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[MrH]

Christofias unforgivable crimes make partition the only solution

By Loucas Charalambous

Published on August 8, 2010

SOME TIME ago I wrote that President Christofias’ bizarre handling of the Cyprus problem had led him into a labyrinth from which it is impossible to find a way out.He illustrated the point at Tuesday’s national council meeting at which he complained that the positions submitted byDervis Eroglu at the talks were “worse than the Annan plan’s”. His belated admission confirms the lamentable failure of his policy. If he had not killed off the Annan plan, Eroglu would not have been able to submit proposals that were ‘worse’.It takes fathomless audacity to claim, on the one hand, that the Annan plan is dead and, on the other, using it as measure of the proposals made in the latest talks. As it is dead and buried, Eroglu is entitled to submit whatever proposals he feels like at the talks. Unless of course we meant that it is dead for us, but alive for the Turkish Cypriots.Back in 2004, this column had argued that the UN settlement plan was a unique opportunity and that nothing similar would ever again be offered to us. Those who opposed the plan, however, insisted that with the help of the European Union, Cyprus would have secured a much better deal.The six years that passed since then, have shown how correct we ‘yes-voters’ were and how much damage was done by the assortment of political pygmies – a prominent figure among them was Christofias. Today, both he and his party concede that the whole world, with the EU at the forefront, considers us responsible for the permanence of the problem and that north will before long be given ‘Taiwan status’ – a warning the column was making all along.Someone should therefore inform the president that if Eroglu is now tabling proposals that were worse than those of the Annan plan, the man who made it possible was Christofias. There are three reasons to back this: first, he ensured the election of Tassos Papadopoulos at the most unsuitable time; second, he led AKEL into rejecting the Annan plan; third, when he became president, instead of trying to neutralise the negative consequences of the above-mentioned political crimes, he committed a third – insisting on the talks starting from scratch.This was his biggest blunder. Rather than seek a settlement, using the Annan plan as the basis, he entered the dark labyrinth of re-negotiating the Cyprus problem from the beginning at a time when Mehmet Ali Talat had only two years left in power. And his motives were very dubious. On the one hand, he was not in a hurry to sign a deal because he wanted to enjoy his time as president, while on the other he did not want to lose the support of DIKO and EDEK for the sake of a settlement. How else would he have secured another term?This is the plain truth. Christofias should not be expressing big surprise today over Eroglu’s proposals. He should instead look at how the problem can be resolved in the only way, unfortunately, left open to us – partition. Only complete fools can now hope for even the Annan plan to re-appear.The only choice we have left, thanks to Christofias’ unforgivable political crimes, is, unfortunately, to agree on partition. It is probably the only way out of the labyrinth for him, and it would also satisfy Garoyian, Omirou, Lyssarides and the rest of the Turk-hunters

[Get Real!]

THANK You Loucos Charalambous

You're not wrong there...

[B25]

Loucas Charalambous is a jumped up little prick. He poor journorlism reflects his inept understanding of any matters never mind difficult political ones.

He is a nobody, trying to be a somebody. The president uses the term ' worst than the Ankara Plan' in the context that if we already refused such pathetic demands in the Ankara Plan, why the hell would we accept even more ridiculous proposals.

Only poor Loucas, trying so hard to make a name for him self as being a bulshy piece of shit shot himself in the foot.

What an absolute idiot, my only advice to him is becareful on the roads, they are dangerous places.

[Bananiot]

Of course, Loucas Charalambous tells the truth, which is so obvious that even toddlers of political science could understand.

There are three reasons to back this: first, he ensured the election of Tassos Papadopoulos at the most unsuitable time; second, he led AKEL into rejecting the Annan plan; third, when he became president, instead of trying to neutralise the negative consequences of the above-mentioned political crimes, he committed a third – insisting on the talks starting from scratch.This was his biggest blunder. Rather than seek a settlement, using the Annan plan as the basis, he entered the dark labyrinth of re-negotiating the Cyprus problem from the beginning at a time when Mehmet Ali Talat had only two years left in power.

The above speaks volumes on the mistakes Chrostofias committed, just to appease his DIKO partners in government. It looks like he is only interested at securing another term. He can do it only with the support of DIKO. Some naive people think that he has the Cyprus problem at his heart but of course he will need another term.

The bird flew in 2003, when Christofias made Papadopoulos President. In 2004, Papadopoulos told us to reject the plan that was supported by all international institutions because in a week's time, when we became full members of the EU, we could achieve a better, European solution.

Of course, there were those that fell for his lie, but others, the arch fascists and nationalists, believed and still believe that the current situation is better than any solution that will give equal status to the TC's in the running our of country. They even believe that partition is better. Papadopoulos himself admitted during a speech in Helsinki that partition is the next best solution.

[cymart]

so why don't all those people who are closet-partitionists just come out and admit it?They may well find that they have far more support than they ever imagined!
At the end of the day,the present status-quo has only a few months left so if its not a BZF then that is the only other option....

[Nikitas]

One more time I ask:

Exactlly how is BBF with or without the Annan plan different from partition?

It is obvious since 1977 when we officially accepted the principle of BBF that we accept partition. Bizonality equals partition. Bicommunality equals apartheid, Federation equals partnership of the north in the south, but the guarantees part stops the reverse from applying.

So why the lament by Charalambous and others like him?

So partition it has been since 1974 and partition it will be from now on, where is the alternative? Anyone ever suggested it and I missed it?

[Kikapu]

One more time I ask:

Exactlly how is BBF with or without the Annan plan different from partition?

It is obvious since 1977 when we officially accepted the principle of BBF that we accept partition. Bizonality equals partition. Bicommunality equals apartheid, Federation equals partnership of the north in the south, but the guarantees part stops the reverse from applying.

So why the lament by Charalambous and others like him?

So partition it has been since 1974 and partition it will be from now on, where is the alternative? Anyone ever suggested it and I missed it?

There are huge differences, Nikitas, between BBF based on True Federation and True Democracy and the BBF in name only but in reality a partition plan under Confederation and non Democratic the Annan plan was. If there were no differences, then the "trnc" and Turkey would accept the True Federation and not demand on Confederation, despite the agreements made were to be under BBF as in Federation. why do you think all the NeoPartitionists are upset that the AP was shot down.? If they could achieve the same results with the True Federation, they would be supporting it. If true Federation was not secure and would bring about partition, we would have had few states in the US already partitioned from the union by now. This is the reason why Turkey is holding out, in the hopes that Confederation can be accomplished and not True Federation. They came very close in 2004. I don't think they will get another chance now that the RoC is in the EU.

[Bananiot]

BBF is the only option left for us to save Cyprus and it is gone past the time where we could engage in meaningless mind exercises. Nikitas proposes that BBF in general is just another name for partition. This is absolutely ridiculous, because he gives the impression that he merely looks at the two zones and bingo, he thinks of partition! However, the basis on which BBF stands has been sorted out a long time ago by the Makarios-Denkash agreements of the late 70's and has been reflected in all solution plans since then. In all solution plans and the Annan Plan, it is especially noted that the central government will have such power as to safeguard the unity of the country taking into account the bicommunal nature of the state. The principle of political equality of the two communities and the two federal zones, also is found in all solution plans, and has been reiterated in a number of Security Council resolutions.

Kikapu, you talk about neopartitionists who you claim are upset because the Annan Plan was rejected. I remember that the people who opened champagne bottles at the rejection of the plan by the GC community, were Denktash and the deep state in Turkey who thanked the GC's for saving the TRNC.

[Kikapu]

BBF is the only option left for us to save Cyprus and it is gone past the time where we could engage in meaningless mind exercises. Nikitas proposes that BBF in general is just another name for partition. This is absolutely ridiculous, because he gives the impression that he merely looks at the two zones and bingo, he thinks of partition! However, the basis on which BBF stands has been sorted out a long time ago by the Makarios-Denkash agreements of the late 70's and has been reflected in all solution plans since then. In all solution plans and the Annan Plan, it is especially noted that the central government will have such power as to safeguard the unity of the country taking into account the bicommunal nature of the state. The principle of political equality of the two communities and the two federal zones, also is found in all solution plans, and has been reiterated in a number of Security Council resolutions.

Kikapu, you talk about neopartitionists who you claim are upset because the Annan Plan was rejected. I remember that the people who opened champagne bottles at the rejection of the plan by the GC community, were Denktash and the deep state in Turkey who thanked the GC's for saving the TRNC.

The deliberate facade by Denktash after the AP had to continue, Bananiot. If Denktash was pretending to be against the AP before the referendum, the deliberate impression that was portrait was that the AP had to be good for the GCs and bad for the TCs. It was a trick to manipulate the outcome of the referendum, which some GCs bought into it, and when the GCs said OXI, you would hardly expect for Denktash to say, "Why didn't you GCs fall for my trick". Denktash used the OXI vote then to do some bragging that his attempts being against the plan was to save the "trnc" and was thankful for the GCs for saying OXI. It was nothing but a face saving attempt for himself, or else why would his followers are now still demanding everything in the open, what the AP had it hidden. There is nothing different what Eroglu is demanding than what the AP was offering. Why isn't Denktash and all the NeoPartitionist now refusing what Eroglu and Turkey demanding.?? Sorry Bananiot, but you seem to have more faith in the truthfulness spoken by a Fascist than I would..

The AP was a Partition Plan because despite what you stated here from above "In all solution plans and the Annan Plan, it is especially noted that the central government will have such power as to safeguard the unity of the country taking into account the bicommunal nature of the state.", the central government did NOT have such powers in the AP. The AP gave all three entities equal say in how the country was going to be run, so if one Federal state said we want things to be done this way or the other way or leave the union, it would have been their right. This is not what happens in True Federations, where the laws of the Federal states cannot supersede the laws of the Federal Government. That's why this was not a True Federation but a Confederation. That was the only way to have the partition desired by either side if one wanted, which there were takers.!

Here is what the AP said.

The {common state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {component states} under this Constitution. Each {component state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {common state} or the other {component state} under this Constitution. There shall be no hierarchy between the laws of the {common state} and those of the {component states}.



Once again,

"There shall be no hierarchy between the laws of the {common state} and those of the {component states}."

Basically it means, it was free for all to do as they wished.!

[zan]

BBF is the only option left for us to save Cyprus and it is gone past the time where we could engage in meaningless mind exercises. Nikitas proposes that BBF in general is just another name for partition. This is absolutely ridiculous, because he gives the impression that he merely looks at the two zones and bingo, he thinks of partition! However, the basis on which BBF stands has been sorted out a long time ago by the Makarios-Denkash agreements of the late 70's and has been reflected in all solution plans since then. In all solution plans and the Annan Plan, it is especially noted that the central government will have such power as to safeguard the unity of the country taking into account the bicommunal nature of the state. The principle of political equality of the two communities and the two federal zones, also is found in all solution plans, and has been reiterated in a number of Security Council resolutions.

Kikapu, you talk about neopartitionists who you claim are upset because the Annan Plan was rejected. I remember that the people who opened champagne bottles at the rejection of the plan by the GC community, were Denktash and the deep state in Turkey who thanked the GC's for saving the TRNC.

The deliberate facade by Denktash after the AP had to continue, Bananiot. If Denktash was pretending to be against the AP before the referendum, the deliberate impression that was portrait was that the AP had to be good for the GCs and bad for the TCs. It was a trick to manipulate the outcome of the referendum, which some GCs bought into it, and when the GCs said OXI, you would hardly expect for Denktash to say, "Why didn't you GCs fall for my trick". Denktash used the OXI vote then to do some bragging that his attempts being against the plan was to save the "trnc" and was thankful for the GCs for saying OXI. It was nothing but a face saving attempt for himself, or else why would his followers are now still demanding everything in the open, what the AP had it hidden. There is nothing different what Eroglu is demanding than what the AP was offering. Why isn't Denktash and all the NeoPartitionist now refusing what Eroglu and Turkey demanding.?? Sorry Bananiot, but you seem to have more faith in the truthfulness spoken by a Fascist than I would..

The AP was a Partition Plan because despite what you stated here from above "In all solution plans and the Annan Plan, it is especially noted that the central government will have such power as to safeguard the unity of the country taking into account the bicommunal nature of the state.", the central government did NOT have such powers in the AP. The AP gave all three entities equal say in how the country was going to be run, so if one Federal state said we want things to be done this way or the other way or leave the union, it would have been their right. This is not what happens in True Federations, where the laws of the Federal states cannot supersede the laws of the Federal Government. That's why this was not a True Federation but a Confederation. That was the only way to have the partition desired by either side if one wanted, which there were takers.!

Here is what the AP said.

The {common state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {component states} under this Constitution. Each {component state} shall fully respect and not infringe upon the powers and functions of the {common state} or the other {component state} under this Constitution. There shall be no hierarchy between the laws of the {common state} and those of the {component states}.



Once again,

"There shall be no hierarchy between the laws of the {common state} and those of the {component states}."

Basically it means, it was free for all to do as they wished.!

So Denktas outwitted the Un and the EU and the USA because they were all thinking that the OXI vote was going to come from the TCs and in the process PROMISED the Gcs EU admission whatever the outcome of the referendum. Shame they then blamed Tpap for tricking them and using USA money to promote the OXI vote from the GCs side.


You have no idea what the "nationalists are saying about Eroglu at the moment so please stop your claims that you do.....his name is mud at the moment because he is not delivering what he promised and has been sucked into the BBF scam.