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[Paphitis]

All Cypriots need to stop fooling themselves and get a grip.

We currently have a President who gave a stirring speech on whether the Republic of Cyprus will exist in the future and whether GCs will exist on the island.

This has to be the biggest, most disastrous, and pessimistic Governments the entire world has seen in all history.

Can Cypriots afford to allow imbeciles like that rule the country? The answer is obvious!

[Tony-4497]

Bananiot

You fail to recognise that in the long term, the outcome can only be binary:

1. EITHER Turkey will keep moving towards, and eventually enter, the EU, or
2. OR it will not.

Under (1) Turkey will accept a fundamentally fair solution, which will also be acceptable to a majority of GCs (this cannot be the AP, or anything like it)

Under (2), Turkey will have absolutely no reason to "behave" in Cyprus - in fact, it is likely that the "West" will allow her to do all sorts of things to Cyprus as "compensation" for not getting the EU entry. Under scenario (2), any rational Turkish government will do 2 things:

(a) If an Annan-plan-type solution had been previously agreed, it will dishonour any and all obligations it undertook under this agreement (which means we will have lost control of the RoC and everything that goes with it and got absolutely nothing in return)

(b) Regardless of whether or not a solution was already put in place, and unless small Cyprus by that time has found a "protector", Turkey will intitiate conflict - and there are many ways to do this (e.g. use the tens - hundreds by then - of thousands of muslims Turkey keeps sending over to us, fabricate an attack etc). Although for the time being our EU membership provides enough security under the circumstances, this may well not be sufficient to stop Turkey under scenario (2).

On the basis of the above analysis, my view is that unless Turkey is willing to offer a decent and secure solution today, we are better off with the (bad and admittedly deteriorating) status quo - simply because the alternative is far worse.

[Get Real!]

People should accept that Bananiot is a fanatical Cyprus hater and as such he can never be reasoned with!

What you can do is expose and ridicule him. No need for anything else…


Btw, many also assume he is Cypriot… but is he?

[B25]

Bananiot

You fail to recognise that in the long term, the outcome can only be binary:

1. EITHER Turkey will keep moving towards, and eventually enter, the EU, or
2. OR it will not.

Under (1) Turkey will accept a fundamentally fair solution, which will also be acceptable to a majority of GCs (this cannot be the AP, or anything like it)

Under (2), Turkey will have absolutely no reason to "behave" in Cyprus - in fact, it is likely that the "West" will allow her to do all sorts of things to Cyprus as "compensation" for not getting the EU entry. Under scenario (2), any rational Turkish government will do 2 things:

(a) If an Annan-plan-type solution had been previously agreed, it will dishonour any and all obligations it undertook under this agreement (which means we will have lost control of the RoC and everything that goes with it and got absolutely nothing in return)

(b) Regardless of whether or not a solution was already put in place, and unless small Cyprus by that time has found a "protector", Turkey will intitiate conflict - and there are many ways to do this (e.g. use the tens - hundreds by then - of thousands of muslims Turkey keeps sending over to us, fabricate an attack etc). Although for the time being our EU membership provides enough security under the circumstances, this may well not be sufficient to stop Turkey under scenario (2).

On the basis of the above analysis, my view is that unless Turkey is willing to offer a decent and secure solution today, we are better off with the (bad and admittedly deteriorating) status quo - simply because the alternative is far worse.

Bravo re Tony, an excellent analysis.

Don't concern yourself too much with the traitor on this board, his aim is purely to undermine our efforts of liberation.

We need to keep up the arms and the government should impose further taxation to support this.

[Bananiot]

With such bash patriots around it is a wonder that Turkey still exists. They write these anonymous nonsense and think that they are engaging a struggle against Turkey, albeit from the comfort of their sofas. If they are men enough let them express their views openly in a newspaper and see what reception they get from the general public. I dare you Tony, and B25, and GR and Paphitis, to write your articles, sign them and send them to the newspapers, calling for an armed struggle against Turkey, or a war with Turkey or even preparation for war with Turkey. Let us see what reception the idea gets for giving bases to the Chinese and all these rubbish we are forced to read. Can you ever get yourselves to make such a move?

A few words on the last post by Tony. It is my belief that Turkey will eventually become a full member of the EU. This will not make the negotiation for a fair solution any easier as Tony thinks. Do not forget that the AP drafted by the UN was endorsed by the EU. At best, we will get a slightly better version, hopefully, but do not expect miracles. The time to improve the plan was 2003-2004 but at the time we thought that the EU will present us a better solution.

Your second scenario Tony, which B25 marked down as excellent, is hilarious to say the least. You seriously reckon that the West (why the inverted commas?) will encourage Turkey to turn the screw on the RoC. But the West, since it favours Turkey, as your little mind tells you, can please Turkey twice over by accepting Turkey into the exclusive club of EU. Do you mean that the West will on purpose deny Turkey's accession and give her Cyprus as a sweetener? This is just as absurd as the thought that the accession of Turkey will eventually be decided with the Cyprus issue in mind.

Now, tell us where Cyprus needs to look to find a "protector". If we are looking for a symbiotic relationship, what will we give in return to the "protector"? Okay, lets supposed we picked Russia (the blonde race that will liberate us) but will Russia jeopardise the huge financial deals with Turkey in order to protect a rock in the Mediterranean? I am sorry if I seem as though I am taking the mick, Tony, but this is just child talk. Actually, someone else, to be fair to you, some years ago, tried to mingle with the big boys and as a result we lost almost half of the island. I am not allowed to spell his name for he is a sacred cow and of course he meant well, tough luck we lost out.

Any way, you have eventually improved your proposal for an armed struggle against Turkey. You are saying, I think, that we should not go all alone, but we should drag some other hapless country which you christened as a protector, to do the fighting for us, provided Turkey gets a taste of the rest of Cyprus. Obviously, you do not care if the current situation continues for ever, as long as the Turkish army does not move over Limassol and Paphos way. I am going to be serious now:

IN MY VIEW THIS IS THE WORST IMAGINABLE TREASON AGAINST CYPRUS AND ITS PEOPLE. YOU ARE WILLING TO GIVE AWAY THE OCCUPIED PARTS AND ENDORSE THE INEVIDABLE, THAT IS THE CREATION OF TWO STATES, JUST AS DENKTASH HAS BEEN CALLING SINCE 1974. YOUR NEW IDEA THAT WE SOULD MAKE A MOVE ONLY IF TURKEY MAKES A MOVE FOR THE SOUTH IS A GIFT TO THE TURKISH NOTIONALIST BY A GC NATIONALIST.

[insan]

People should accept that Bananiot is a fanatical Cyprus hater and as such he can never be reasoned with!

What you can do is expose and ridicule him. No need for anything else…


Btw, many also assume he is Cypriot… but is he?

He is a real Cypriot with a contemporary, broad mind which is something also makes him a citizen of the globalized world!

Had there been ten thousands of Bananiots on both sides of Cyprus; there would have been no Cyprus problem between TCs, GCs, Greeks and Turks...

Then most probably there would have been a Cyprus problem between the allies, Russia and some Arab countries... Most probably Cyprus would have become a "terrorist target" constantly being tried to be destabilized... the cross-road of the interest conflict of East and West...

[Get Real!]

He is a real Cypriot with a contemporary, broad mind which is something also makes him a citizen of the globalized world!

That's actually one of the tale-tell signs... Cypriots don't have a "broad mind"... they have a Cypriot one!

[zan]

He is a real Cypriot with a contemporary, broad mind which is something also makes him a citizen of the globalized world!

That's actually one of the tale-tell signs... Cypriots don't have a "broad mind"... they have a Cypriot one!

Only when faced with the possibility of facing up to the truth!!!! HEHAW!!!!

[Nikitas]

Bananiot said:

"lets supposed we picked Russia (the blonde race that will liberate us)". You read Liakopoulos????!!!!! You surprise me!!!

"OU ARE WILLING TO GIVE AWAY THE OCCUPIED PARTS AND ENDORSE THE INEVIDABLE, THAT IS THE CREATION OF TWO STATES, "

But that is precisely what Bizonal and Bicommunal mean. Two zones, ie partitioned, two communities, ie ethnically cleansed of the "other" community. What else can these two words mean?

Hard as I try to figure out if a GC can buy a house in the north post solution, if a GC can set up a business there, if a GC can live there , I get no answers. SO why is BBF not partition in a friendlier (or misleading) name? Perhaps calling it PMF, for Partitioned Monocommunal (one community per side) Federation might have been more honest.

[zan]

Bananiot said:

"lets supposed we picked Russia (the blonde race that will liberate us)". You read Liakopoulos????!!!!! You surprise me!!!

"OU ARE WILLING TO GIVE AWAY THE OCCUPIED PARTS AND ENDORSE THE INEVIDABLE, THAT IS THE CREATION OF TWO STATES, "

But that is precisely what Bizonal and Bicommunal mean. Two zones, ie partitioned, two communities, ie ethnically cleansed of the "other" community. What else can these two words mean?

Hard as I try to figure out if a GC can buy a house in the north post solution, if a GC can set up a business there, if a GC can live there , I get no answers. SO why is BBF not partition in a friendlier (or misleading) name? Perhaps calling it PMF, for Partitioned Monocommunal (one community per side) Federation might have been more honest.

You are ignoring the given situation and that people might work towards FULL unity if the honeymoon works out.......Stop taking things out of context!!!