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[Nikitas]

Bananiot saidQ

"Simitis, the Prime Minister of Greece for more than ten years, urged us to vote for the plan, along with other politicians in Greece."

"it is probably better if the two communities are separated, for the immediate future, into their respective geographical regions that are mutually decided"

Niow we are getting somewhere.

Simitis is also the politician who sank Greece in its worst financial crisis in its history. His being PM for any number of years does not give him any greater prestige or credibility.

The matter of geographic separation, no matter what you call it, is partition. Therefore, whether you call it BBF, status quo, confederation etc, it remains partition. The fault with the Annan plan is that it brought about partition while pretending it was not.

And as long as we are talking partition we have every right to insist that this partition is designed in such a way that it prevents future conflicts and limits the damage from events which are very probable, like the secession of the TC state after an agreement is signed, or the departure of the British bases.

Anyone who thinks that the TCs will not secede within ten years of an agreement is a fool. Taksim is a policy put in place and pursued at great cost for a century, it will not change because we sign any agreements.

[Nikitas]

"The north will be swarmed by more settlers - Turkey has done this before in other parts of the world - and the Turkish Cypriots will probably find sanctuary in the south where, they will claim back their properties in order to stay here or sell and go elsewhere, as EU citizens. Since we are bound by the EU acquis, we will share the south with the TC's per 1960 Constitution and those who think that we can achieve a better solution than the one provided by the Annan Plan better think again, but in a rational manner, if they can still think rationally."

Bananiot, you are implying that the EU will sit idly by, place all burdens of legality on the RoC, while recognising Turkey's territorial expansion at the expense of Cyprus. Without the excuse of the TCs there is no legal cover for Turkey, if we had today a return to the 1960 constitution and had a TC vice president and full participation of TCs in the government Turkey would not have a leg to stand on. However, since both sides seem to tacitly accept the premise of division, then let the division be as fair as possible and as secure as it can be made. Annan did neither.

[Bananiot]

GR

What was YOUR price Bananiot I wonder... for spending at least the last 5-6 years on forums defaming every successive government and/or representative of the RoC while holding a government job?

Utter rubbish, as always. I never held a government job and you know this very well. Even if I did, I would have never ended up to be a conformist idiot who stoops low in order to get by. I have always voiced my opinion and I will certainly continue to do so as long as I breath and it will take more than little fascists to shut me up.

[vaughanwilliams]

"The north will be swarmed by more settlers - Turkey has done this before in other parts of the world - and the Turkish Cypriots will probably find sanctuary in the south where, they will claim back their properties in order to stay here or sell and go elsewhere, as EU citizens. Since we are bound by the EU acquis, we will share the south with the TC's per 1960 Constitution and those who think that we can achieve a better solution than the one provided by the Annan Plan better think again, but in a rational manner, if they can still think rationally."

Bananiot, you are implying that the EU will sit idly by, place all burdens of legality on the RoC, while recognising Turkey's territorial expansion at the expense of Cyprus. Without the excuse of the TCs there is no legal cover for Turkey, if we had today a return to the 1960 constitution and had a TC vice president and full participation of TCs in the government Turkey would not have a leg to stand on. However, since both sides seem to tacitly accept the premise of division, then let the division be as fair as possible and as secure as it can be made. Annan did neither.

Just what leg does Turkey stand on at the moment? Are you saying that Turkeys continuing presence in Cy is legal, in any sense of the word? You wouldn't be referring to Article 3 of the ToG, by any chance?
"...each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty."
The "state of affairs" haven't been re-established, so Turkeys continuing presence, according to the ToG, is legal.

[Bananiot]

Nikitas, we shall soon find out, but I think you will be very surprised with the EU which of course will move according to the srtategic interests of the union in our area. This is how policy has been excercised throughout the centuries and the EU will certainly not be any different because we think that the Cyprus issue is a test of principle for international organisations.

[cymart]

Do not even dare to think of raising this subject at this stage because it will only complicate things even more!As part of an economy drive there is a possibility that the U.K. M.O.D. might consider closing Dhekelia at some stage and then handing over the territory to the Cypriots but certainly not Ay.Nic. because of its vital strategic signals installations.....the same goes for Akrotiri airfield and probably Episkopi,as well as the station on Mt.Olympus.These facilities are used for intelligence gathering and operations in what is still one of the most important and potentially volatile areas on the planet for western interests because of the Middle-East oil supplies.Meddling with these and trying to play superpower games has already done enough damage to the Cypriots!

[cymart]

I am really pleased that a Greek-Cypriot who is knowledgable and reputable has published this book because it expresses many of the things I have been trying to say on this site for the last couple of years,but which has offended some people who implied that as a forigner I do not understand the situation here etc.
As further proof of what I posted yesterday,the pathetic and childish public mud-slinging between the government and leader of DISY at a time which is crucial to the future of Cyprus is surely evidence of immaturity and reflects the poor quality of politicians running the country?
Whether they voted for Christophias or not,he is the person who is responsible for handling some of the most difficult negotiations which will decide the future of the island during the coming weeks and months and therefore surely he deserves full support?
Furthermore,what image of Cyprus is conveyed to other E.U. members and the rest of the world by their antics(if anyone still cares!)

[lola-tulip]

Nikitas, we shall soon find out, but I think you will be very surprised with the EU which of course will move according to the srtategic interests of the union in our area. This is how policy has been excercised throughout the centuries and the EU will certainly not be any different because we think that the Cyprus issue is a test of principle for international organisations.

Hallo Bananiot

Why do you think Turkey has the longest standing application, on the table, to join the EU? It has been Turkey's main foreign policy objective for decades. Why is it still denied them despite their great efforts to succeed?

[Bananiot]

For the sake of Cyprus, let us hope that Turkey becomes a full member of EU. I think Turkey is now very important for the EU and this will be mirrored in all decisions made.

[Nikitas]

VW said:"Are you saying that Turkeys continuing presence in Cy is legal, in any sense of the word? "

Not at all, I said that it is the TCs are the legal COVER, (not validation) of Turkey's occupation.