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[Get Real!]

Nikitas, there’s nothing more depressing than seeing once normal Cypriots turned into perfect Greek scatology orators!

[Nikitas]

GR, you are confusing me. And others too I reckon.

[Get Real!]

GR, you are confusing me. And others too I reckon.

Not even Bananiot, the arch-xenomanic was impressed with your jovial Hellenic peddling!

I really don’t know what to think anymore… but what I do know is that Greece may well have accomplished irreparable damage to this country… far more devastating than that done by Turkey.

[Nikitas]

You are so far into this Choirokitian trip you cannot see straight.

What was said in my posts is that Greece has destroyed more than Cyprus, all communities of overseas Greeks were either directly (Asia Minor) or indirectly (Egypt, Lebanon, Black Sea) destroyed. Greeks cannot accept that Greek people can be out of their centralised control and yet be viable and serious communities.

Cyprus is suffering the results of this process of total control or nothing.

As a Choirokitian you might think that you are different from Pontians, Greeks of Egypt, etc, but the result is the same regardless of theories.

[cymart]

The trouble is that the U.N. is not in itself a superpower and cannot enforce its resolutions unless the major powers back them-this has been proven so many times over the decades and Cyprus is just one example.
As it stands,nobody is going to force a country like Turkey with so much economic and strategic significance for powers such as the West and Russia etc. to bend to the will of a few hundred thousand Greek-Cypriots,regardless of what is morally right or how many resolutions have been passed....the inability to understand this unfortunate reality has led the Greek Cypriot leadership to make the wrong decisions on so many occasions.Whether we like it or not,might becomes right with the passage of time,as we can see here.

[Bananiot]

Cymart, it makes me wonder why this simple reality cannot be understood. Despite the resolutions the UN tells us to negotiate an agreement. Negotiations mean give and take and certainly not implementation of resolutions.

GR and Nikitas, why do you always blame others for our predicament? Wasn't it the GC's who wanted enosis here and now in the early 50's? Aren't we still proud of our "enotiko" referendum in which over 96% voted for enosis? Didn't Greece at the time tell us to lay off because Greece was "breathing with two lungs, one American and the other British"? Wasn't it the Greek Cypriot Parliament (The TC depudants had already left) who voted unanimously for enosis in 1964?

It is all very convenient to blame others for all our shortcomings but this practice is turning sour.

[cymart]

And now we will be forced to taste it very soon by making one of two choices,neither of which will be pleasant or comply with what we kept saying we wanted.......Partition or a revised version of what we rejected in 2004,no ifs or buts this time!

[halil]

have a look what Erdoğan said last ight from Turkish TV screenns

“We did our part at the referendum but the Greek Cypriot Side did not, therefore no one should expect more from us. It’s the last chance for the Greek Cypriot Side to take necessary steps for an agreement otherwise they will not be able to continue the negotiations with us”

[cymart]

That's how the rest of world sees it too...Turkey is winning kudos,while the G.C's are too busy arguing amongst themselves at what is probably the most critical time in the islands history!The ins and outs of the Annan Plan and why they turned it down are not on the agenda and that is what should concern people!

[Nikitas]

Bananiot said: "Negotiations mean give and take and certainly not implementation of resolutions.

GR and Nikitas, why do you always blame others for our predicament? "

I have never bamed others for our predicament, but I have blamed our past leadership for not understanding the seriousness of statehood and the use of power.

As for concessions- the GC side entered the current phase of talks with a double pronged concession, the rotating presidency and the right of 50 000 settlers to remain as citizens of the future state. How much more can be conceded?

Let me list a few concessions we are making- no change in the SBA status, no insistence on proportiona territory and coastline apportionment, rejection of the one man one vote system in central government, unilateral demilitarization of the future state, and the list goes on. Yet I cannot name ONE SINGLE point on which Talat or Eroglu have taken a single step back from the stated Turkish positions.

I really would like to know on which point exactly is our leadership standing firm and unyielding and can be seen to be blocking the progress of these talks?