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[ttoli]

It still amazes me that we are negotiotaing with bullies.

Turkey should first get rid of it troops and gypsies before we even think about discussing with tcs about property.

Just my two penneth; Peace talks are gonna fail, Turkey, having bankrolled the North for the past 36 years aren't about to knuckle under, under the unreasonable demands of the RoC, The North will "Officially" become a Turkish province even if it comes to armed conflict(Need you ask who'd be the victors ) and the GC's will carry on whinging, when,had they been reasonable with their demands got a share of the cake.
Mark my words.

[Malapapa]

Specualation as to what he might say in that report focus on two possibilities – he will either declare the Cyprus problem unsolvable

Turkey is Cyprus's problem. How do you solve a problem like Turkey?

and put an end to this phase, or he will look for a new framework for discussion. The first is considered to be the ‘tough’ choice and least likely,

Sure. No one's going to fix Turkey yet. They have to piss Israel off a lot more before that can happen.

while the second opens the doors to a multi-lateral conference and a massive give and take bargaining which would probably lead to a negotiated partition

What can Turkey possibly give to Cyprus for their to be a "negotiated partition"?

[Jerry]

It still amazes me that we are negotiotaing with bullies.

Turkey should first get rid of it troops and gypsies before we even think about discussing with tcs about property.

Just my two penneth; Peace talks are gonna fail, Turkey, having bankrolled the North for the past 36 years aren't about to knuckle under, under the unreasonable demands of the RoC, The North will "Officially" become a Turkish province even if it comes to armed conflict(Need you ask who'd be the victors ) and the GC's will carry on whinging, when,had they been reasonable with their demands got a share of the cake.
Mark my words.

And not only will Turkey never join the EU but it will lose the preferential trade greements it currently enjoys. The Cyprus problem can never be legally resolved without the consent of the ROC.

[Malapapa]

It still amazes me that we are negotiotaing with bullies.

Turkey should first get rid of it troops and gypsies before we even think about discussing with tcs about property.

Just my two penneth; Peace talks are gonna fail, Turkey, having bankrolled the North for the past 36 years aren't about to knuckle under, under the unreasonable demands of the RoC, The North will "Officially" become a Turkish province even if it comes to armed conflict(Need you ask who'd be the victors ) and the GC's will carry on whinging, when,had they been reasonable with their demands got a share of the cake.
Mark my words.

0/10 - V. poor. See me.

[Nikitas]

"The North will "Officially" become a Turkish province "

Since the end of WWII it is accepted that no state can enlarge its territory through force. See the case of the Golan Heights, West Bank, Jerusalem and others. If it were possible the first to take advantage, with western blessings, woud have been the Israelis. That it has not happened there should tell you something.

The best Turkey can hope for is a satellite state in the north. But for that to happen it has to finally accept that it relinquishes any caim on the south and create a 70 mile official land frontier where none exists now on its southern "soft underbelly" as Turkish general like to spout in the ramblings. Over half of the "unsinkable air craft carrier" which is Cyprus will be beyond their reach forever.

Are you sure Turkey wants such a situation? Haven't you read Davutoglu's brilliant scenario about "strategic depth"? You should get more dunces like him to organize your neo Ottoman empire.

[wyoming cowboy]

how about all refugees reclaim their properties, and Turkey remove its troops, and all goes on as if nothing had happened in the past 36 years

[miltiades]

Two options if talks fail

Eventually, your options will be twofold…

1. Paddle back to Turkey.

2. Swim back to Turkey.

So the only difference between your options is having or not having a craft.

THIRD OPTION.
Fly back to Turkey on the back of....pigs !

Classic signs of the desire for ethnically cleansing of Cyprus of Turkish Cypriots if they don't fit into the maximalist GC political aspirations.

We have your number Miltiades - watching you.

Acikgoz I think you missed totally the point I was making which was one of sarcasm at the comments made by Plonker GR.
In other words when pigs fly .... you have heard this expression surely if not please ask me to elaborate further !!

[Acikgoz]

Allowed a pass on that one then, a little too cryptic for me I'm afraid.

[Bananiot]

The north is a Turkish province right now Nikitas, and whether this is official or unofficial it makes little difference. One does not need to be a political genius to predict what will happen if the Cyprus case is declared unsolvable. Turkey does not need to stake a claim to the south as some like to believe. Some sort of recognition will be afforded to the north which will grow into a major antagonist to the south. Tourism will flourish on account of cheaper deals, better, unspoiled beeches and more humane approach by the Turks who are more polite and European than their GC counterparts.

What is intriguing will be the fate of the south. Will the TC's who opt to stay or move to the south reclaim their position as stated by the Constitution? In the meantime, of course, not a single refugee will have returned home, not a single Turkish soldier would have gone back and not a donum of land would have been returned. The 70 mile border with Turkey obviously will not be a problem of Turkey but a constant cause of concern for the GC's, unless of course we evolve into a super power.

Nikitas, where you really trying to scare the Turks with your last post?

[Tony-4497]

The north is a Turkish province right now Nikitas, and whether this is official or unofficial it makes little difference. One does not need to be a political genius to predict what will happen if the Cyprus case is declared unsolvable. Turkey does not need to stake a claim to the south as some like to believe. Some sort of recognition will be afforded to the north which will grow into a major antagonist to the south. Tourism will flourish on account of cheaper deals, better, unspoiled beeches and more humane approach by the Turks who are more polite and European than their GC counterparts.

What is intriguing will be the fate of the south. Will the TC's who opt to stay or move to the south reclaim their position as stated by the Constitution? In the meantime, of course, not a single refugee will have returned home, not a single Turkish soldier would have gone back and not a donum of land would have been returned. The 70 mile border with Turkey obviously will not be a problem of Turkey but a constant cause of concern for the GC's, unless of course we evolve into a super power.

Nikitas, where you really trying to scare the Turks with your last post?

Bana

You are assuming of course that Turkey is not interested in ever joining the EU. Solving the Cyprus Problem in a way acceptable by 50%+ GCs at referendum is a necessary but not sufficient condition for Turkey's entry. The ONLY reason Turkey accepted the AP was its EU path (it tried to get it out of the way at an early stage and "on the cheap" - it would cost her much more just before joining the EU, if and when she gets there).

Without EU entry for Turkey, agreeing any solution with her is pointless as she will simply have no incentive to honour it - she would simply delay and link her obligations to its own EU path. This means we get nothing back AND we lose control of the RoC.