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[Malapapa]

Easiest way to avoid the commitment to one's country (Cyprus in particular) is to run like a rabbit before you reach the age of service and make your home in a foreign land (where you can avoid conscription by relying on your 'Cypriotness) and, after many years of dodging the issues, return to the country you were so reluctant to offer your service to, spouting about how great life has been living among the people of the nation that destroyed your own.

As a bonus, you COULD assume the position of one who dearly loves Cyprus and become a vociferous advocate of what it's future should be, such a stance would require a certain amount of 'Thick Skin' and an underlying wish that nobody would notice, providing you were LOUD enough in your campaign for capitulation to the aforesaid nation.

Personally, I think a pusillanmous old 'Draft Dodger' should keep his head down a bit, after all, at the very least one's self respect must surely be in peril if the 'Head' (or written protest/opinion/insult) should appear over the political trenches................... tut, tut.

There is being forced to do it and having to just ride it through with minimal damage, and there is actually believing that it will do you good!

2 totally different mindsets!

But here we are dealing with a 3rd mindset............ one which reasons that by running away from the responsibility of serving one's country and taking refuge in the land which was instrumental in destroying one's own homeland, is an acceptable route for a young man to follow.

You're talking shit. We're talking about third generation, to all intents and purposes foreign nationals, with perhaps one or more Cypriot-born grand-parents, being harrassed at the airport. At a time when Cyprus needs all the international friends it can get, any affinity such youngsters feel towards the island should be cherished and nurtured. And only a peasant would fail to see that.

[alex_ruffneck]

You're talking shit. We're talking about third generation, to all intents and purposes foreign nationals, with perhaps one or more Cypriot-born grand-parents, being harrassed at the airport. At a time when Cyprus needs all the international friends it can get, any affinity such youngster feel towards the island should be cherished and nurtured. And only a peasant would fail to see that.

I agree, someone who has lived out of the island all his life, and just so happens to be of cypriot descent shouldn't really feel obliged to serve here, and he certainly shouldn't be "harassed" at the airport. But i feel i must mention i was in the same situation, and all through growing up, whilst visiting the island on holidays (often twice or more a year), flying to paphos and larnaca, i NEVER experienced this, which makes me think it's more of an isolated case than the norm.

[shahmaran]

Bloodline nationalism my friend.

Hitler thought it was a good idea too

[Malapapa]

You're talking shit. We're talking about third generation, to all intents and purposes foreign nationals, with perhaps one or more Cypriot-born grand-parents, being harrassed at the airport. At a time when Cyprus needs all the international friends it can get, any affinity such youngster feel towards the island should be cherished and nurtured. And only a peasant would fail to see that.

I agree, someone who has lived out of the island all his life, and just so happens to be of cypriot descent shouldn't really feel obliged to serve here, and he certainly shouldn't be "harassed" at the airport. But i feel i must mention i was in the same situation, and all through growing up, whilst visiting the island on holidays (often twice or more a year), flying to paphos and larnaca, i NEVER experienced this, which makes me think it's more of an isolated case than the norm.

I challenged the Cypriot High Commission here in the UK to define what was meant by 'Greek Cypriot' to see whether or not one would need an 'Αδια εξοδου' (exit visa) when visiting Cyprus. They still haven't been able to respond. It's bollocks.

[alex_ruffneck]

I challenged the Cypriot High Commission here in the UK to define what was meant by 'Greek Cypriot' to see whether or not one would need an 'Αδια εχοδου' (exit visa) when visiting Cyprus. They still haven't been able to respond. It's bollocks.

As i understand it, anyone who has a father of cypriot descent and is over the age of 16, requires an exit visa.
When i went to the army office to aquire one for the first time, my dad said "he's english, he's lived in england all his life and has an english passport!" to which they replied "are you cypriot? well he is too"

[shahmaran]

It's either that, or all the siblings of the Turkish immigrants who had children with TC women, will be granted citizenship.

Currently they are denied RoC citizenship!

You do the maths boys

[Malapapa]

I challenged the Cypriot High Commission here in the UK to define what was meant by 'Greek Cypriot' to see whether or not one would need an 'Αδια εξοδου' (exit visa) when visiting Cyprus. They still haven't been able to respond. It's bollocks.

As i understand it, anyone who has a father of cypriot descent and is over the age of 16, requires an exit visa.
When i went to the army office to aquire one for the first time, my dad said "he's english, he's lived in england all his life and has an english passport!" to which they replied "are you cypriot? well he is too"

But what if your dad was called Smith, was only three quarters-Cypriot, with one English grand father. Would that still make him Cypriot? Would that still make you Cypriot? And how would they even know, if your passports both said Smith on it?

[alex_ruffneck]

But what if your dad was called Smith, was only three quarters-Cypriot, with one English grand father. Would that still make him Cypriot? Would that still make you Cypriot? And how would they even know, if your passports both said Smith on it?

It's a male thing... if only your mother is cypriot, you don't have to do national service.

So, if your example's mother parents were both cypriot, but his father had an english father (hence the name smith) he wouldn't have to do it. But if it was the other way around, and his dad had a cypriot dad, he would have to.
COnfusing, i know, but i think that's how it works

[Malapapa]

But what if your dad was called Smith, was only three quarters-Cypriot, with one English grand father. Would that still make him Cypriot? Would that still make you Cypriot? And how would they even know, if your passports both said Smith on it?

It's a male thing... if only your mother is cypriot, you don't have to do national service.

So, if your example's mother parents were both cypriot, but his father had an english father (hence the name smith) he wouldn't have to do it. But if it was the other way around, and his dad had a cypriot dad, he would have to.
COnfusing, i know, but i think that's how it works

Well that's discriminatory. And what if your father was entirely Cypriot but had changed his surname, or had a surname that wasn't recogniseably Cypriot? Or was Armenian, Latin or Maronite, with a surname tha wasn't recogniseably 'Greek Cypriot'? We can see now, that this whole thing is nonsensical. And, in any event, as perhaps the majority of Cypriots emigrated to the UK in the 1950s, we are talking about third and even fourth generations now.

[alex_ruffneck]

Well that's discriminatory.

I agree

And what if your father was entirely Cypriot but had changed his surname, or had a surname that wasn't recogniseably Cypriot?

Then you might get away with not doing it, although i suppose if the airport man looks at you and think, hey you look like a thoroughbred cypriot (), he could theoretically start asking questions, and i guess if he really wanted to, request to see documents proving who you are and where you descended from (this is all speculation).

We can see now, that this whole thing is nonsensical.

These rules are, yeah, pretty much