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[Nikitas]

OK, I can infer from the above that Bananiot considers the Annan plan the best possible deal and that the nature of BBF is whatever is contained in the Annan plan.

Only a geopolitical ingoramus would accept the Annan plan as a foundation of a BBF agreement or anything else.

One look at the territorial arrangements showed a GC sector cut in two or three pieces, the TC sectr being the only contiguous terrirorial and administrative piece of land on the island with a concentrated and geographically unified military command.

The plan instead of dealing with the bases issue, enhanced their status and gave them extended maritime and exclusive economic zones.

The annexes to the plan gave the Turkish armed forces a crushing firepower advantage in the interim period, which raised the question why this was necessary in a "peace plan".

It is sad to think that there are Cypriots who regard this plan as anything other than a preamble to formal secession by the TCs and fragmentation of the GC area. Like I said, you have to be geopolitcally naive to accept such an indefensible terrirorial arrangement, but that is lost on some people. You can have peace only if it is secure and defensible for all.

[Viewpoint]

OK, I can infer from the above that Bananiot considers the Annan plan the best possible deal and that the nature of BBF is whatever is contained in the Annan plan.

Only a geopolitical ingoramus would accept the Annan plan as a foundation of a BBF agreement or anything else.

One look at the territorial arrangements showed a GC sector cut in two or three pieces, the TC sectr being the only contiguous terrirorial and administrative piece of land on the island with a concentrated and geographically unified military command.

The plan instead of dealing with the bases issue, enhanced their status and gave them extended maritime and exclusive economic zones.

The annexes to the plan gave the Turkish armed forces a crushing firepower advantage in the interim period, which raised the question why this was necessary in a "peace plan".

It is sad to think that there are Cypriots who regard this plan as anything other than a preamble to formal secession by the TCs and fragmentation of the GC area. Like I said, you have to be geopolitcally naive to accept such an indefensible terrirorial arrangement, but that is lost on some people. You can have peace only if it is secure and defensible for all.

Can you tell us any benefits to the GCS?

[Bananiot]

Nikitas, I have writen my views time and time again but you still ask the same questions. May I remind you that 100 000 politically ignoramus GC's voted for the plan in 2004 as the best option to save Cyprus under the circumstances. And that after the daemonisation of the plan and Christofias's u turn.

[B25]

Nikitas, I have writen my views time and time again but you still ask the same questions. May I remind you that 100 000 politically ignoramus GC's voted for the plan in 2004 as the best option to save Cyprus under the circumstances. And that after the daemonisation of the plan and Christofias's u turn.

You keep harping on about this 100k people, but in actual fact the very large number of these people were not voting for the Ankara Plan, they voted because to poor souls thought they had a chance to get back their little piece of land at the expense of the whole country. Misreable barstards. I have extended family who I know for definate that did this and it is what actually happened.

So I suggest to change you tune about these people, the Ankara Plan was a capitulation of our country to the Turks, something I know you wish for, but we will never hand it to them that easily.

The AP is dead, dead, dead, dead,dead.

Should I remind you again, it is dead and for a very good reason. It was never going to work.

LC needs a rocket up the arse to put him on the straight and narrow, I am sick to death of his constant put downs of the GC community and his utmost support for the Turks. But then he is your kind of man a?

[Bananiot]

I feel betrayed and angry that our tough-talking president said he would veto Turkey if our conditions were not met, but changed his mind at the last minute. In fact he actually supported the beginning of Turkey-EU accession talks. I could not believe I saw him clapping and smiling when Turkey got its date. Bravo sou!

While Turkey will start talks next year, Cyprus will still be divided, its refugees unable to return to their homes, and our country will remain heavily militarised and under Turkish mainland occupation.

I voted against the Annan plan like most Greek Cypriots on the advice of our tearful president. He painted the impression that once we are firmly in the EU, we could practically force the Turks to accept our demands, securing us a solution we wanted. Why was I so misguided?

More importantly I have learnt one important lesson from the post-referenda events, that it is morally wrong for us Greek Cypriots to try to broker a deal with Ankara, while bypassing our Turkish Cypriot friends. It is an insult to our Turkish Cypriot friends, the people who voted for the reunification of our common country, to reject them.

We co-exist and our destiny is with the Turkish-Cypriots not with Turkey.
Let’s revive the Annan plan and begin talks. Next time we will vote a resounding YES.

Peter Antoniou, Bexley, Kent

P.S. Show me evidence that the majority of refugees voted for the plan.

[Oracle]

Bananarama ... the Cyprus Problem is not only about the refugees. We are all in this together, to do the best for Cyprus in the long run. The refugees are no different in their wishes to the rest of the GCs. So, stop trying to seed divisions where none exist!

[Bananiot]

Follow the debate, idiot!

they voted because to poor souls thought they had a chance to get back their little piece of land at the expense of the whole country. Misreable barstards.

They, are the refugees, idiot.

[Oracle]

Follow the debate, idiot!

they voted because to poor souls thought they had a chance to get back their little piece of land at the expense of the whole country. Misreable barstards.

They, are the refugees, idiot.

You asked for numbers! You stipulated a requirement for a "majority" of refugees voting for Annan Plan!

I stated there is no reason (as I have gleaned) that the refugees are any different in their wishes for a liberated Cyprus to the more fortunate GCs! You are the one (under instructions?) to sow the seeds of discord amongst a putative division of GCs!

[cymart]

between those who want partition if that is what the result of refusing to share power with the T.C's will mean as they believe that the way things are now suits them fine.......then there are those,refugees and non refugees who do not want partition with purely G.C and T.C. states on either side and of course those who know that a compromise will mean the return of what they lost in 1974.......
Try asking the average person in Paphos for example,what they think about the idea of Varosha being returned and eventually opening-up again,especially now that this area has had the worst tourist season for years and many small businesses are going bankrupt?
Greek Cypriots have been divided since 1974 as Hermes Solomon wrote in his excellent article in the Cyprus Sunday Mail on the 29th of August 'Living on the dark side of the moon.'

[Oracle]

Martin, would you stop spouting rubbish?

Greek Cypriots are not divided!

And who cares if Varosha ...

"has had the worst tourist season for years and many small businesses are going bankrupt?" !!!

We are talking about liberation of our whole island for all our people!