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[halil]

An article in Politis says that if nothing happens in the talks on the Cyprus problem by November, the international community is considering two alternatives.

The paper says that according to people closely connected with the talks, few now believe that substantial progress can be achieved by that time, which is when the UN S-G is due to present his report on Cyprus.

Specualation as to what he might say in that report focus on two possibilities – he will either declare the Cyprus problem unsolvable and put an end to this phase, or he will look for a new framework for discussion. The first is considered to be the ‘tough’ choice and least likely, while the second opens the doors to a multi-lateral conference and a massive give and take bargaining which would probably lead to a negotiated partition as opposed to an overall solution as sought today.

The key to the success or otherwise of the current phase, the UN believes, is the property issue and are waiting to see the outcome of the negotiations between the leaders on this issue. If Christofias and Eroglu manage to find the golden mean in the property issue (something that few believe they can), then the other aspects of the Cyprus problem will fall into place. The two leaders are committed to present new proposals on property in September, while Downer’s team has examined ideas that should bridge a a number of the existing differences. Progress here would favourably influence Ban Ki-Moon’s report, whereas failure would set in motion one of the two other scenarios.

[zan]

CYPRUS: REUNIFICATION OR PARTITION?
Europe Report N°201 – 30 September 2009


RECOMMENDATIONS
To the Greek Cypriot and Turkish Cypriot Leaderships:
1. Commit jointly, publicly and wholeheartedly to the goal of a comprehensive settlement to go to a ref- erendum in early 2010 that would reunify Cyprus as a federal, bizonal, bicommunal republic with two politically equal constituent states and a single international identity.
2. Show greater willingness to bargain across individu- ally insoluble issues in the talks, such as Greek Cypriots offering citizenship to more immigrants from Turkey in exchange for more flexible Turkish Cypriot approaches to the guarantee issue, and Turkish Cypriots offering to give up more territory in exchange for greater Greek Cypriot flexibility on property compensation, restitution and return.
3. Build a joint public relations strategy to communicate to both sides on the island a tangible dedication to a comprehensive settlement, the shape of the future federation and achievements on the road toward it.
4. Explain in the clearest possible terms to their respec- tive populations that this is almost certainly the last chance for many years for any settlement and that the alternative is likely to be a sharp turn towards partition.To the Governments of Turkey, Greece and the United Kingdom:
5. Meet with both Cypriot communities to update the tripartite 1960 Treaties of Guarantee and Alliance via a new Treaty of Security and Implementation that could include reunited Cyprus as a signatory and set out a graduated mix of international over- sight of any settlement.
6. Turkey should launch a dialogue with Greek Cypriots through confidence-building statements and Greek Cypriots should reciprocate. Greek officials should also arrange trust-creating meetings that bring them together with officials from Turkey and the Republic of Cyprus, a process in which both Greek and Turk- ish Cypriot representatives must also be included.
To the Governments of European Union Member States, Russia and the United States:
7. Develop strategies to capitalise rapidly on any break- through in the Cyprus talks towards the end of 2009, including public preparations for a donor conference to commit financial support for a settlement.
8. Engage to the maximum with Cypriot leaders to im- press upon them the need for a settlement and work imaginatively to re-ignite enthusiasm for Turkey’s EU convergence process, including freeing up blocks on Turkey’s EU negotiating chapters.
9. Actively work to ensure that European Commission financial support for Turkish Cypriots is renewed and continues beyond 2009.
10. Consider new ways for the EU and the wider inter- national community to open markets and commu- nications directly to Turkish Cypriots to encourage Turkey’s opening of airports and seaports to Greek Cypriot traffic, so as to increase chances of success in the talks and diminish the impact of any failure.
Nicosia/Istanbul/Brussels, 30 September 2009

http://trncinfo.com/_images/belgeler/7/ ... tition.pdf

[Nikitas]

"The key to the success or otherwise of the current phase, the UN believes, is the property issue " which of course puts the UN and the international system in a quandary because property is an individual HUMAN RIGHT which cannot be extinguished by military or political means. And this brings up point No2:

"Turkish Cypriots offering to give up more territory in exchange for greater Greek Cypriot flexibility on property compensation, restitution and return." Which has already been definitely and finally NIXED by Eroglu who wil not countenance any territorial adjustment on the grounds of "Dislocation".

So what are we talking about exactly? How much the TCs shoud participate in the south without offering anything in return? That is a deal we can do without. And perhaps the presentation of proposals that make the status quo the best choice for GCs is the goal of the TC and Turkish side.

[zan]

"The key to the success or otherwise of the current phase, the UN believes, is the property issue " which of course puts the UN and the international system in a quandary because property is an individual HUMAN RIGHT which cannot be extinguished by military or political means. And this brings up point No2:

"Turkish Cypriots offering to give up more territory in exchange for greater Greek Cypriot flexibility on property compensation, restitution and return." Which has already been definitely and finally NIXED by Eroglu who wil not countenance any territorial adjustment on the grounds of "Dislocation".

So what are we talking about exactly? How much the TCs shoud participate in the south without offering anything in return? That is a deal we can do without. And perhaps the presentation of proposals that make the status quo the best choice for GCs is the goal of the TC and Turkish side.

These guys work in not so mysterious ways Nikitas..

Circumvent your first point = Property commission.

Second point = Internally yes bit there is plenty in the buffer zone.

Third point = Whilst all the above and more provisions HAVE been put into place, the "RoC" is still chasing the option of taking over the whole of the island by demanding these points outside any agreement. The world has seen this happen time after time and will not tolerate any more tricks from you guys.

[Get Real!]

Two options if talks fail

Eventually, your options will be twofold…

1. Paddle back to Turkey.

2. Swim back to Turkey.

So the only difference between your options is having or not having a craft.

[miltiades]

Two options if talks fail

Eventually, your options will be twofold…

1. Paddle back to Turkey.

2. Swim back to Turkey.

So the only difference between your options is having or not having a craft.

THIRD OPTION.
Fly back to Turkey on the back of....pigs !

[AWE]

wasn't there a thread about this a few weeks ago? At the time it was said to be a rumour from politicos etc

[Acikgoz]

Two options if talks fail

Eventually, your options will be twofold…

1. Paddle back to Turkey.

2. Swim back to Turkey.

So the only difference between your options is having or not having a craft.

THIRD OPTION.
Fly back to Turkey on the back of....pigs !

Classic signs of the desire for ethnically cleansing of Cyprus of Turkish Cypriots if they don't fit into the maximalist GC political aspirations.
We have your number Miltiades - watching you.

[thegame24]

It still amazes me that we are negotiotaing with bullies.

Turkey should first get rid of it troops and gypsies before we even think about discussing with tcs about property.

[humanist]

Turkey should first get rid of it troops and gypsies before we even think about discussing with tcs about property

True but who listens to a Cyprus without oils ...... Turkey is just about to fix the American economy with some Christmas presents lol.