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[zan]

Kikapu,

That's just a load of unadulterated Crap!!!

Your now making excuses for any Black guy to go out and commit a violent street crime. Same goes for the argument about these black criminal's being poor.... So are many whites and Asians, but how many of them in proportion go out and commit VOILENT street crime, as a matter of their daily daily life??

So Think again about the Crap you come out with above, ....You couldn't be more wrong if you tried!!!!

Sorry mate but you are wrong...I work on council estates and have worked on them for over 30 years....There are estates now which are race based and they all suffer from the same ailment. There are Asian no go areas as well now. I see as many, if not more, Black families going to the church on sunday as I do Asians going to the Mosque on Fridays. I also see plenty of white families whose main problem is drugs. I have also had the privilege of meeting some very nice people also who seem to have survived all this going on around them so I don't mean to generalise.

[larnacaman]

zan,

Soooooo, Pray tell us why 50% of the street crime is committed by the Black community?? You are obviously in a unique position to shed some light on the matter!!!

[zan]

zan,

Soooooo, Pray tell us why 50% of the street crime is committed by the Black community?? You are obviously in a unique position to shed some light on the matter!!!

More of them in council flats and have been here longer.......When I was a teen, if you wanted drugs, you went to a blackman. If you wanted a car stereo you went to a "Cypriot".....There is still a lot of prejudice against the blacks and they are still reacting. I hear the racist remarks every day. If my white workmates are not having a go at the Eastern European workers then the black tenant gets it. We now have ONE young black guy in the firm that I contract off. Imagine how good I felt when one of my supervisors said to me, "Allen loves you know (The Boss) because we can now put you on our equal opportunity section and apply to more councils for contracts.

[larnacaman]

So it seems were now blaming 40 year old TV programmes now for UK's present day Violent Street crimes, ...jeezus what other straws are you lot going to catch hold of. hahaha,
I would hazard a wayward guess, that none of the present day offenders have ever seen an episode of ''Till Death do us Part''

Nothing to to with getting some easy money then, for those that have no intentions of gaining employment.... and everything to do with acquiring easy money for drugs???

[zan]

So it seems were now blaming 40 year old TV programmes now for UK's present day Violent Street crimes, ...jeezus what other straws are you lot going to catch hold of. hahaha,
I would hazard a wayward guess, that none of the present day offenders have ever seen an episode of ''Till Death do us Part''

Nothing to to with getting some easy money then, for those that have no intentions of gaining employment.... and everything to do with acquiring easy money for drugs???

We are talking cause and you are talking effect Larnacaman.........

[larnacaman]

I know what your trying to say Zan, it's just that i don't accept stuff that happened years ago, has any influence on these modern day hooligans that think nothing of threatening a mother, by holding a knife to her babies throat, in order to get her purse. and knowing that this bastard will harm her baby if he doesn't get what he wants!!!

Look, i've got some long standing black friends, in UK and throughout the world. Even they tell the same story, that the black youth of today in UK and in Europe as a whole are bone idle, lazy So and So's, that have no incentive to get on in life, just want easy money, listen to music, and get high on drugs. They are basically ashamed of there black youth, and what they stand for!!! So even the older black community are ashamed of there black youth of today. Even if they are in the minority, the high profile violent crimes, and the amount of them, tends to tar all of the black youth, with the same broad brush....

I know i'm generalising, there are a good many, if not the majority, that stay well clear of Any trouble, and go on to be everyday useful citizens. You will never hear about these people, they are probably the very same black people you see going to church on Sundays....

All this crap on here about years gone by, there families being poor, racism, ....does not hold any water with the type of violent street crimes and violent sex crimes, being committed by today's black youth. My late wifes father was a London policeman, being old school so to speak, he couldn't get over the total lack of conscience or remorse, from these black violent street crime offenders when they were caught. As he said they were only interested and only wanted to know, was going to happen to THEM!!

So sorry, ... in my eyes, Your just giving excuses, where there are None!!! ...

[Kikapu]

Ok here goes, Blacks in the UK ARE discriminated against, BECAUSE of their attitudes, I was born in Brixton (South London) in the 60's, the 1st wave of immigrants were decent people with strong moral and family values.

Consequent generations were pandered to(Yes even then!), afraid of offending them, a blind eye was turned by councils, schools etc and a vast majority of them, chose an easier life, because of increased crime and fear of, we moved out to Kent in 1971,some 30 Years later I was working for the Metropolitan Police in Lewisham's Control room where it really opened my eyes; TRUE FACTS (from true figures), 95% of Street Robberies are carried out, by "Those of a diverse ethnicity".

Just before I quit to move here, Lewisham Borough had a huge anti-Street Robbery initiative, Lewisham, Deptford, New Cross, Sydenham and Catford were flooded by TSG, stops galore revealed ;outstanding warrants,all mannner of Restricted drugs and weapons, but on the debrief, the excercise was deemed a Failure!!!!, Because Officers had not stopped a proportionate Number of White suspects!!!!. Rant over

My wifes nan used to run across the road to touch a blackmans hair for luck........I have heard that my wifes parents moved from the area they lived in because just one black family moved in....How else were these people to react

And how about TV shows like "Till Death Us Do Part", where it was a very racist show towards blacks and immigrants by calling them "wogs", so as you said Zan, what did the whites expect in return. People of colour only in the last 20 years or so have been able to start getting ahead in life in the white man's world. They were denied most of their basic rights for centuries. People steal and commit crimes because they do/did not have another alternative or treated as equal citizens.!

At last we agree


Except for the "Till death do us part" and the other program in the same vein "Love thy neighbor". Those programs were made to ridicule the racists but the normal white population were too thick to understand....

Well, Zan, the character "Alf Garnett" was always making racist and disparaging remarks towards blacks and immigrants. Granted, rest of his family did not support his views, but the damage was already done by him, no??

[Cap]

Larnacaman is right to a certain degree. You simply can't keep playing the race card anymore.
Western societies have bent over backwards to try and rectify the wrongs of the past.
You simply cannot excuse crimes like murder and rape which occur en masse, committed by blacks against other citizens and themselves and blame it on historical events that they've never experienced first hand.
Black folk have to start taking responsibility for their actions and start taking care of their communities.
Liberals have got to stop making excuses because they're only perpetuating the problem.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,

That's just a load of unadulterated Crap!!!

Your now making excuses for any Black guy to go out and commit a violent street crime. Same goes for the argument about these black criminal's being poor.... So are many whites and Asians, but how many of them in proportion go out and commit VOILENT street crime, as a matter of their daily daily life??

So Think again about the Crap you come out with above, ....You couldn't be more wrong if you tried!!!!

Really, it's all crap you say.!!

Blacks commit more crime than whites only because of Racism that they had to endure for decades and centuries, depending where they are. Just because the UK has been practicing political correctness nationally in recent history, it does not mean racism has gone away. Just because you have never experienced racism towards you or opportunities denied to you, it is not the same for everyone. As Zan said, you are totally ignoring the root cause of the problem and only looking at the effect of the problem.

Racism towards people of colour was condoned by the world before the early 80's. It was almost as if it was institutionalized, and people of today wonder why these people are the way they are, ignoring the fact that most came from broken and dysfunctional families because most never had a good family structure. Most come from single parent homes, who had to work and keep an eye on the children at the same time, which never works, so the kids are on the street doing drugs and joining gangs, which they then commit crimes. It is a domino effect that started long time ago, but some people just think it is only an excuse to commit crime to make money, which they think it is easier than working for it.

Why do you think African nations are very poor and underdeveloped, is because for centuries their young and strong were taken away as slaves to work to make the white man rich so that they can have all the privileges while the blacks had nothing but anger and hate or do you think people of African nations are just lazy and stupid by nature.. Yes, slavery is over, but the lost dignity taken from these people were never restored when the slavery was over. They were denied everything what most whites had and were not treated as equal citizens. I wonder how you would have come out had your race and ancestors went trough what the blacks along with other people of colour had to go through.

Expect things to get worse as jobs become scares and the haves gets richer more and the have nots gets poorer. The nations who practiced institutionalized racism throughout the centuries and never bothered to restore these peoples dignity by giving them a head start economically so to make them integrate into the society much easier, they were left to fend for themselves. You reap what you sew, and now you don't like the results. Deal with it.!

[larnacaman]

Kikapu,

That's a bigger load of CRAP you have come out with than was posted before!!!

We know all about the problems that stems from the past, were talking about NOW!! Forget that old crap, it's all well rehearsed rhetoric bullshit that had been played out for years by people like yourself.... There are NO EXCUSES that you could ever dream up that could litigate these useless but violent Thugs, ... NONE!!!

Were talking here about black youth that have experienced nothing of what your spouting about. They are what they WANT to be, hardened violent criminals. It's easy and lucrative money, they don't have to get up in the mornings, (unless they need drugs...) There not only a menace to the non-black population you fool, they will and do attack anyone that is vulnerable ...including there own!!!

There are now more guns and gun crime, than we have seen in the UK since the Irish problem!! Who do these guns belong too, ... black organised youth gangs, who are they predominantly shooting/killing?? Other black youth gangs, and anyone else that gets in there way, or happens to be in the wrong place at the wrong time....

Come down from Cloud Cuckoo Land, and Wake-Up and Smell the Coffee!!!!