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[zan]

It has nothing to do with race etc. For two generations so called "advanced societies" have been trasnferring the risk of violent crime to the victim. When communities take away the rights of self defence from the the law abiding and go to the extent of giving the assailant the right to sue his vicitm if he dares defend himself, then this signifies a moral decrepitude of society. Naturally there will be crime. The surprise woud be if there wasn't!

First, I would like to apologies for the garbled mess from me above....It was well past 2am and I should have been in bed. I still hope that I got my point across...


Nikitas

How does what you say help a 70 year old pensioner living on their own The law is there to prevent have a go heroes chasing thieves down the street and getting their heads bashed in in the process...It does not say you cannot defend yourself.

[Nikitas]

The theory which modern societies go to great pains to adopt and practice is the monopoly of force by the state.

The peope who subscribe to the above, and that includes almost all European politicians, leave out one fundamenta detail- all powers in a modern democracy are rooted in popular sovereignty. A police officer may use force because that power was DELEGATED to him by those that realy have it, the ONLY ones that have the power so they can delegate it: the CITIZENS.

The result of the above theory is the transfer of the crime risk to the victim. Leave your defence to the professionals is the motto of the Metropolitan police who also acknowedge that they cannot everywhere at once, and that their response time is on average 20 minutes. You can be cut up pretty bad in 20 minutes.

In 42 of the 50 states of the USA there are permits for citizens to go about armed with concealed weapons. An unimaginable state of affairs in "liberal" (funny word) Europe. In those states rape, assault and mugging rates have dropped way down. For the simple reason that the CCW permit brings the risk of the crime where it should always have been- with the criminal.

No, it is not ideall, but it works. And it is also practiced unwittingly in "liberal" Europe. If you are mugged and your dog takes on the criminals the media describe the dog as the "hero who saved his master" if you were to do wha the dog does god help you from "vigilante" style headlines. This is the state of affairs that stinks of moral decrepitude.

As for the 70 year old, just think of that happening in Istanbul and an old lady shouting "help" or "thief" and ask yourself what the response of the bystanders would be and ponder about the fate of the thief. Now think of the same situation in London. See what I mean!

[zan]

The theory which modern societies go to great pains to adopt and practice is the monopoly of force by the state.

The peope who subscribe to the above, and that includes almost all European politicians, leave out one fundamenta detail- all powers in a modern democracy are rooted in popular sovereignty. A police officer may use force because that power was DELEGATED to him by those that realy have it, the ONLY ones that have the power so they can delegate it: the CITIZENS.

The result of the above theory is the transfer of the crime risk to the victim. Leave your defence to the professionals is the motto of the Metropolitan police who also acknowedge that they cannot everywhere at once, and that their response time is on average 20 minutes. You can be cut up pretty bad in 20 minutes.

In 42 of the 50 states of the USA there are permits for citizens to go about armed with concealed weapons. An unimaginable state of affairs in "liberal" (funny word) Europe. In those states rape, assault and mugging rates have dropped way down. For the simple reason that the CCW permit brings the risk of the crime where it should always have been- with the criminal.

No, it is not ideall, but it works. And it is also practiced unwittingly in "liberal" Europe. If you are mugged and your dog takes on the criminals the media describe the dog as the "hero who saved his master" if you were to do wha the dog does god help you from "vigilante" style headlines. This is the state of affairs that stinks of moral decrepitude.

As for the 70 year old, just think of that happening in Istanbul and an old lady shouting "help" or "thief" and ask yourself what the response of the bystanders would be and ponder about the fate of the thief. Now think of the same situation in London. See what I mean!

If I were a thief, my response would be not to allow that 70 year old a chance to shout help....Instant violence would be called for to protect the thief.

I believe your example above was a Zero Tolerance by the police who are now giving advise to Uk police.....Arming the nation will only result in reducing petty crime and making sure the hardened criminals arm themselves even more putting the public and the police in greater danger.

[larnacaman]

apc2010.


apc2010 Wrote : cant be arsed to find it but i am preety sure you said you are happy they(mainlander's) do the menial work ....

You mean that you assumed, and therefore can't be arsed to find out you were WRONG!!

Commonsense, would tell you that a country brings in the initial immigrants to do the menial work, that it's own citizens don't want to do...
What your saying, is about as sensible, as buying a dog, and then barking yourself....

So don't assume, be sure and check before you post those sort of derogatory remarks.

By the way, ....is that the new way of spelling ''pretty'' as in ''preety''??

[kurupetos]

kurupetos,

Are you under the impression that all non-EU immigrants are E/European ?? Look around you have Asians Africans, Middle Eastern, to name but a few ....

Ha ha your in the EU now, and they tell you who you Must take in, as your quoter from hot spots around the world!!!

As long as they are not Jews, I don't care.

[Get Real!]

They produce more Nobel prize winners than any other ethnic group.

Nope! Here's how the clever plan works...

Anyone in the West who excels at anything worthwhile (Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Maths, etc) is gradually approached and courted by the AIPAC who ultimately invent and convince them of a Jewish link with their past. This serves two important goals...

1. The “Jews are very clever” narrative.
2. The constant support of Jewish (read Zionist) interests from the West.

[alex_ruffneck]

Anyone in the West who excels at anything worthwhile (Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Maths, etc) is gradually approached and courted by the AIPAC who ultimately invent and convince them of a Jewish link with their past. This serves two important goals...

Does this acually happen?

[Get Real!]

Anyone in the West who excels at anything worthwhile (Biology, Chemistry, Physics, Maths, etc) is gradually approached and courted by the AIPAC who ultimately invent and convince them of a Jewish link with their past. This serves two important goals...

Does this acually happen?

Absolutely! The Zionist PR catchphrase is…

“Everyone (worthwhile) is a Jew!”

Those people who have traveled to Israel and have met/liaised with Israelis/Jews will have noticed that the locals are nothing special… in fact they are the very typical Mediterranean Wog-like, hot blooded, short-tempered, uncivilized, loud-mouthed, and trouble-making peasants struggling with the 21st century!

Hardly the stuff of Nobel prizes!

[Nikitas]

Zan said:

"Arming the nation will only result in reducing petty crime and making sure the hardened criminals arm themselves even more putting the public and the police in greater danger."

Hardened criminals do not need anybody's permission to arm. In addition to the usual sources, firearms are very easy to make. Rape, robbery and assaut are not petty crimes, all three show reductions in areas where CCW permist are issued in the USA. A dramatic contrast between the US and the UK is in the rate of burglaries in occupied houses, it is somewhere near 13 to 1, attributed mostly the possession of arms by the law abiding in America. We often like to poke fun at them, but crime rates are down in the USA.

As to the reaction of bystanders, it is a well observed fact that in places like Turkey the shout of "thief" wil bring instant reaction by the bystanders because the general moral attitude justifies reaction. In the UK the public dare not react, they are afraidd they might find themselves sued by the thief or prosecuted by the police. When that happens the country is down the tubes, it has sold its ass to the criminals.

[Get Real!]

The Greeks and the Jews have used the same technique to expand their interests, with one slight difference that brought the opposite results…

The Jewish mentality… “Everyone (worthwhile) is a Jew!”

Result = Brought great people to their side that ensures their survival and progress.

The Greek mentality… “Everyone is Greek!”

Result = Brought any old Tom, Dick, or Harry (from Albania, etc) looking for greatness in Greek mythology ending in decline and bankruptcy!