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Postby boulio » Wed Sep 08, 2010 5:51 pm

1. The 28% figure initially discussed in the late 70s was HAND-IN-HAND with the 3 basic human rights that were conditions of the true Federation that Makarios accepted. In other words, TCs would administer 28% but half or more of the people and property within this area would be GCs, as GCs would have maintained all their properties. I would not have a problem with this arrangement.

2. Unfortunately, criminal GC leaders at later negotiations started to discuss restrictions on GC property rights in the TC-administered area WITHOUT demanding the respective reduction in the TC area. However, all such discussions were done behind the back of GCs and have been rendered null and void with the 2004 referendum, where GCs rejected this apporach, once and for all.

3. Thus, the only way forward is a reasonable compromise which might be found somewhere between 2 extremes which any objective observer will deem fair. These extremes are (a) True federation per (1) above i.e. 28% but all GCs keep their properties and (b) Full exchange of properties, so TC state is 12% of Cyprus, with all property owned by TCs. Any compromise/ "deals" to find middle ground should be done only by exchange and not compensation (as compensation is paid only by GCs and in any case noone can fund the purchase of say 16% of Cyprus and 45% of its coast).

4. The dilemma you and the Bananiots in this place are putting forward is ridiculous. There was a REASON that Turkey after 30 years of stating the Cyprob did not exist decided that it needed a solution. That reason still exists today and is explained in Birand's article mentioned in Politis.

Understand that IF Turkey will proceed towards the EU, then it will solve the Cyprob in a way that is ACCEPTABLE to the majority of GCs. On the other hand, if it will not, the best way foward for us is preparation for an armed struggle and forming alliances so that we are protected. Having an Annan-type "partnership" with a Turkey that is NOT entering the EU will be the end of us, because in such a case we will have given away the control of the RoC and got back nothing in return - and effectively become an unrecognised community heading straight for extinction.

You made your arguments in 2004 and are still bitter about the fact that 76% disagreed with you. Calling the 76% stupid will not make you right.



great post tony specially point one.Many people tend to forget that the 1977-78 agreements based the reasoning of a t/c state at 28-29% with the fact that after the 7-8%was given back to the g/c state that the remander of the g/c refugees would return under a t/c state in the north.
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Postby Bananiot » Wed Sep 08, 2010 8:29 pm

An armed struggle against Turkey ... from London! Get lost, idiot, wer value more our country than you and your likes.
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Postby wallace » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:18 pm

Bananiot wrote:An armed struggle against Turkey ... from London! Get lost, idiot, wer value more our country than you and your likes.


An armed struggle against Turkey from Limassol....will that do? OUR COUNTRY is not for sale!
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Postby Bananiot » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:24 pm

You lead and I will follow. Bloody fool ...
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:27 pm

Bananiot wrote:You lead and I will follow. Bloody fool ...

Country pimping is illegal Bananiot… read the UN Charter!
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Postby wallace » Wed Sep 08, 2010 10:31 pm

Bananiot wrote:You lead and I will follow. Bloody fool ...


Did you even read the proposals from the Turks lately? Who is the bloody fool here? My properties are not negotiable! Wake upl!!!! Only war will get these barbarians of this small piece of land which is called Cyprus. Why dont you read some history. Turks never give back what they confiscated with violence!
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Postby Bananiot » Thu Sep 09, 2010 6:05 am

One by one, all bloody fools uncovered.
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Postby Nikitas » Thu Sep 09, 2010 8:15 am

Bananiot, you talk about fools being uncovered. Do you think that this statement by Tony is foolish?

"Having an Annan-type "partnership" with a Turkey that is NOT entering the EU will be the end of us, because in such a case we will have given away the control of the RoC and got back nothing in return - and effectively become an unrecognised community heading straight for extinction. "

If you do think it is foolish can you tell us why?
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Postby wallace » Thu Sep 09, 2010 9:26 am

Nikitas wrote:Bananiot, you talk about fools being uncovered. Do you think that this statement by Tony is foolish?

"Having an Annan-type "partnership" with a Turkey that is NOT entering the EU will be the end of us, because in such a case we will have given away the control of the RoC and got back nothing in return - and effectively become an unrecognised community heading straight for extinction. "

If you do think it is foolish can you tell us why?


Because he thinks the Turkifying of Cyprus is a natural process and we should all accept it :lol:
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Postby Tony-4497 » Thu Sep 09, 2010 10:56 am

Bananiot wrote:An armed struggle against Turkey ... from London! Get lost, idiot, wer value more our country than you and your likes.


When arguments run out, Bananiot starts the abuse.. it's easy to do so online.. would be good if you could say that to my face - in fact, I recently moved back to Limassol so could meet you as early as this afternoon if you are up for it.

And read my posts more carefully before you start swearing.. I did not say we should initiate an armed struggle - I said that we need to start preparing for one, as this is what Turkey is likely to initiate if it is eventually not let in the EU (Turks not respecting their obligations under a "solution" will be the least of our worries).

A key part of this preparation, as mentioned above, would be to form proper alliances that can guarantee our safety (incl giving military bases to the EU "army" -if it gets there- France, even Russia or China).
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