'legal' are based on a _political_ decision made by the UN general assmembly back in 64. In this vote more countries abstained than voted in favour of this resolution. Turkey did not protest because she was lied to and betrayed by members of the security council (UK and USA) who assured here that the resolution was not recognition of the GC only RoC and because she was balckmailed by the deaths of TC that were occuring in Cyuprus at the time.

UN resolutions are not 'international laws'. They can be and are often are a guide to such but they are not in themselves such. If there were a competent court to make a _judicial_ decsion about the 'legality' of a purely GC run RoC as sole legitimate government of all of Cyprus - I can see no way that it could rule it as 'legitimate' (nor can I see any moral basis either for that matter). All there is that suuports the claim that the RoC as it exits today is 'legitimate' is a cynical and shameful (interpretation_ of a UN resolution made on political criteria (not legal or moral) that only passed because of the _political_ support of the GC RoC Political allies in the non alligned states grouping of the UN general assembly.

That is the TC perspective.

[fi]

Well personally I think the ROC is very reasonable and if Turkey takes some steps and shows some goodwill it will back Turkey's EU bid.

[magikthrill]

Well personally I think the ROC is very reasonable and if Turkey takes some steps and shows some goodwill it will back Turkey's EU bid.

i dont think the RoC has a nice heart and will back Turkey's EU bid all the way. they will only do so to the point that it backs their own interests its as simple as that.

I think the smartest thing would be for Turkish Cypriots to gather round and protest and demand their right to be represented in the RoC parliament before Turkey is accepted to the RoC. don't think that will happen though since most TCs are probably hoping that one day they will wake up and their breakway state will be legally recognized and they will no longer be impoverished.

[erolz]

I think the smartest thing would be for Turkish Cypriots to gather round and protest and demand their right to be represented in the RoC parliament

We tried this in 65 btw and were told that we would only be allowed to do so (by GC admin) if we accepted without any neogitation all of Makrios' 'proposed' 13 ammendments to the consitituion.

before Turkey is accepted to the RoC. don't think that will happen though since most TCs are probably hoping that one day they will wake up and their breakway state will be legally recognized and they will no longer be impoverished.

I would say that most TC do not believe that Turkey will just abandon the TC and all the political, financial and human cost that such support has inccured for her to date just to ease her entry into the EU. Most TC (imo) believe that if Turkey is forced into a black and white decsions between abandoning the TC community in Cyprus and failing to gain EU entry she will chose the later (though we still have our fear naturaly).