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Postby Bananiot » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:15 am

Nikitas, if my history does not fail me, all the wars with Turkey were started by Greece, the latest being in 1919 in which Venizelos (also known as 2-5-4) went for Megali Ellada, but only managed a megali catastrophe. Nikitas, if you lived in Cyprus you would know of the predicament of the national guard, in which our youngsters would do anything to keep away from. It is a folly to believe that we can match Turkey in armaments but even suggesting that we can reach such a state of preparedness where we could hold out for a few days (what will happen afterwards, the cavalry will save us?) only fuels the fantasies of the fanatics who have proven in the not so distant past how much damage they are capable on inflicting on us, while riding the patriotic high ground.

Nikitas, do you think that it is to the interest of present day Turkey to occupy the whole of Cyprus? Don't you think that we should concentrate everything we have on finding a political solution that will safeguard the long term interests of Cyprus? We are not in position to play with fire any more. Look at us, we needed the Americans and the dreaded Brits to save our skin in 1964 and 1967 and yet we did not learn. We deliberately kept the issue open despite numerous chances for an agreed solution until it boiled down to a showdown. We did away with our strong weapon and opted for our Achilles heel, the military option.

You write:

There is NOT A SINGLE instance of people or nations claiming their freedom from lesser adversaries. Freedom is always won against superior forces- French revolution, American revolution, wars of liberation of Greece, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania, Egypt, Kenya, Vietnam, the list is endless. And just as endless is the list of victims who lost everything because of appeasement.


The above sounds like an essay we used to write at school. It sounds nice, it gets wild applause from all round, but has zero practical value. With the above you have shown that you too believe that only a liberation struggle will see us through. You confuse realism with appeasement and you list nations that achieved independence under different circumstances in different eras. For example, Greece, Romania, Serbia, Bulgaria, when not fighting each other, they tore the flesh of the Ottoman Empire when it was fading away, but only with the help of the West. The Brits, if you read about the events back then, did a great job in training the Greek sailors during the Balkan wars, making the Greek fleet practically invincible.

Cyprus has not been making many friends lately. In fact we consider the great nations that are big players in our area as terrible foes. We have even managed to lose all our potential friends who were sympathetic to our cause, even in the institutions of which we are member.

Cyprus walks alone and only pragmatic political actions can save us now. We need to totally understand this and stop swaying between realism and fantasy. Simply, we cannot afford another blunder. And for those that were quick to forget about the Palestinian plight and our principled stance and started flirting with Israel, I say once more, you have lost your eligibility to talk about principles!
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:36 am

Bananiot wrote:Cyprus has not been making many friends lately.

You said the same thing 5 years ago! So what have you done in the last 5 years to alleviate that?
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:42 am

Retired ...
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:45 am

Bananiot wrote:Retired ...

You haven't done anything Bananiot other than criticize Cyprus almost on a daily basis.

Mmmmm....
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Postby zan » Mon Aug 16, 2010 11:46 am

Get Real! wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Retired ...

You haven't done anything Bananiot other than criticize Cyprus almost on a daily basis.

Mmmmm....


What have you done GR :? :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:28 pm

zan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Retired ...

You haven't done anything Bananiot other than criticize Cyprus almost on a daily basis.

Mmmmm....

What have you done GR :? :roll:

You’re asking a fanatic Cypriot Nationalist cum Choirokitian Fascist, who has been a staunch supporter and promoter of the RoC, and CNG army reservist, what he’s done? :lol:
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Postby zan » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:32 pm

Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Retired ...

You haven't done anything Bananiot other than criticize Cyprus almost on a daily basis.

Mmmmm....

What have you done GR :? :roll:

You’re asking a fanatic Cypriot Nationalist cum Choirokitian Fascist, who has been a staunch supporter and promoter of the RoC, and CNG army reservist, what he’s done? :lol:
:lol: :lol: Well that gives you the comparison to answer the question you asked Bananiot....If outside powers were going to make friends I think they would give you a miss!!! :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:40 pm

zan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
zan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Bananiot wrote:Retired ...

You haven't done anything Bananiot other than criticize Cyprus almost on a daily basis.

Mmmmm....

What have you done GR :? :roll:

You’re asking a fanatic Cypriot Nationalist cum Choirokitian Fascist, who has been a staunch supporter and promoter of the RoC, and CNG army reservist, what he’s done? :lol:
:lol: :lol: Well that gives you the comparison to answer the question you asked Bananiot....If outside powers were going to make friends I think they would give you a miss!!! :roll:

Outside powers can be “friends”? That’s news to me! :lol:

Zanny, there is only ONE language with which you make “friends” (read those that fear & respect you) and that’s a wielding stick (the bigger the better).
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:48 pm

Criticising stupidity in Cyprus GR, stupidity and nothing else.
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Postby Nikitas » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:49 pm

Bananiot said:

"You confuse realism with appeasement and you list nations that achieved independence under different circumstances in different eras"

Collectively we have accepted BBF. Personally I see BBF as camouflaged partition but am willing to go along, as long as it contains a minimum of fairness and realism. Fairness in the division of territory, realism in that it will be set up so as to prevent a repeat of 1963 and 1974.

Obviously in a Fair and Realistic BBF there will be disarmament of Cyprus. Every other nation in the area will keep their armed forces and will individually and collectivey violate the air space, marine territory and EEZ of Cyprus at will, but since BBF mandates becoming the boxing sack of the area so be it.

Until BBF happens, and as long as there is occupation, it would be both unrealistic and downright idiotic to decrease military spending. It we allow Turkey to exert the same miliitary pressure on the island with fewer troops because we disarm, ie with 5000 instead of 40 000 we become total schmucks. One of the reasons that there is some pressure on Turkey to move for a settlement is the expense of maintaining four dvisions on the island.

Bananiot, next time you talk with a military man ask him about the expense of having to keep 400 tanks in working order, or two military airports at full operational capability and do that overseas with a 80 mile logistic chain and you will understand the kind of pressure the CNG is exerting on Turkey. It is an expense it can do without.

Now to suggest some realism to the other side. Accept that a post settlement Cyprus will not be in your area of influence, but at the same time it will not come under the influence of any adversary (real or imagined), and then we can move towards a solution. As long as there are silly theories about "soft underbellies" , "unsinkable air craft carriers" etc we get nowehere.
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