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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:12 pm

zan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Yunus Emre also said something to that effect:

"Dirildik pınar olduk,
İrkildik ırmak olduk,
Aktık denize daldık,
Taştık Elhamdülillâh.
Taptuğun tapusunda,
Kul olduk kapısında,
Yunus miskin çiğ idik
Piştik Elhamdülillâh."


Translation:

We came alive, and became a brook,

We were startled, [and] became a stream

We reached the sea

and overflowed - by the grace of Allah.

We prayed at its [doorway?]

[and] became followers at its gateway'

Yunus , was poor and 'raw''

[and] now we are 'baked' by the grace of Allah.

Not easy to translate.

Shame Yfred aint here.


I am having a go at translating it but have come up with:

Irkildik = Race..........As in "we became a race" My Iphone originally came out with "Startled" but "race makes more sense no

:?



Irk - race

İrkilmek - to be startled.surprised

One ıs I the other ıs İ * no dot above the I


eg

SİKMEK - to fuck

SIKMAK - to squeeze

Big difference :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:14 pm

zan wrote:
insan wrote:
zan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Yunus Emre also said something to that effect:

"Dirildik pınar olduk,
İrkildik ırmak olduk,
Aktık denize daldık,
Taştık Elhamdülillâh.
Taptuğun tapusunda,
Kul olduk kapısında,
Yunus miskin çiğ idik
Piştik Elhamdülillâh."


Translation:

We came alive, and became a brook,

We were startled, [and] became a stream

We reached the sea

and overflowed - by the grace of Allah.

We prayed at its [doorway?]

[and] became followers at its gateway'

Yunus , was poor and 'raw''

[and] now we are 'baked' by the grace of Allah.

Not easy to translate.

Shame Yfred aint here.


I am having a go at translating it but have come up with:

Irkildik = Race..........As in "we became a race" My Iphone originally came out with "Startled" but "race makes more sense no

:?


The closest equivelant of "irkilmek" is "to be shuddered" i think... or "to be winced" because sufism is based on reformation by voluntary suffering...


Cheers mate......I give up....



This is what I got :oops: (With a little poetic licence)

We were raised as a tiny brook

Joined the race and became a stream

Flowed down and dove into the sea

and overflowed Alleluia

?????????????????????

Became ashes at its gate

A lazy avalanche of musky dolphins

We cooked Alleluia









:lol:



Bravo :lol: :lol:
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Postby zan » Mon Aug 16, 2010 6:18 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
zan wrote:
insan wrote:
zan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:Yunus Emre also said something to that effect:

"Dirildik pınar olduk,
İrkildik ırmak olduk,
Aktık denize daldık,
Taştık Elhamdülillâh.
Taptuğun tapusunda,
Kul olduk kapısında,
Yunus miskin çiğ idik
Piştik Elhamdülillâh."


Translation:

We came alive, and became a brook,

We were startled, [and] became a stream

We reached the sea

and overflowed - by the grace of Allah.

We prayed at its [doorway?]

[and] became followers at its gateway'

Yunus , was poor and 'raw''

[and] now we are 'baked' by the grace of Allah.

Not easy to translate.

Shame Yfred aint here.


I am having a go at translating it but have come up with:

Irkildik = Race..........As in "we became a race" My Iphone originally came out with "Startled" but "race makes more sense no

:?


The closest equivelant of "irkilmek" is "to be shuddered" i think... or "to be winced" because sufism is based on reformation by voluntary suffering...


Cheers mate......I give up....



This is what I got :oops: (With a little poetic licence)

We were raised as a tiny brook

Joined the race and became a stream

Flowed down and dove into the sea

and overflowed Alleluia

?????????????????????

Became ashes at its gate

A lazy avalanche of musky dolphins

We cooked Alleluia









:lol:



Bravo :lol: :lol:


Worth every penny that IPhone :twisted:




:lol:
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Postby zan » Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:14 pm

Back on topic
We make haste
Debate our nature nurtured well
Be it heaven
Be it hell

Make merry with
What life will give
Work like dogs To pay the rent
Be it straight
Or be it bent

We know ourselves
As best we can
Imagining what might gave been
Be it better
Be it worse.
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Postby Oracle » Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:16 pm

There's good and bad and all shades in-between.
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Postby zan » Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:40 pm

zan wrote:Back on topic
We make haste
Debate our nature nurtured well
Be it heaven
Be it hell

Make merry with
What life will give
Work like dogs To pay the rent
Be it straight
Or be it bent

We know ourselves
As best we can
Imagining what might have been
Be it better
Be it worse.


But I think Oracle put it more succinctly!! :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:48 pm

zan wrote:
zan wrote:Back on topic
We make haste
Debate our nature nurtured well
Be it heaven
Be it hell

Make merry with
What life will give
Work like dogs To pay the rent
Be it straight
Or be it bent

We know ourselves
As best we can
Imagining what might have been
Be it better
Be it worse.


But I think Oracle put it more succinctly!! :lol:



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Postby zan » Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:52 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
zan wrote:
zan wrote:Back on topic
We make haste
Debate our nature nurtured well
Be it heaven
Be it hell

Make merry with
What life will give
Work like dogs To pay the rent
Be it straight
Or be it bent

We know ourselves
As best we can
Imagining what might have been
Be it better
Be it worse.


But I think Oracle put it more succinctly!! :lol:



:twisted:


My poem or she who must not be mentioned? :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:01 pm

zan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
zan wrote:
zan wrote:Back on topic
We make haste
Debate our nature nurtured well
Be it heaven
Be it hell

Make merry with
What life will give
Work like dogs To pay the rent
Be it straight
Or be it bent

We know ourselves
As best we can
Imagining what might have been
Be it better
Be it worse.


But I think Oracle put it more succinctly!! :lol:



:twisted:


My poem or she who must not be mentioned? :lol:



Your unmentionable and Eastern Sufism. :twisted:
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Postby CBBB » Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:22 pm

Figgy started all this off?
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