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Postby Get Real! » Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:07 pm

halil wrote:The Inspectorship Bureau of the United States has...

No such thing exists! How many times do you need to be reminded that "Turkish Cypriot" newspapers are only good for lighting up the barbeque? :roll:
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Postby miltiades » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:06 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Only fools cannot see that it is to the interests of all of us for Turkey to become a full and proper member of the EU.


ONLY if she first consents to a solution that is acceptable to both GCs and TCs.

If any RoC president makes the grave mistake of allowing her in in the hope that she will behave afterwards (yes, history shows that we tend to elect thick leaders..), then you can kiss a solution goodbye.


What would that be, then?

Send all the low down cheapskates back to their council estates !!
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Postby vaughanwilliams » Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:18 pm

miltiades wrote:
vaughanwilliams wrote:
Tony-4497 wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Only fools cannot see that it is to the interests of all of us for Turkey to become a full and proper member of the EU.


ONLY if she first consents to a solution that is acceptable to both GCs and TCs.

If any RoC president makes the grave mistake of allowing her in in the hope that she will behave afterwards (yes, history shows that we tend to elect thick leaders..), then you can kiss a solution goodbye.


What would that be, then?

Send all the low down cheapskates back to their council estates !!


Ah! If it were only that easy. :wink:
I fear there is nothing that is acceptable to both GCs and TCs. Whatever is seen as a gain by one, will be seen as a loss by the other. :(
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Postby shahmaran » Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:00 pm

I always say there is no single solution, it needs to be taken in various pre-determined steps with set goals, some might not suit everyone but the ultimate goal will.

Even division took decades, why should unification be expected over night...
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Postby zan » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:38 pm

shahmaran wrote:I always say there is no single solution, it needs to be taken in various pre-determined steps with set goals, some might not suit everyone but the ultimate goal will.

Even division took decades, why should unification be expected over night...


Bravo!!! :D
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Postby Acikgoz » Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:59 pm

Brownback tells Clinton ‘Ricciardone not right person’ for Turkey

US Sen. Sam Brownback has urged US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to reconsider the appointment of Francis Ricciardone as the next US ambassador to Turkey, calling on her to provide assurances that the new envoy will engage more with Turkish opposition parties in a letter unearthed on Monday.


Do you start seeing where the US and Israel get involved their interests are key, and only their interests. Forget the Cyprus story as told by GCs or TCs, they have bigger fish to fry.
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Postby Tony-4497 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:12 pm

Bananiot

You are pointing out all the doom and gloom, however you did not answer my question. Also, you are not making any suggestions for what should be the way forward.

What do you think is the reason for our apparent failure? How come our genius of a president who got elected by promising he would corner Turkey managed to put us in such a miserable position?? Even after making ridiculous concessions that in any case can never be accepted by GCs at referendum (rotational presidency)?

You seem to be suggesting that the answer is that he should accept arbitration (or a deadline, which is effectively identical). Anyone can see that the ONLY possible outcome of this would be a close variation of the Annan plan.

This of course is something that you would like, however you are not explaining how this would pass a GC referendum - are you proposing vote rigging? In Anastasiades's words, a second No would be "suicide". Is this what you want for Cyprus?

Christofias's strategy from day 1 was disastrous, as I kept saying from then. Instead of using the referendum result in order to define red lines and put forward a reasonable "BBF with political equality" proposition which IS acceptable to GCs - and give deadlines to Turkey for accepting it - he chose to negotiate something that can never be accepted by his side.

The Archbishop is right when he says that Turkey needs to hear tough words. But this should be combined with taking the initiative as the government of the whole island and putting forward a solution that benefits everyone.
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Postby Tony-4497 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:20 pm

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Postby Tony-4497 » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:23 pm

Oh, and as for the doom & gloom scenarios, again, you are completely ignoring the parameter of Turkey's EU accession, which is Turkey's only incentive for accepting any solution in the first place. It goes without saying that if "TRNC" becomes a Taiwan (i.e. direct flights, trade etc) then the RoC will retaliate by blocking fully Turkey's EU path and closing the green line.

Not to mention the legal difficulties re flights and the fact that full recognition would be needed in order to develop an international financial centre - even Taiwan has not penetrated this market (unlike Hong Kong and Singapore), precisely because Taiwan-registered holding companies have substantial drawbacks due to non-recognition (both legal and tax/ treaties obstacles).
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Postby zan » Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:23 pm

Tony-4497 wrote:Oh, and as for the doom & gloom scenarios, again, you are completely ignoring the parameter of Turkey's EU accession, which is Turkey's only incentive for accepting any solution in the first place. It goes without saying that if "TRNC" becomes a Taiwan (i.e. direct flights, trade etc) then the RoC will retaliate by blocking fully Turkey's EU path and closing the green line.

Not to mention the legal difficulties re flights and the fact that full recognition would needed to develop an international financial centre - even Taiwan has not penetrated this market (unlike Hong Kong and Singapore), precisely because Taiwan-registered holding companies have substantial drawbacks due to non-recognition (both legal and tax/ treaties obstacles).



And if the decision comes FROM the "RoC"...................
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