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[paliometoxo]

So Mala what do you think is it a valid point and concern that GCs still despise TCs and treat them like shit?

your trying to turn it into a gc hate tc thing. i had the exact same treatment at the airport with my Cypriot ID card. when seconds ago he was laughing and talking with the guy in front. so it was not a gc hate tc thing it was a weird police man. except when he did it to me i did not care. but its easy to see how they would think its a gc hating a tc.

[zan]

Get yourself an alsation if you can't afford a bodyguard. That'll make you feel safe. And how about CCTV and an alarm? These things are effective deterrents and needn't be expensive. And with Turkey's army gone, Cypriots will resent you far less so you'll be less of a target anyway. It all makes perfect sense... only... shit, Turkey's army ain't going nowhere. Whether VP wants them gone or not.

You under estimate Tcs, you fail to provide valid reasons for us to push for them to leave...

You see, I simply don't believe you have any power to push them to leave; even if TCs wanted to, which I believe many of not most do.

in fact your sarcasm and flippant attitude reinforces their importance.

That you take appropriate security measures to counter a perceived threat is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Hell, you could even try for a government subsidy if your paranoia is so severe. Why this suggestion makes you want you to cling on to a massive foreign army even more is an indication of the level of your paranoia. Perhaps it's also an indication of your helplessness; knowing full well, as you surely do, that there's nothing TCs can do to remove the invader from our shores.

What do you put your fear of the Turkish army down to?

[Malapapa]

Get yourself an alsation if you can't afford a bodyguard. That'll make you feel safe. And how about CCTV and an alarm? These things are effective deterrents and needn't be expensive. And with Turkey's army gone, Cypriots will resent you far less so you'll be less of a target anyway. It all makes perfect sense... only... shit, Turkey's army ain't going nowhere. Whether VP wants them gone or not.

You under estimate Tcs, you fail to provide valid reasons for us to push for them to leave...

You see, I simply don't believe you have any power to push them to leave; even if TCs wanted to, which I believe many of not most do.

in fact your sarcasm and flippant attitude reinforces their importance.

That you take appropriate security measures to counter a perceived threat is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Hell, you could even try for a government subsidy if your paranoia is so severe. Why this suggestion makes you want you to cling on to a massive foreign army even more is an indication of the level of your paranoia. Perhaps it's also an indication of your helplessness; knowing full well, as you surely do, that there's nothing TCs can do to remove the invader from our shores.

What do you put your fear of the Turkish army down to?

They're from a foreign, aggressive, lunatic country where they drink to honour rather than health/life, they have guns, and they're in Cyprus against the wishes of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

[zan]

Get yourself an alsation if you can't afford a bodyguard. That'll make you feel safe. And how about CCTV and an alarm? These things are effective deterrents and needn't be expensive. And with Turkey's army gone, Cypriots will resent you far less so you'll be less of a target anyway. It all makes perfect sense... only... shit, Turkey's army ain't going nowhere. Whether VP wants them gone or not.

You under estimate Tcs, you fail to provide valid reasons for us to push for them to leave...

You see, I simply don't believe you have any power to push them to leave; even if TCs wanted to, which I believe many of not most do.

in fact your sarcasm and flippant attitude reinforces their importance.

That you take appropriate security measures to counter a perceived threat is a perfectly reasonable suggestion. Hell, you could even try for a government subsidy if your paranoia is so severe. Why this suggestion makes you want you to cling on to a massive foreign army even more is an indication of the level of your paranoia. Perhaps it's also an indication of your helplessness; knowing full well, as you surely do, that there's nothing TCs can do to remove the invader from our shores.

What do you put your fear of the Turkish army down to?

They're from a foreign, aggressive, lunatic country where they drink to honour rather than health/life, they have guns, and they're in Cyprus against the wishes of the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

Which gives you the paranoia to justify sanctions and hardship for the TC people in order to do what Help them get the Turkish army out? No! That doesn't make sense. To try and force the TCs to give into your pressure...Now that sounds more like it....So where is the paranoia and the incentive for us to even contemplate asking them to leave

[Oracle]

What do you put your fear of the Turkish army down to?

Amongst other things ...



Source: The Sun
Date: 05 August 1974
Author: Iain Walker
Title: BARBARIANS
Sun reporter Iain Walker sends a shock report from Cyprus on the Turkish invaders

BARBARIANS
NICOSIA , SUNDAY

'My fiance and six men were shot dead. The Turkish soldiers laughed at me and then I was raped.
GREEK CYPRIOT GIRL AGED 20

'The Turkish soldiers cut off my father's hands and legs. Then they shot him while I watched.
GREEK CYPRIOT WOMAN AGED 32

'They shot the men. My friend's wife said 'Why should I live without my husband?' A soldier shot her in the head.
GREEK CYPRIOT FARMER AGED 51

A HORRIFYING story of atrocities by the Turkish invaders of Cyprus emerged today. It was told by weeping Greek Cypriot villagers rescued by United Nations soldiers.

THEY TOLD of barbaric rape at gunpoint ... and threats of instant execution if they struggled.
THEY TOLD of watching their loved ones tortured and shot.

The villagers are from Trimithi, Karmi and Ayios Georhios, three farming communities west of the holiday town of Kyrenia , directly in the path of the Turkish Army.

Sheltered
They had been trapped since the fighting began two weeks ago and were only evacuated to Nicosia by the UN on Saturday. And today at a Nicosia orphanage they told me their tales – simply and without any prompting.

A 20-year old girl in a pretty yellow and white dress sat under a painting of Jesus tending his flock as she described how she was raped.

She had been visiting her fiance who worked in a hotel near Kyrenia when the Turks attacked. For the first 24 hours she sheltered with other villagers in a stable until they were discovered by Turkish soldiers. She then watched as her fiance and six other men were shot dead in cold blood – only a few minutes after they had been promised that they would not be harmed.

She said: ''After the shooting, a Turkish soldier grabbed me and pulled me into a ditch. I struggled and tried to escape but he pushed me to the ground.

''He tore at my clothes and they were ripped up to my waist. Then he started undressing himself.

Baby
"Another Turkish soldier who was watching us had a nine-month-old baby in his arms and, trying to save myself, I shouted that the baby was mine.

''But they laughed at me and threw the baby to the ground. I was then raped and I fainted soon after.

''When I came to my senses I saw 15 other soldiers standing round watching. The first soldier was taking off my watch and engagement ring. Others were going to rape me - when one of them objected and told them not to be animals.

''I will never forget him for saving me. He was quite unlike the rest - more like an Englishman with blond hair and blue eyes. He spoke to me in English.

''He helped me to my feet and said, 'All is OK now.'

''The others tried to stop him, but he pulled out his gun and pushed his way through and gave me back to the other women.

''When I had recovered, after a few hours, I went to where the bushes had been burned by the shelling and rubbed charcoal over my face and hands, so I would be ugly and they would not do that to me again.''

The girl, too ashamed to reveal her name, added: ''I cannot put into words the horror I feel at what happened to me. I think I would have preferred it it they had shot me.''

Mrs Elena Mateidou, aged 28 was awakened by Turkish soldiers at Trimithi.

She said: ''My husband and father were told to take off all their clothes and they walked us down a dry river bed.

''Then the soldiers separated the women and children and ushered us behind some olive trees. I heard a burst of shooting and knew that they had been killed.

''Later they took us back to the village with our hands tied behind our backs. Two soldiers took me into a room in a deserted house where they raped me.

Bodies
"One of them held a gun to my head while it was happening and said if I struggled he would shoot.

''Afterwards, a soldier took off my wedding ring and wore it himself.''

Mrs Mateidou added: ''I saw another woman being pulled into a bathroom where she too was raped.

''Later I went back to the olive groves and found the bodies of my husband and father along with five other men. My father had been stabbed and my husband shot in the belly.''

Later, United Nations soldiers brought the villagers food. ''The Turks took it away and ate it themselves said Mrs Mateidou.

Another woman who had been an intended rape victim was Miss Phrosa Meitani, aged 32.

She said: ''When I saw what was happening, I ran as quickly as I could. I saw the soldiers pointing guns at me, but I was too frightened to care.

''I hid in the olive groves and tried to get back to where I had been separated from my father.

''I watched from the bushes as they cut off his hands and legs below the knee with a double-edged cutting knife.

''At first he screamed, and beat at them with his fists, but then he became quiet and did not utter a word. Then they shot him in the stomach while I watched.

Farmer Christos Savva Drakos, 51, saw his wife and two sons murdered.

''I was watering my orchard when the bombs started to explode,'' he said.

Shooting
''With the rest of the village we tried to run away through the groves and river beds but the Turks caught us and we surrendered.

''They searched us but no one had a gun.

''The the shooting started. It was one by one to start with and I heard my 16-year-old boy Georgios saying in a calm voice 'Daddy, they have shot me.'

''I pulled him down and we fell behind a rock, He died there in my arms. ''An officer had been attracted by the shooting and he ran up to see what was going on.

''He was furious with his men and ordered them to stop.

''My wife and my other boy Nicos, who was only 13, were dead.

''My friend's wife was terribly badly injured and she told the officer: 'Why should I live without my husband? Shoot me'.

''The officer shrugged his shoulders and walked off and a soldier shot her in the head.''

Face
If the Turkish authorities deny these allegations I will remember the drawn face of that old man cowering in a corner, his body racked with tears.

This elderly man was no actor, or a man ordered to lie for political propaganda.

He was a poor man who had lost everything he ever possessed or loved in the world.

Hotel manager Vassalious Efthimiou was the only survivor in a party of men seized by the Turks.

He said: ''They separated the men from the women and shot the 12 men.

''Those killed ranged from a 12-year-old boy to an old man in his 90's.''

His brother-in-law was shot dead while holding Efthimiou's four year-old daughter, Estella, in his arms.

Bullet
Today, Estella showed where a bullet had hit her thigh.

Efthimiou saved his own life by snatching his other daughter, Charian, aged two, and running.

He said:''I ran until my legs would carry me no longer, and I fell.

''I managed to make my way back later to a village where all the women were trembling with fear and shock.

''I handed my daughter to my wife and said I must save myself.

''I hid in a deep well in my sister's farm for seven days and nights, sitting on a little bar with my feet in the water.

''When I could not take any more I came up.''

Efthimiou and his 37-year-old wife, Helen, run the Mermaid Hotel at Six Mile Beach , Kyrenia, a popular hotel with British tourists.

PRESIDENT Glafkkos Clerides of Cyprus flew into Athens today and accused Turkish troops of mass murders and rape.

Denial
He also claimed about 20,000 Greeks had been forced out of their homes around Kyrenia.

THE TURKS issued a denial.

A spokesman said: ''The Turkish military authorities deny reports of killings and any other atrocities by Turkish troops in any area under Turkish occupation.''

THE SUN SAYS Shame on them

AS THE POLITICIANS vie to take credit for bringing a ''ceasefire'' to Cyprus , reports of appalling atrocities are filtering through from that tragic island. For, while the peace talks went on, Turkish soldiers were killing and terrorising innocent civilians. The behaviour of these troops will shock the world. As they are in Cyprus in the name of Turkey , that nation must immediately take action against the animals that wear its uniform...''

[zan]

You are paranoid Oracle...That happened a long time ago.....Like 1963 to 1974

[zan]

Where have you gone malapapa You are either writing me a really long answer to explain your thinking or only just started to think it through

[Get Real!]

Which gives you the paranoia to justify sanctions and hardship for the TC people

I could’ve sworn your people wanted partition since the 40s!

Nobody ever said partition AND prosperity did they?

It looks like a case of gross miscalculation from your end as per usual…

[zan]

Which gives you the paranoia to justify sanctions and hardship for the TC people

I could’ve sworn your people wanted partition since the 40s!

Nobody ever said partition AND prosperity did they?

It looks like a case of gross miscalculation from your end as per usual…

In the face of adversity, I think we have done quite well..More to come soon.