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[shahmaran]

And as long as Turkey is not in the EU, you will have no chance for a solution.

Considering Turkey currently facing more towards the Arab's than the west (thanks to the AKP), anything is possible now.

Sorry Shahmaran, but it's the other way round.

The only way you can have any power over Turkey is IF Turkey insists on joining the EU, where you can blackmail her for the entry, or if she is in the EU therefore having to respect another EU members identity by having to follow EU laws.

If you ask me, I would hate to see Turkey in the EU, I think she should just put a hold on all negotioations, and then what will you do?

No one is blackmailing Turkey.

If Turkey wants to join the EU, then Turkey must meet all of the chapters set by the EU.

If there are any barriers stopping Turkey joining EU then it is up to Turkey to address and resolve them in a sensible and pragmatic way.

If addressing some of these barriers is unpallitable to Turkey, then yes, Turkey should halt negotiations.

Where will this leave free Cypriots? When looking at the current situation, it will make absolutley no difference to the RoC, but will be TCs that will be affected most by Turkey's policy towards the north.

You spoke just like an EU politician Ed.

But we all know that this is a classic book definition of blackmail, done mutually.

If Turkey decided to halt the EU negotiations, then you have nothing, 0.

[Me Ed]

And as long as Turkey is not in the EU, you will have no chance for a solution.

Considering Turkey currently facing more towards the Arab's than the west (thanks to the AKP), anything is possible now.

Sorry Shahmaran, but it's the other way round.

The only way you can have any power over Turkey is IF Turkey insists on joining the EU, where you can blackmail her for the entry, or if she is in the EU therefore having to respect another EU members identity by having to follow EU laws.

If you ask me, I would hate to see Turkey in the EU, I think she should just put a hold on all negotioations, and then what will you do?

No one is blackmailing Turkey.

If Turkey wants to join the EU, then Turkey must meet all of the chapters set by the EU.

If there are any barriers stopping Turkey joining EU then it is up to Turkey to address and resolve them in a sensible and pragmatic way.

If addressing some of these barriers is unpallitable to Turkey, then yes, Turkey should halt negotiations.

Where will this leave free Cypriots? When looking at the current situation, it will make absolutley no difference to the RoC, but will be TCs that will be affected most by Turkey's policy towards the north.

You spoke just like an EU politician Ed.

But we all know that this is a classic book definition of blackmail, done mutually.

If Turkey decided to halt the EU negotiations, then you have nothing, 0.

When are you going to learn that joining the EU is not a negotiation, but a process.

You only think that Turkey is being blackmailed because you are under the misguided perception that Turkey needs to negotiate its way into the EU.

Turkey needs to follow the EU ascention process like all other candidate states and meet the criteria of the EU chapters - simple.

I don't give a monkies whether or not Turkey halts its EU negotiations, but I do believe that Turkey can be in the EU within 5 - 10 years.

[Tony-4497]

The only way you can have any power over Turkey is IF Turkey insists on joining the EU, where you can blackmail her for the entry, or if she is in the EU therefore having to respect another EU members identity by having to follow EU laws.

The second point is irrelevant to the Cyprus problem because we would never allow Turkey in without a prior solution (i.e. if already in, it means the Cyprob was already solved, we are now partners, and we have no reason to "blackmail" Turkey).

I agree with the first point ie we will have real power only if and when other obstacles are almost removed. Even in such a case, the solution will not be a GC "win". It will still be a BBF with political equality safeguarding TC way of life, identity, prosperity etc. However, it will be viable and more balanced on territory/ property (e.g. the 18% TCs who own 12% of land will not end up with 30% of land and 55% of coastline, which is what idiotic GCs leaders are currently negotiating, harbouring under the illusion this could ever pass a GC referendum).

If, on the other hand, Turkey decides to move away from the EU, then we have no power and there is no prospect for any solution, because the solution that Turkey is prepared to accept now is far worse than the status quo. We can only fight in courts etc and wait for things to change in the longer term, if circumstances change.

[AWE]

And as long as Turkey is not in the EU, you will have no chance for a solution.

Considering Turkey currently facing more towards the Arab's than the west (thanks to the AKP), anything is possible now.

Sorry Shahmaran, but it's the other way round.

The only way you can have any power over Turkey is IF Turkey insists on joining the EU, where you can blackmail her for the entry, or if she is in the EU therefore having to respect another EU members identity by having to follow EU laws.

If you ask me, I would hate to see Turkey in the EU, I think she should just put a hold on all negotioations, and then what will you do?

No one is blackmailing Turkey.

If Turkey wants to join the EU, then Turkey must meet all of the chapters set by the EU.

If there are any barriers stopping Turkey joining EU then it is up to Turkey to address and resolve them in a sensible and pragmatic way.

If addressing some of these barriers is unpallitable to Turkey, then yes, Turkey should halt negotiations.

Where will this leave free Cypriots? When looking at the current situation, it will make absolutley no difference to the RoC, but will be TCs that will be affected most by Turkey's policy towards the north.

You spoke just like an EU politician Ed.

But we all know that this is a classic book definition of blackmail, done mutually.

If Turkey decided to halt the EU negotiations, then you have nothing, 0.

When are you going to learn that joining the EU is not a negotiation, but a process.

You only think that Turkey is being blackmailed because you are under the misguided perception that Turkey needs to negotiate its way into the EU.

Turkey needs to follow the EU ascention process like all other candidate states and meet the criteria of the EU chapters - simple.

I don't give a monkies whether or not Turkey halts its EU negotiations, but I do believe that Turkey can be in the EU within 5 - 10 years.

do you think France and Germany would agree with you?

France worry about Turkey joining as it is still an agricultural country and they done want to see any more loss of the CAP and Germany worry due to the population and how this will mean it will lose influence in the EU parliament.

[Tony-4497]

Acikgoz

I actually agree with the points you made, as explained in my note above.

That said, I found the quote from Zaman almost amusing.. surely, they are not suggesting that Turkey is doing us a favour by NOT seeking recognition for "TRNC".. and there's me thinking that this is what it's been trying to achieve - unsuccessfully - for the past 30 years..

[Bananiot]

Acikgoz, I do not really understand what you mean when you say that I see the wood for the trees? Nevertheless, at the moment, one can see a desperate dash to the line by both sides as November approaches. Christofias rushed to make a packet of suggestions which he tried clumsily to sell to the international community, in order to prove that we are the party that truly wants solution. Yet, he will not give up the Pap rhetoric of "no asphyxiating time limits and no arbitration" indicating that he is in two minds about solution. While on this subject, it is worth noting that the GC side does not have a unifying position as to the type of solution we are after. Yes, as ridiculous as it may sound, after 36 years we are not sure of the kind of solution we want. One person who certainly does not mince his words and has stood against Federation is Archbishop Chrysostomos. However, in this inexplicable place we live, today he accused Turkey of not being sincere in its adherence to Federation!

I think that Turkey will remain ahead of us on the issue of who is burning for solution. All Turkish diplomats point out to 2004 to make the point that the Turkish side wants but the Greek side declines. Christofias cannot reverse this trend and the good old days when everything could be blamed on Denktash's intransigence are gone, for ever it seems. At the moment we are simply contented to appease the public opinion within Cyprus but this gets us nowhere, of course. We are incapable of making a dynamic approach to the matter, one that will test the intentions of Turkey. The nationalists still blame the "good boy" policy we are supposed to be following and Archbishop Chrysostomos said today that Turkey needs to hear tough language. His latest invention has been playing all day by all stations all over Cyprus and nobody dares tell him to shut it and stop meddling with state matters.

[Viewpoint]

Bananiot we can all sense that something is a brewing and I dont think its going to be to the liking of one of the sides. Erdoğan has spoken clearly that time is running out and by the end of the year everyone will go their own way.

[Me Ed]

And as long as Turkey is not in the EU, you will have no chance for a solution.

Considering Turkey currently facing more towards the Arab's than the west (thanks to the AKP), anything is possible now.

Sorry Shahmaran, but it's the other way round.

The only way you can have any power over Turkey is IF Turkey insists on joining the EU, where you can blackmail her for the entry, or if she is in the EU therefore having to respect another EU members identity by having to follow EU laws.

If you ask me, I would hate to see Turkey in the EU, I think she should just put a hold on all negotioations, and then what will you do?

No one is blackmailing Turkey.

If Turkey wants to join the EU, then Turkey must meet all of the chapters set by the EU.

If there are any barriers stopping Turkey joining EU then it is up to Turkey to address and resolve them in a sensible and pragmatic way.

If addressing some of these barriers is unpallitable to Turkey, then yes, Turkey should halt negotiations.

Where will this leave free Cypriots? When looking at the current situation, it will make absolutley no difference to the RoC, but will be TCs that will be affected most by Turkey's policy towards the north.

You spoke just like an EU politician Ed.

But we all know that this is a classic book definition of blackmail, done mutually.

If Turkey decided to halt the EU negotiations, then you have nothing, 0.

When are you going to learn that joining the EU is not a negotiation, but a process.

You only think that Turkey is being blackmailed because you are under the misguided perception that Turkey needs to negotiate its way into the EU.

Turkey needs to follow the EU ascention process like all other candidate states and meet the criteria of the EU chapters - simple.

I don't give a monkies whether or not Turkey halts its EU negotiations, but I do believe that Turkey can be in the EU within 5 - 10 years.

do you think France and Germany would agree with you?

France worry about Turkey joining as it is still an agricultural country and they done want to see any more loss of the CAP and Germany worry due to the population and how this will mean it will lose influence in the EU parliament.

There will reach a point in Turkeys ascention process where there will be absolutley no justification to keep Turkey out of the EU.

What will happen then is France and Germany will change the voting rules of course!

[Bananiot]

Only fools cannot see that it is to the interests of all of us for Turkey to become a full and proper member of the EU.

[Tony-4497]

Only fools cannot see that it is to the interests of all of us for Turkey to become a full and proper member of the EU.

ONLY if she first consents to a solution that is acceptable to both GCs and TCs.

If any RoC president makes the grave mistake of allowing her in in the hope that she will behave afterwards (yes, history shows that we tend to elect thick leaders..), then you can kiss a solution goodbye.