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Nikitas

One more time I ask:

Exactlly how is BBF with or without the Annan plan different from partition?

It is obvious since 1977 when we officially accepted the principle of BBF that we accept partition. Bizonality equals partition. Bicommunality equals apartheid, Federation equals partnership of the north in the south, but the guarantees part stops the reverse from applying.

So why the lament by Charalambous and others like him?

So partition it has been since 1974 and partition it will be from now on, where is the alternative? Anyone ever suggested it and I missed it?

Am with you on this one. All points put forth above are partition, apartheid and discrimination. Positive discrimination will lead to further problems down the track.

Chrostofias needs to leave the TC's behind and out of the negotiations and should concentrate instead on the UN and its failure to apply its own resolutions to the problem. The Cyprus problem can half be solved if the UN put pressure on Turkey to accept and adhere to all resolutions in relation to the Cyprus problem. We need a different tact. That will avoid issues such as backward proposals put forth by the TC leadership which I may ad is doing the right thing by the TC's he wants to achieve maximum for his community and you can't blame him for that. However, if the long term affects are better for the TC community that is up to them to make that decision or they could direct their leadership to a meaningful compromise and accepting some of the offers put forth by Christofias. The first one being Famagusta.

"Changing tact" as you put it, the GCs have tried everything over the last 36 years even joining the Eu in the hope that they will hand Cyprus to them on a plate, well we all know that didnt work. The UN does not care enough about Cyprus to place sanctions on Turkey that must tell you something, you are not 100% correct so they also side with Turkey and TCs which you can cclcearly see by their inaction.

[humanist]

VP

Changing tact" as you put it, the GCs have tried everything over the last 36 years even joining the Eu in the hope that they will hand Cyprus to them on a plate, well we all know that didnt work. The UN does not care enough about Cyprus to place sanctions on Turkey that must tell you something, you are not 100% correct so they also side with Turkey and TCs which you can cclcearly see by their inaction.

there you go who says TC's and GC's can't agree on anything. We have just agreed that UN don't give a shit about Cyprus. That includes the TC's in that.

Yes I do believe Christofias should change tact. Concentrate on the occupation of the country by Turkey is the beginning.

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Changing tact" as you put it, the GCs have tried everything over the last 36 years even joining the Eu in the hope that they will hand Cyprus to them on a plate, well we all know that didnt work. The UN does not care enough about Cyprus to place sanctions on Turkey that must tell you something, you are not 100% correct so they also side with Turkey and TCs which you can cclcearly see by their inaction.

there you go who says TC's and GC's can't agree on anything. We have just agreed that UN don't give a shit about Cyprus. That includes the TC's in that.

Yes I do believe Christofias should change tact. Concentrate on the occupation of the country by Turkey is the beginning.

It would make no difference as no country or body is interested in helping him against Turkey...the only alternative he has is to compromise with TCs to find middle ground that would be accpetable to both sides. If he holds out any longer the international community will place the issue on a back burner for good and the TRNC will be upgraded...not long to go until the end of this year.

[Get Real!]

If he holds out any longer the international community will place the issue on a back burner for good and the TRNC will be upgraded...not long to go until the end of this year.

Then why don't you shut up and quit giving us a headache till the end of the year when the "TRNC" changes its name to "Panacea"!

[humanist]

That is what your banking on , becuase Downer gave a time line suggestion ... your all counting on that ... there will be time before the trnc is given upgrade if any mate ...... lets see what happens in 4 months shall we. I suspect not much. And in four years your saviour Eroglu will be voted out and the story goes around again.

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If he holds out any longer the international community will place the issue on a back burner for good and the TRNC will be upgraded...not long to go until the end of this year.

Then why don't you shut up and quit giving us a headache till the end of the year when the "TRNC" changes its name to "Panacea"!

In your dreams

[Viewpoint]

That is what your banking on , becuase Downer gave a time line suggestion ... your all counting on that ... there will be time before the trnc is given upgrade if any mate ...... lets see what happens in 4 months shall we. I suspect not much. And in four years your saviour Eroglu will be voted out and the story goes around again.

As long as the GCs keep up this charade the talks will start to halt towards the end of this year. Downer is trying to tell you something your arrogance will not you see.

[Bananiot]

Humanist, what you are saying is that we should report the UN to the ... UN. You fail to realise the dire situation we are in, but you are in Australia. GR however is in Cyprus and he is hell bent on committing crimes against the Greek Cypriots. This geezer wants us to go to war with Turkey, how can one take him seriously? Nikitas and DT reckon we can match Turkey militarily and only the other day DT told us that we should shoot down Turkish fighter jets that fly over Cyprus. I am lost for words really, perhaps Greece should heed the advice of DT too and knock a few planes off the air.

[Nikitas]

"Nikitas and DT reckon we can match Turkey militarily "

I cannot speak for DT, but what I had said is that the National Guard must be trained and equipped to the point that it can resist any Turkish offensive for a few days.

On the wider point of whether any neighboring nation should prepare itself to meet any Turkish threat, the answers we get from history are obvious enough and no comment is necessary.

There is NOT A SINGLE instance of people or nations claiming their freedom from lesser adversaries. Freedom is always won against superior forces- French revolution, American revolution, wars of liberation of Greece, Serbia, Bugaria, Romania, Egypt, Kenya, Vietnam, the list is endless. And just as endless is the list of victims who lost everything because of appeasement.

Today, the man that Bananiot regards as a visionary Greek politician, George Papandreou is officially hosting his Israeli counterpart and one of the points of discussion will be the resumption of common exercises between the Greek and Israeli air forces. Would this topic be on the agenda if there weren't daily violations of Greek air space by the Turks?

Bananiot, I suggest you spend a few days in Kalymnos, or Agathonisi, and tell us what it is like to be woken at 6 am by jets screaming over your house at 300 meters.

[Tony-4497]

By stating that Christofias is responsible for the rejection of the Annan Plan, Loucas Charalambous is assuming that GCs are sheep that would follow anything a so-called "leader" says..

He is fucking clueless.. GCs vote for "parties" at elections because such parties are the criminal pimps who through violating the law and constitution control society in a million different ways (unless you can get "rousfeti" you are fucked - even when indisputable proof of "rousfeti" comes to light, the Attorney General plays dumb..). But when it comes to voting for the ultimate survival of GCs in Cyprus, the pimps' views have no weigth at all.

As everyone knows, Christofias voted Yes to the AP at the initial vote within AKEL. The reaction of AKEL voters is what changed this, together with the very clear message coming from GC public that such a plan cannot pass. He did the clever thing, which later landed him the presidency.

No politician can persuade GCs to accept a plan which gives away an unjustifiably high % of their land and their properties and does not provide enough security. Charalambous, and more importantly pimps, should understand this asap.