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[insan]

Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..

Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

You live in a fantasy world.. Turkey had planned what happened from the 50s.. go read statements made from then.. they said clearly that even if there wasn't a single TC in Cyprus, they would still have found an excuse to do what they did..

What's wrong with what Turkey had planned while you were collaborating with Greece to annex your beloved Cypriot island to her? Aren't you Cypriots? What was the interests of Greeks in Cyprus while there was not a single Greek in Cyprus?

Tell me just a single rational reason, why should TCs embrace your Enosis movement and Turks shouldn't feel uneasy about it? You say we started the intercommunal fights by killing some GCs and provoking you.. Let's say this is true... what if you started first... you still have claimed that it was justified because TCs were trying to prevent your "democratic" right to annex Cyprus to Greece or not let you to be the sole rulers of Cyprus...

Why did/do Hittites, Phoenecians, Persians, Egyptians, Byzantians, Greeks, Brits, Americans, Russians, EU, Arabs and even China have interests in Cyprus? Why did they one way or other took control of Cyprus or remotely influenced the leaderships/administrations of Cyprus throughout the Millenias?

So why shouldn't Turks have interests in Cyprus weather there were TCs in Cyprus or not... in fact, in 1560s there was no Ottoman Turks in Cyprus but Turkish interests in Cyprus emerged as a natural historical development under then the circumstances as a consequence of the conflict between Venetians and Ottomans...

Today, there is still a kind of conflict among the world powers both in our region and all around the world... and they still have various interests in Cyprus even though most of them have no people of their ethnic origin in Cyprus...

As long as all concerned parties do not have common interests on common issues; this conflict will always prevail and lead the death and sufferings of more people...

This is the essential of the problem...

[denizaksulu]

are you going to cyprus this year deniz?:)

Early 2011. Inshallah

[EPSILON]

Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..

We are still paying for it, so should you!

The GC police force spent decades going around terrorizing innocent people, Greece was over to help. Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

The Serbs spent years murdering Muslims at the heart of the EU, did anyone care? Nope.

EU is not a "force" it's just a union of the rich who have the same taste in wine and want to enjoy it for cheap. They will probably continue enjoying it while you get killed and then they will talk about it...

I fully agree with you- You must protect your side - the bill is still open.

As much as you are trying to protect your illness fears so the outstanding account increased. Live in fear and stuck on your misery state and life.

We don't live in fear, but we don't want to have to trust you either.

After all, as much as you claim to be the "pillar of civilization", when shit starts falling, you have shown that you too can easily become another savage scum

Who told you to trust us? Do not make this mistake again- do not destroy our life again. Leave the Anatolians to destroy only yours from now onward.

How can I live with people I do not trust?

Plus I always took you as a Greek person not a Cypriot, why are you including yourself to a country you are not from, where you have also worked hand in hand with the so called "Anatolians" in destroying lives?

I am not Greek because they told me to be, netheir because Ottomans or others brought me in Cyprus by fishing boats in 14th century. Neither because I am a Greek citizen. I am Greek because i born as such. This is something which i assume you have a difficulty to understand. Saying simply i am a Cypriot this for me means nothing else that i am a victim of British 60's constitution.Means that i am of no Ethnicity (a bastard of the World's communities) This i can not accept, even some of my co patriots hv been convested to do so.


I remind you my friend that Greeks are not creared in 24hrs by the help of Kurds and other Anatolians with the great help (finally) of the known allies in 1922. This is a big difference to feel and say that you are Greek and to be a Turk. Turk based on what? Several hundreds of Anatolians families (the most famous this of Osman) under the panishment,genosides, of the famous Attaturk decided to name themselves Turks. This just 100 hundred year ago!!!This for me is not an Ethnicity is just a result of policies and can not create certain culture in so short time. Take the actual life/culture in Turkey- Compare population in West Turkey (excluding newcomers from Anatolia-these you should fear more than the G/cs) and the rest of the country.

Based on your assumption, it is fair to say that there is no such a thing as Australian, American nor New Zelander etc.

There is only UK.

But the one can also say "oh but the Anglo Saxons..." then what do you say?

Greeks are probably the only people on Earth who still so vigorously claim to be a "nation state" even after we ruled you for 500 years, it is absolutely ridiculous! You are nothing as a nation, other nations decide what you are!

Nation states are over my friend!

Your knowledge of the Turks seem to be limited to the Greek clique that pretty much starts and ends at "the savages that came from Mongolia".

No peoples history is that simple.

We go back thousands of years, we haven't just landed to Earth 100 years a go, but I can see why that is hard for you to understand if you think the Greeks have created the world. Turks are nation builders, meaning they have NOT created that country by sucking up to the Imperialists, as did some self-righteous idiots who think they are the most important people to walk on Earth!

I hate it when Greeks put so much importance on themselves just for being Greek, but I am probably talking to a god dam gyro shop owner.

You hv clearly missundertood what i wrote.I never deny the right of people to call themselves Turks or anything else they wish- what i was trying to explain is that is no need for someone to be citizen of Greece in order to call himselve as Greek-thats all-nothing more.

[EPSILON]

Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..

Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

You live in a fantasy world.. Turkey had planned what happened from the 50s.. go read statements made from then.. they said clearly that even if there wasn't a single TC in Cyprus, they would still have found an excuse to do what they did.. they used you but you don't even realise.. why did they kill TCs who wouldnt follow TMT? why did TMT plug bombs against TCs and then blame GCs to start fighting? Which was the FIRST intercommunal killing? Give me JUST ONE example of a TC being killed before you slaughtered the 8 GCs in Kondemenos..

After you started the flighting there were a few hundred TCs AND not a much lower number of GCs killed between 63 and 74 (not "decades" as you said!!).. nowhere near the several thousands killed by your mama's army in 74..

And you say you are "paying"!! You killed, raped, stole 37% of our country.. if you don't "trust" us or the EU and prefer to "live alone" I don't give a shit.. but if this what you want then you need to hand back 25% of Cyprus.. because what you OWN is 12% and not an inch more.. Until you either return to legality (the 1960 RoC) or at least return the 25% that you stole, you will be our enemy.

Calm down Tony, I never said "killed" I said "terrorized" read again and read it slowly so you comprehend.

We do not own you shit, you wanted to drag the entire island to Greece, that is why Turkey came, you fucked it for all of us and you also pay by loosing!

That is fair no?

Ottomans gave you everything you have now, and in return you pay by treating the TC's as second class citizens. So you pay.

Ottomans gave us??? !!!yes of course 400years of darkness - not only to us but in all Balkans-darkness and bridges-nothing more.The area is still undevelloped in many aspects for this simple reason-Ottomans.The creators of nothing.
When rest Europe was creating civilization , improving what they found -i think this is painfull- from us - we had just the darkeness of your stupid ancestors state.

[EPSILON]

Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..

Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

You live in a fantasy world.. Turkey had planned what happened from the 50s.. go read statements made from then.. they said clearly that even if there wasn't a single TC in Cyprus, they would still have found an excuse to do what they did..

What's wrong with what Turkey had planned while you were collaborating with Greece to annex your beloved Cypriot island to her? Aren't you Cypriots? What was the interests of Greeks in Cyprus while there was not a single Greek in Cyprus?

Tell me just a single rational reason, why should TCs embrace your Enosis movement and Turks shouldn't feel uneasy about it? You say we started the intercommunal fights by killing some GCs and provoking you.. Let's say this is true... what if you started first... you still have claimed that it was justified because TCs were trying to prevent your "democratic" right to annex Cyprus to Greece or not let you to be the sole rulers of Cyprus...

Why did/do Hittites, Phoenecians, Persians, Egyptians, Byzantians, Greeks, Brits, Americans, Russians, EU, Arabs and even China have interests in Cyprus? Why did they one way or other took control of Cyprus or remotely influenced the leaderships/administrations of Cyprus throughout the Millenias?

So why shouldn't Turks have interests in Cyprus weather there were TCs in Cyprus or not... in fact, in 1560s there was no Ottoman Turks in Cyprus but Turkish interests in Cyprus emerged as a natural historical development under then the circumstances as a consequence of the conflict between Venetians and Ottomans...

Today, there is still a kind of conflict among the world powers both in our region and all around the world... and they still have various interests in Cyprus even though most of them have no people of their ethnic origin in Cyprus...

As long as all concerned parties do not have common interests on common issues; this conflict will always prevail and lead the death and sufferings of more people...

This is the essential of the problem...

INSAN-We do not want to give Cyprus to Greece or to anybody else-we want just to give it to its GREEKS citizens.-Difficult to understand? I know your culture can not accommodate such a statement.After 2500 years may be you will be in position to understand what i am saying

[shahmaran]

Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..

Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

You live in a fantasy world.. Turkey had planned what happened from the 50s.. go read statements made from then.. they said clearly that even if there wasn't a single TC in Cyprus, they would still have found an excuse to do what they did.. they used you but you don't even realise.. why did they kill TCs who wouldnt follow TMT? why did TMT plug bombs against TCs and then blame GCs to start fighting? Which was the FIRST intercommunal killing? Give me JUST ONE example of a TC being killed before you slaughtered the 8 GCs in Kondemenos..

After you started the flighting there were a few hundred TCs AND not a much lower number of GCs killed between 63 and 74 (not "decades" as you said!!).. nowhere near the several thousands killed by your mama's army in 74..

And you say you are "paying"!! You killed, raped, stole 37% of our country.. if you don't "trust" us or the EU and prefer to "live alone" I don't give a shit.. but if this what you want then you need to hand back 25% of Cyprus.. because what you OWN is 12% and not an inch more.. Until you either return to legality (the 1960 RoC) or at least return the 25% that you stole, you will be our enemy.

Calm down Tony, I never said "killed" I said "terrorized" read again and read it slowly so you comprehend.

We do not own you shit, you wanted to drag the entire island to Greece, that is why Turkey came, you fucked it for all of us and you also pay by loosing!

That is fair no?

Ottomans gave you everything you have now, and in return you pay by treating the TC's as second class citizens. So you pay.

Ottomans gave us??? !!!yes of course 400years of darkness - not only to us but in all Balkans-darkness and bridges-nothing more.The area is still undevelloped in many aspects for this simple reason-Ottomans.The creators of nothing.
When rest Europe was creating civilization , improving what they found -i think this is painfull- from us - we had just the darkeness of your stupid ancestors state.

Yeah "400 years of darkness" as opposed to what? Venetian darkness? Or Persian?

We gave you right to rule, never mind the intellectual effect of another culture, you were serfs, no rights, nothing, we gave you right to rule yourself! It is most important thing you can get, what more would you have wanted!?

You look at history from very racist and bias eyes Epsilon.

Stop thinking like a Greek, think like a human being!!

[Bananiot]

Tony

Which was the FIRST intercommunal killing? Give me JUST ONE example of a TC being killed before you slaughtered the 8 GCs in Kondemenos..

Tony, these are known facts and have been published in many books. For example, on 23 April 1956, EOKA shot and killed Turkish Cypriot policeman Nihat Pasi in Nicosia. On 23 May 1956, EOKA killed Lisani Ahmet, in Polis. These killings, along with a third one, produced mass reaction by TC youths all over Cyprus, resulting in the burning of many GC businesses. There is no doubt that Turkish Cypriots were preparing for some sort of a showdown and probably it was no accident that at this time the leadership of TMT went to a Turkish Colonel named Hasan Taksin Ogerlat.

[shahmaran]

Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..

We are still paying for it, so should you!

The GC police force spent decades going around terrorizing innocent people, Greece was over to help. Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

The Serbs spent years murdering Muslims at the heart of the EU, did anyone care? Nope.

EU is not a "force" it's just a union of the rich who have the same taste in wine and want to enjoy it for cheap. They will probably continue enjoying it while you get killed and then they will talk about it...

I fully agree with you- You must protect your side - the bill is still open.

As much as you are trying to protect your illness fears so the outstanding account increased. Live in fear and stuck on your misery state and life.

We don't live in fear, but we don't want to have to trust you either.

After all, as much as you claim to be the "pillar of civilization", when shit starts falling, you have shown that you too can easily become another savage scum

Who told you to trust us? Do not make this mistake again- do not destroy our life again. Leave the Anatolians to destroy only yours from now onward.

How can I live with people I do not trust?

Plus I always took you as a Greek person not a Cypriot, why are you including yourself to a country you are not from, where you have also worked hand in hand with the so called "Anatolians" in destroying lives?

I am not Greek because they told me to be, netheir because Ottomans or others brought me in Cyprus by fishing boats in 14th century. Neither because I am a Greek citizen. I am Greek because i born as such. This is something which i assume you have a difficulty to understand. Saying simply i am a Cypriot this for me means nothing else that i am a victim of British 60's constitution.Means that i am of no Ethnicity (a bastard of the World's communities) This i can not accept, even some of my co patriots hv been convested to do so.


I remind you my friend that Greeks are not creared in 24hrs by the help of Kurds and other Anatolians with the great help (finally) of the known allies in 1922. This is a big difference to feel and say that you are Greek and to be a Turk. Turk based on what? Several hundreds of Anatolians families (the most famous this of Osman) under the panishment,genosides, of the famous Attaturk decided to name themselves Turks. This just 100 hundred year ago!!!This for me is not an Ethnicity is just a result of policies and can not create certain culture in so short time. Take the actual life/culture in Turkey- Compare population in West Turkey (excluding newcomers from Anatolia-these you should fear more than the G/cs) and the rest of the country.

Based on your assumption, it is fair to say that there is no such a thing as Australian, American nor New Zelander etc.

There is only UK.

But the one can also say "oh but the Anglo Saxons..." then what do you say?

Greeks are probably the only people on Earth who still so vigorously claim to be a "nation state" even after we ruled you for 500 years, it is absolutely ridiculous! You are nothing as a nation, other nations decide what you are!

Nation states are over my friend!

Your knowledge of the Turks seem to be limited to the Greek clique that pretty much starts and ends at "the savages that came from Mongolia".

No peoples history is that simple.

We go back thousands of years, we haven't just landed to Earth 100 years a go, but I can see why that is hard for you to understand if you think the Greeks have created the world. Turks are nation builders, meaning they have NOT created that country by sucking up to the Imperialists, as did some self-righteous idiots who think they are the most important people to walk on Earth!

I hate it when Greeks put so much importance on themselves just for being Greek, but I am probably talking to a god dam gyro shop owner.

You hv clearly missundertood what i wrote.I never deny the right of people to call themselves Turks or anything else they wish- what i was trying to explain is that is no need for someone to be citizen of Greece in order to call himselve as Greek-thats all-nothing more.

I know what you said, and its not what you said is how you said, that deserved that response.

What makes you Greek, if not language and nationality?

[AlanwithoneL]

If thats how this all works then shouldn't all the psychiatric wards in hospitals be full of TCs? After all what we suffered between 63 and 74 should have all driven us insane.

The "TRNC" is a psychiatric ward... it thinks it's a state!

Get help Get Real, I'm saying this with the best of intentions.

All the psychiatrists came up with the same conclusion…

“You need your day on the battlefield!”

So when do the spineless "Turkish Cypriots" plan to come out and play instead of hiding behind mommy Turkey?

How childish can you get? How old are you? 13 tops 14?

[Malapapa]

Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..

We are still paying for it, so should you!

The GC police force spent decades going around terrorizing innocent people, Greece was over to help. Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

The Serbs spent years murdering Muslims at the heart of the EU, did anyone care? Nope.

EU is not a "force" it's just a union of the rich who have the same taste in wine and want to enjoy it for cheap. They will probably continue enjoying it while you get killed and then they will talk about it...

I fully agree with you- You must protect your side - the bill is still open.

As much as you are trying to protect your illness fears so the outstanding account increased. Live in fear and stuck on your misery state and life.

We don't live in fear, but we don't want to have to trust you either.

After all, as much as you claim to be the "pillar of civilization", when shit starts falling, you have shown that you too can easily become another savage scum

Who told you to trust us? Do not make this mistake again- do not destroy our life again. Leave the Anatolians to destroy only yours from now onward.

How can I live with people I do not trust?

Plus I always took you as a Greek person not a Cypriot, why are you including yourself to a country you are not from, where you have also worked hand in hand with the so called "Anatolians" in destroying lives?

I am not Greek because they told me to be, netheir because Ottomans or others brought me in Cyprus by fishing boats in 14th century. Neither because I am a Greek citizen. I am Greek because i born as such. This is something which i assume you have a difficulty to understand. Saying simply i am a Cypriot this for me means nothing else that i am a victim of British 60's constitution.Means that i am of no Ethnicity (a bastard of the World's communities) This i can not accept, even some of my co patriots hv been convested to do so.


I remind you my friend that Greeks are not creared in 24hrs by the help of Kurds and other Anatolians with the great help (finally) of the known allies in 1922. This is a big difference to feel and say that you are Greek and to be a Turk. Turk based on what? Several hundreds of Anatolians families (the most famous this of Osman) under the panishment,genosides, of the famous Attaturk decided to name themselves Turks. This just 100 hundred year ago!!!This for me is not an Ethnicity is just a result of policies and can not create certain culture in so short time. Take the actual life/culture in Turkey- Compare population in West Turkey (excluding newcomers from Anatolia-these you should fear more than the G/cs) and the rest of the country.

Based on your assumption, it is fair to say that there is no such a thing as Australian, American nor New Zelander etc.

There is only UK.

But the one can also say "oh but the Anglo Saxons..." then what do you say?

Greeks are probably the only people on Earth who still so vigorously claim to be a "nation state" even after we ruled you for 500 years, it is absolutely ridiculous! You are nothing as a nation, other nations decide what you are!

Nation states are over my friend!

Your knowledge of the Turks seem to be limited to the Greek clique that pretty much starts and ends at "the savages that came from Mongolia".

No peoples history is that simple.

We go back thousands of years, we haven't just landed to Earth 100 years a go, but I can see why that is hard for you to understand if you think the Greeks have created the world. Turks are nation builders, meaning they have NOT created that country by sucking up to the Imperialists, as did some self-righteous idiots who think they are the most important people to walk on Earth!

I hate it when Greeks put so much importance on themselves just for being Greek, but I am probably talking to a god dam gyro shop owner.

You hv clearly missundertood what i wrote.I never deny the right of people to call themselves Turks or anything else they wish- what i was trying to explain is that is no need for someone to be citizen of Greece in order to call himselve as Greek-thats all-nothing more.

I know what you said, and its not what you said is how you said, that deserved that response.

What makes you Greek, if not language and nationality?

In Epsilon's case, mental deficiency. What makes an indigenous Cypriot like you such a Turk?