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Postby Tony-4497 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:31 am

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There has been serious debate within the RoC on this point and it was a borderline decision not to arrest EU citizens, mainly because some of them could have visited the occupied areas in the past due to lack of understanding of the circumstances.


Can you arrest EU citizens and what do you think the EU would do?

So in order not to punish those, the rest of them - i.e. the scum of the earth that consciously opts to fly to a so-called airport (ILLEGAL for every country in the world except criminal Turkey, not to mention built on stolen land) and support the brutal military occupation regime - got away too.


You cannot arrest them, you tried but soon were forced to comply with EU laws.

So the TA is here to protect you is it? Even though this is 2010 and Cyprus is EU-land.


Even more than ever have read what people like GR want to do?

Are you sure that it's not here to ensure that the looting, theft and crimes against GCs continue? If not, then why does it not occupy 12% of land, which is what TCs own or at most 18% which is your population?? What is the justification for occupying 37% of land and 60% plus of coast??


Do you know why in every round of negotiations your leaders accept a % of around 28% if you then you will know why we warrant such a percentage.

The only reason I can think of is that iit's because you are a race of dirty little thieves and criminals.. who want to keep the spoils of war at the expense of your compatriots - with whom you supposedly want to live in "peace".


What have you got to say about what the GCs did the TCs during the 1960s? where were you then to comment like you have done above?

There will be no peace until you return what you have stolen.


So when will you restore what you have stolen from us?


1. Yes, the law of the RoC and any EU country states that people should be arrested and face trial if they enter the country through an illegal point of entry. Are you really not aware of this? There is absolutely nothing that the EU could do to stop the RoC from doing this if it so wished, hence the internal debate I mentioned. The policy not to arrest is the RoC's choice, which is based on the rationale explained above plus the commercial/ tourism impact. The RoC could change this at any time.

2. Re 28%: This was discussed back in the 70s BUT this was on the basis of the type of federation agreed by Makarios i.e. a TRUE federation with full respect to all fundamental human rights of all Cypriots, so it went hand-in-hand with full restitution of refugees, hence the need for a larger TC-administered area i.e. you would administer 28% but half and probably more of the people living/ owning property there (even though voting in the south) would be GCs!!

The GC side still demands this kind of solution (even Christofias), that is why it is still discussing along those lines on territory, so we are at least being consistent. However, you reject this basis and insist on effectively cleansing the TC-administered part of GCs while also demanding the same size of land!

You cannot have it both ways.. Christofias is currently proposing that territory is discussed together with the property issue, so that a way forward can be found (which implies he would accept reduced GC property rights in the TC-area in return for a larger GC-area, yet you reject this)..

If the wish of Turkey was simply the "protection" of TCs within a pure TC zone, then it should have proposed to hand back all stolen land except an area equal to what is owned by TCs, in return for the lifting of all kinds of "embargos" etc and recognition of that area as a TC component-state-to-be within a future united federal Cyprus.

I am sure the RoC would immediately accept this, which would put the 2 communities on equal footing and would build trust as the feeling of looting, piracy and spoils of war against your compatriots would no longer exist. The next logical step would be for the 2 sides to gradually start to get closer - and any return of GCs to the north would be negotiated in exchange for an increase in territory of the TC area.

Until this happens, all can see that Turkey's intent is no more and no less than a barbaric land-grab, the stealing by force of another people's achievements and property and makes your whole race no better than a gang of thieves and criminals.
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Postby Tony-4497 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:44 am

As for what happened in the 60s:

We have had this debate several times here, so I will not explain again the fact that Turkey INITIATED the intercommunal violence through TMT and that the FIRST inter-communal killings were those of 8 GCs in Kondemenos.

I agree that certain GCs carried out crimes against TCs. Those criminals, however, killed more GCs than TCs! They are the same people who tried to remove and kill Makarios, who had the support of 97% of GCs!

Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..
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Postby shahmaran » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:55 am

Tony-4497 wrote:Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..


We are still paying for it, so should you!

The GC police force spent decades going around terrorizing innocent people, Greece was over to help. Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

The Serbs spent years murdering Muslims at the heart of the EU, did anyone care? Nope.

EU is not a "force" it's just a union of the rich who have the same taste in wine and want to enjoy it for cheap. They will probably continue enjoying it while you get killed and then they will talk about it...
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:08 am

shahmaran wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..


We are still paying for it, so should you!

The GC police force spent decades going around terrorizing innocent people, Greece was over to help. Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

The Serbs spent years murdering Muslims at the heart of the EU, did anyone care? Nope.

EU is not a "force" it's just a union of the rich who have the same taste in wine and want to enjoy it for cheap. They will probably continue enjoying it while you get killed and then they will talk about it...


I fully agree with you- You must protect your side - the bill is still open.

As much as you are trying to protect your illness fears so the outstanding account increased. Live in fear and stuck on your misery state and life.
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Postby shahmaran » Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:17 am

EPSILON wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..


We are still paying for it, so should you!

The GC police force spent decades going around terrorizing innocent people, Greece was over to help. Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

The Serbs spent years murdering Muslims at the heart of the EU, did anyone care? Nope.

EU is not a "force" it's just a union of the rich who have the same taste in wine and want to enjoy it for cheap. They will probably continue enjoying it while you get killed and then they will talk about it...


I fully agree with you- You must protect your side - the bill is still open.

As much as you are trying to protect your illness fears so the outstanding account increased. Live in fear and stuck on your misery state and life.


We don't live in fear, but we don't want to have to trust you either.

After all, as much as you claim to be the "pillar of civilization", when shit starts falling, you have shown that you too can easily become another savage scum :lol:
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:30 am

shahmaran wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..


We are still paying for it, so should you!

The GC police force spent decades going around terrorizing innocent people, Greece was over to help. Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

The Serbs spent years murdering Muslims at the heart of the EU, did anyone care? Nope.

EU is not a "force" it's just a union of the rich who have the same taste in wine and want to enjoy it for cheap. They will probably continue enjoying it while you get killed and then they will talk about it...


I fully agree with you- You must protect your side - the bill is still open.

As much as you are trying to protect your illness fears so the outstanding account increased. Live in fear and stuck on your misery state and life.


We don't live in fear, but we don't want to have to trust you either.

After all, as much as you claim to be the "pillar of civilization", when shit starts falling, you have shown that you too can easily become another savage scum :lol:


Who told you to trust us? Do not make this mistake again- do not destroy our life again. Leave the Anatolians to destroy only yours from now onward.
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Postby shahmaran » Fri Aug 20, 2010 10:39 am

EPSILON wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..


We are still paying for it, so should you!

The GC police force spent decades going around terrorizing innocent people, Greece was over to help. Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

The Serbs spent years murdering Muslims at the heart of the EU, did anyone care? Nope.

EU is not a "force" it's just a union of the rich who have the same taste in wine and want to enjoy it for cheap. They will probably continue enjoying it while you get killed and then they will talk about it...


I fully agree with you- You must protect your side - the bill is still open.

As much as you are trying to protect your illness fears so the outstanding account increased. Live in fear and stuck on your misery state and life.


We don't live in fear, but we don't want to have to trust you either.

After all, as much as you claim to be the "pillar of civilization", when shit starts falling, you have shown that you too can easily become another savage scum :lol:


Who told you to trust us? Do not make this mistake again- do not destroy our life again. Leave the Anatolians to destroy only yours from now onward.


How can I live with people I do not trust?

Plus I always took you as a Greek person not a Cypriot, why are you including yourself to a country you are not from, where you have also worked hand in hand with the so called "Anatolians" in destroying lives? :)
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Postby EPSILON » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:01 am

shahmaran wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
EPSILON wrote:
shahmaran wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..


We are still paying for it, so should you!

The GC police force spent decades going around terrorizing innocent people, Greece was over to help. Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".

The Serbs spent years murdering Muslims at the heart of the EU, did anyone care? Nope.

EU is not a "force" it's just a union of the rich who have the same taste in wine and want to enjoy it for cheap. They will probably continue enjoying it while you get killed and then they will talk about it...


I fully agree with you- You must protect your side - the bill is still open.

As much as you are trying to protect your illness fears so the outstanding account increased. Live in fear and stuck on your misery state and life.


We don't live in fear, but we don't want to have to trust you either.

After all, as much as you claim to be the "pillar of civilization", when shit starts falling, you have shown that you too can easily become another savage scum :lol:


Who told you to trust us? Do not make this mistake again- do not destroy our life again. Leave the Anatolians to destroy only yours from now onward.


How can I live with people I do not trust?

Plus I always took you as a Greek person not a Cypriot, why are you including yourself to a country you are not from, where you have also worked hand in hand with the so called "Anatolians" in destroying lives? :)


I am not Greek because they told me to be, netheir because Ottomans or others brought me in Cyprus by fishing boats in 14th century. Neither because I am a Greek citizen. I am Greek because i born as such. This is something which i assume you have a difficulty to understand. Saying simply i am a Cypriot this for me means nothing else that i am a victim of British 60's constitution.Means that i am of no Ethnicity (a bastard of the World's communities) This i can not accept, even some of my co patriots hv been convested to do so.


I remind you my friend that Greeks are not creared in 24hrs by the help of Kurds and other Anatolians with the great help (finally) of the known allies in 1922. This is a big difference to feel and say that you are Greek and to be a Turk. Turk based on what? Several hundreds of Anatolians families (the most famous this of Osman) under the panishment,genosides, of the famous Attaturk decided to name themselves Turks. This just 100 hundred year ago!!!This for me is not an Ethnicity is just a result of policies and can not create certain culture in so short time. Take the actual life/culture in Turkey- Compare population in West Turkey (excluding newcomers from Anatolia-these you should fear more than the G/cs) and the rest of the country.
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Postby revolver » Fri Aug 20, 2010 11:35 am

Get Real, because of scums like you, Cyprus is divided and again, fasicts motherfuckers like you, it seems no unification in the future. My Brother Nigoli said there are plenty of assholes like you in south but dont worry, we have similar assholes in north like you idiot. I think we should get you assholes in the same boat and sent you to hell you mother fuckers.
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Postby Tony-4497 » Fri Aug 20, 2010 12:36 pm

shahmaran wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:Are you saying that the entire GC population should in 2010 continue to pay for the actions that a few criminals carried out in the 60s?? Especially after all that happened and the full knowledge of everyone that Turkey is 5 mins away and will invade again if anyone touches a TC?? Especially after all of Cyprus in EU-land? Do you really imagine such things happening within the EU?

And if you are arguing it's only about your protection and not piracy, then see note above..


Don't give us this rubbish about "Turkey starting" and that "just a few GC's did bad things".


You live in a fantasy world.. Turkey had planned what happened from the 50s.. go read statements made from then.. they said clearly that even if there wasn't a single TC in Cyprus, they would still have found an excuse to do what they did.. they used you but you don't even realise.. why did they kill TCs who wouldnt follow TMT? why did TMT plug bombs against TCs and then blame GCs to start fighting? Which was the FIRST intercommunal killing? Give me JUST ONE example of a TC being killed before you slaughtered the 8 GCs in Kondemenos..

After you started the flighting there were a few hundred TCs AND not a much lower number of GCs killed between 63 and 74 (not "decades" as you said!!).. nowhere near the several thousands killed by your mama's army in 74..

And you say you are "paying"!! You killed, raped, stole 37% of our country.. if you don't "trust" us or the EU and prefer to "live alone" I don't give a shit.. but if this what you want then you need to hand back 25% of Cyprus.. because what you OWN is 12% and not an inch more.. Until you either return to legality (the 1960 RoC) or at least return the 25% that you stole, you will be our enemy.
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