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[Tony-4497]

Bananiot we can all sense that something is a brewing and I dont think its going to be to the liking of one of the sides. Erdoğan has spoken clearly that time is running out and by the end of the year everyone will go their own way.

Well, if Erdogan has spoken, it must be serious then.. apparently he will stop being nice to us and start seeking recognition for the puppet state.. it's a completely new world.. quick - rush to Ryanair's site to book your Tymbou-Gatwick direct flight..

[Tony-4497]

Yet, he will not give up the Pap rhetoric of "no asphyxiating time limits and no arbitration" indicating that he is in two minds about solution

Are you suggesting that he should just stop stating this while maintaining the substance of the position (i.e. just change the PR message) or are you saying he should actually change his position and become open to arbitration/ time limits (the latter effectively also means arbitration - as opposed to "target timescale")?

[vaughanwilliams]

Only fools cannot see that it is to the interests of all of us for Turkey to become a full and proper member of the EU.

ONLY if she first consents to a solution that is acceptable to both GCs and TCs.

If any RoC president makes the grave mistake of allowing her in in the hope that she will behave afterwards (yes, history shows that we tend to elect thick leaders..), then you can kiss a solution goodbye.

What would that be, then?

[Bananiot]

The time for cynicism is over Tony. Come this fall we will face crunch time. While we are running scared of timeframes for solution, Turkey's position in the world is becoming more important, Turkey has the 16th economy worldwide, Turkey is a member of G20 and has not been touched by the economic crisis, while becoming more and more involved in the political scene in the Middle East, as a mediator. Currently, Turkey is becoming a leader force within the Islamic world too. Yes, when the Turkish leader speaks, the world listens, no matter how harsh this may sound for us, the victims of the invasion of 1974.

As a result, because Turkey is also winning the communication game, most countries, even those that traditionally supported us, think that we are responsible for the lack of solution. This will be reflected in some important decisions the international community will take this Autumn and Winter, and we will not like them. Probably, if the talks fail to bear fruit, the UN Secretary General will suggest some sort of an international conference as an antidote to the final failure (final because just about everybody is fed up with us) to which Turkey will say yes straight away while we will reject it, as we have already done so.

I do not know if recognition of the break away state will be achieved this time. Turkey is not in a hurry on this anyway. She can wait until we make more tactical mistakes and rest assure that we will see recognition too. For the moment, though, Taiwanisation is the best bet. This will be detrimental to our economy which will suffer greatly if a Taiwan type economy is set up next door. It will be a huge blow as our main income comes from services which will now be offered considerably more cheaply by the "TRNC" which will also become a tax heaven, with a European Union outlook.

[Get Real!]

...Turkey's position in the world is becoming more important, Turkey has the 16th economy worldwide, Turkey is a member of G20 and has not been touched by the economic crisis, while becoming more and more involved in the political scene in the Middle East, as a mediator. Currently, Turkey is becoming a leader force within the Islamic world too. Yes, when the Turkish leader speaks, the world listens, no matter how harsh this may sound for us, the victims of the invasion of 1974.

It must be so painful for this Muslim “superpower” to get screwed around daily by a handful of insignificant Cypriot peasants living on an even more insignificant rock!

Why can’t the great Turkish Pasha have his way?

Did he piss in the well?

Did he fall out the back of an exhaust pipe?


Bananiot, I understand your frustration!

[halil]

The Inspectorship Bureau of the United States has prepared a supervision report on Cyprus which described the ongoing negotiations process on the island as the first serious initiative towards a settlement that is taken after the failure in 2004. Emphasis is laid on the fact that theTC are facing difficulties in meeting up some of their humanitarian necessities as a result of the Cyprus problem.

The US report stressed that the US Embassy in South Cyprus has been contributing to the politics aiming to reunite the island.

A budget worth 830 thousand dollars has also been saved for the implementation of some bi-communal projects, the report noted. Most of the projects will be realized with the participation of civil society organizations with close contact with the public.

The “jazz diplomacy” is also on the agenda.

Turkish and Greek jazz musicians will come together with an American musician and hold a “jam session” to call for peace. Introduced by the US, jazz as an instrument of global diplomacy, was used to transform superpower relations in the Cold War era and promote democracy worldwide.

[humanist]

The US embassy has made a mistake there is no south Cyprus ...

[Acikgoz]

Acikgoz, I do not really understand what you mean when you say that I see the wood for the trees?

You can see the big picture rather than getting caught in the small details - many of which on this site are either hypocritical, racist or purely partisan.

Your Taiwan view I think is achievable.
I don't think it will be bad for GCs though in that a wealthier neighbour is more beneficial than poorer one. It does make the Cyprus situation more complicated for maximalist GCs and increases expectations for independence seeking TCs. However, after so long with no progress, I'm all for something new that has some win-win elements - I am sure some positive benefits for GCs would also be negotiated.

I found the quote from Zaman almost amusing.. surely, they are not suggesting that Turkey is doing us a favour by NOT seeking recognition for "TRNC".. and there's me thinking that this is what it's been trying to achieve - unsuccessfully - for the past 30 years..

I too agree with you here, I don't buy the desire to control the whole island argument with TCs as puppets to do Turkey's bidding. Full recognition would be the most efficient and expedient solution for Turkey, but it is far, very far from achieving this outcome if it ever can.

[shahmaran]

Definitely beats Gaylo and that other schmuck!

So who will be the first to open cheesy Facebook groups against these evil Turkish and Greek jazz musicians?

[humanist]

I wonder where they will hold the event? I hope somewhere where they can bring some of the abandoned Green Line to life as a bizonal community .... like a huge park or cafe district .... hhhmmm