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[wyoming cowboy]

Why would you choose to laugh at the truth......Remember when the the wheel turns the other way you wont be laughing for long

[observer]

Whats new here nothing really, Kissinger was in touch with the Turks and the junta directing the invasion of Turkey. There are reports from soldiers serving in the CNG that they were ordered not to fire on the Turks, to make it a total cakewalk for the Turks ,,important CNG units were moved from the coast of Kyrenia and towards Limassol and Paphos. There was no way the Turks could fail in their attempt. If they were stopped then the ships outside of Kyrenia would take over.. The junta would fall a few days after the invasion and the Turk had a foothold on Cyprus, something they would not dare do before. /There was invasion to save any Tc because the Tc were not in danger. These articles and others prove many things including the illigitimacy of the occuppied areas of Cyprus

So, since the coup had succeeded and Sampson was President, TCs were not in danger. I think that there is something wrong with your logic.

[B25]

INsan, you must lead such a sad life, if all you can do with your time is hunt articles like these.

What you have proven to us AGAIN, is that the CIA (Kissinger) coluded with the Turks and the Junta to take Cyprus.

Makarios was not even a player then, he would have done as he was told.

The turks coming to Cyprus was orchistrated by the Americans via the junta in conjunction with Turkey thats all. We all know this, but regretably are unable to do anything about it.

You have shown nothing new, Turkey wanted in, the US put them there, end of story.

[wyoming cowboy]

Whats new here nothing really, Kissinger was in touch with the Turks and the junta directing the invasion of Turkey. There are reports from soldiers serving in the CNG that they were ordered not to fire on the Turks, to make it a total cakewalk for the Turks ,,important CNG units were moved from the coast of Kyrenia and towards Limassol and Paphos. There was no way the Turks could fail in their attempt. If they were stopped then the ships outside of Kyrenia would take over.. The junta would fall a few days after the invasion and the Turk had a foothold on Cyprus, something they would not dare do before. /There was invasion to save any Tc because the Tc were not in danger. These articles and others prove many things including the illigitimacy of the occuppied areas of Cyprus

So, since the coup had succeeded and Sampson was President, TCs were not in danger. I think that there is something wrong with your logic.

How many Tc were killed during the coup and how many Gc

[insan]

INsan, you must lead such a sad life, if all you can do with your time is hunt articles like these.

What you have proven to us AGAIN, is that the CIA (Kissinger) coluded with the Turks and the Junta to take Cyprus.

Makarios was not even a player then, he would have done as he was told.

The turks coming to Cyprus was orchistrated by the Americans via the junta in conjunction with Turkey thats all. We all know this, but regretably are unable to do anything about it.

You have shown nothing new, Turkey wanted in, the US put them there, end of story.

I'll let your beatutide answer you... I can feel your pain B25 but you still insist on ignoring the facts...

MAKARIOS: And what Le Monde said didn't correspond to what I said. I didn't have an interview with Mr. Eric Rouleau, just a talk. He asked me not whether the CIA was involved, but whether the CIA knew in advance. I said I didn't know whether they knew in advance about a coup on that particular day. You had information that the possibility of a coup could not be excluded.

Kissinger: I was told Your Beatitude was told about this.

MAKARIOS: There were public reports that at the last moment the CIA got information but there was not enough time to approach anyone in Greece to stop the coup. But this is much different from what was published, that the CIA made the coup. That was not in the interests of the United States.

Kissinger: That's ridiculous.

MAKARIOS: So the interview in Le Monde was not true.

[insan]

Whats new here nothing really, Kissinger was in touch with the Turks and the junta directing the invasion of Turkey. There are reports from soldiers serving in the CNG that they were ordered not to fire on the Turks, to make it a total cakewalk for the Turks ,,important CNG units were moved from the coast of Kyrenia and towards Limassol and Paphos. There was no way the Turks could fail in their attempt. If they were stopped then the ships outside of Kyrenia would take over.. The junta would fall a few days after the invasion and the Turk had a foothold on Cyprus, something they would not dare do before. /There was invasion to save any Tc because the Tc were not in danger. These articles and others prove many things including the illigitimacy of the occuppied areas of Cyprus

So, since the coup had succeeded and Sampson was President, TCs were not in danger. I think that there is something wrong with your logic.

How many Tc were killed during the coup and how many Gc

How many TCs you would wished to be killed in order the Turkish intervention be justified?

Or everyone should have waited till the Soviets interfere and rescue it's comrades? Otherwise 1/3 of GCs would become refugees in USSR and Soviets would have lost it's leg in Cyprus...

I can hear you say: "It would have been far better!"

[denizaksulu]

Whats new here nothing really, Kissinger was in touch with the Turks and the junta directing the invasion of Turkey. There are reports from soldiers serving in the CNG that they were ordered not to fire on the Turks, to make it a total cakewalk for the Turks ,,important CNG units were moved from the coast of Kyrenia and towards Limassol and Paphos. There was no way the Turks could fail in their attempt. If they were stopped then the ships outside of Kyrenia would take over.. The junta would fall a few days after the invasion and the Turk had a foothold on Cyprus, something they would not dare do before. /There was invasion to save any Tc because the Tc were not in danger. These articles and others prove many things including the illigitimacy of the occuppied areas of Cyprus

So, since the coup had succeeded and Sampson was President, TCs were not in danger. I think that there is something wrong with your logic.

How many Tc were killed during the coup and how many Gc

How many TCs you would wished to be killed in order the Turkish intervention be justified?

Or everyone should have waited till the Soviets interfere and rescue it's comrades? Otherwise 1/3 of GCs would become refugees in USSR and Soviets would have lost it's leg in Cyprus...

I can hear you say: "It would have been far better!"

Thanks for these 'reports' Insan.

Its sad that some here read but do not comprehend.

Pesky Greeks

[Nikitas]

"the General literally blew up"- Ioannides was never a general, he reached the rank of Brigadier and remained one till his arrest and trial in 1975.

In another place the telegrams refer to the "UK ambassador in Cyprus" there is no such rank, he is the British High Commissioner.

And notice the TOTAL ABSENCE of any converstations of US or British officials with Turks. Did someone edit them out? Did no such conversations take place?

The lack of any Turkish sourced documentation on the invasion or the overall Turkish policy on Cyprus is intriguing. Every other party to the situation- UK, Greece, Cyprus, USA- have all opened up their archives to some extent. Turkey has not released one single document, has made no public reference in any of its official or institutional bodies about Cyprus.

But Turkey was never an "open society" in the sense coined by professor Karl Popper. Turkey is the archetypal closed society which relies on a single internally defined source of legitimacy for everything it does- Kemalism.

[insan]

"the General literally blew up"- Ioannides was never a general, he reached the rank of Brigadier and remained one till his arrest and trial in 1975.

In another place the telegrams refer to the "UK ambassador in Cyprus" there is no such rank, he is the British High Commissioner.

And notice the TOTAL ABSENCE of any converstations of US or British officials with Turks. Did someone edit them out? Did no such conversations take place?

The lack of any Turkish sourced documentation on the invasion or the overall Turkish policy on Cyprus is intriguing. Every other party to the situation- UK, Greece, Cyprus, USA- have all opened up their archives to some extent. Turkey has not released one single document, has made no public reference in any of its official or institutional bodies about Cyprus.

But Turkey was never an "open society" in the sense coined by professor Karl Popper. Turkey is the archetypal closed society which relies on a single internally defined source of legitimacy for everything it does- Kemalism.

In 1974 the U.S. encouraged the illegal coup against President Makarios by the Greek junta leader General Ioannides.

http://www.ahiworld.com/061698.html

Even the Greeks reffers him as General...

About us

The High Commission is the diplomatic representation of the British government in Cyprus. The High Commission does the same work as an embassy: we are called a high commission because both Cyprus and the United Kingdom are members of the Commonwealth.

http://ukincyprus.fco.gov.uk/en/about-us/

I hope u won't claim u know it better than they...

I'll be back with some documentation of telephone conservations of then the turkish officials and other concerned parties... don't worry about it Nikitas...

Can you tell me where can i find the Cyprus and Greece archives regarding the Cyprus issue?

[Nikitas]

I do not have handy web site addresses etc but the most reliable sources would be

Greek parliament records of the Cyprus policy debate of the 1980s. Not so much a revelation about the coup, but of Greek policy in the pre junta 60s. People who held vital ministerial posts in the government deposed as to the policy followed.

The minutes of the junta trial in 1975, covered some areas of the Cyprus problem.

The detailed army logs etc of the actual operations in July and August 1974 are sealed. After a long investigation by a joint parliamentary committee in Greece the documents known collectively as the "Cyprus File" have been locked up because their publication was deemed to be "potentially harmful to the international relations of Greece with allied nations". Now the RoC parliamentary committee headed by MP Sizopoulos plans to request unsealing the documents. No formal request has been made.

As for individual testimony in books, interviews, articles and TV footage there is plenty. Almost every media outlet has had interviews with politicians, officials, soldiers and others involved in the events of 1974.