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[Kikapu]

Kikapu said:

"but what will happen to them and their offspring if the RoC no longer accepts them as her citizens due to some agreed pact with the TC (Turkey) leaders for a permanent partition"

This and some other practical aspects of BBF and partition are intriguing. I have often posted them, not as rhetorica challenges but because I really want to know how others see the practical conseuquences of sepcific plans. It seems no one has any answers as to how things will work out in practice.

So what happens to the nationality issue in the event of partition? Are all TC RoC passport holders automatically deprived of RoC citizenship with no say in the matter? Aee they regarded as dual nationals? If there is dual nationality for one side, is it also extended to the other side?

The partitionist are under the impression that the north will become part of the EU as an independent soveregn state upon formal partiton, therefore they don't care about being citizens of the RoC any longer. I have news for them. The EU will not allow the north to become a EU member even if the RoC never used her veto, because by admitting the north as a sovereign state into the EU, they will in effect be letting Turkey into the EU via the north, the "Trojan Horse". The only way there can be any kind of BBF that will not allow the north state to secede, is BBF based on True Federation and True Democracy, which is what the north and Turkey does not want. They want the disguised partition plan as it was the case with the Annan plan. As my cousins husband said to me in Cyprus 3 years ago, "we did not vote for peace with the Annan Plan, we only voted for the plan".! Why do you think Turkey does not want a agreed partition as a solution post 2004 despite all the hot air Eroglu is spouting. The game plan has chanced since 2004. The only thing that is acceptable to Turkey, is another AP type of solution where she can have control of the north and south states and have influence in the EU via the north state.

I can see another OXI on the horizon if and when another referendum is put for a vote.

Personally, unless settlement is under BBF as I've described, nothing will happen and the status quo will continue until the time comes, if ever, that Turkey wants to become a EU member and the EU members are willing to let her in, but it will come at the extreme cost of the TCs in the north who will be told to them by Turkey for them to become a minority with minority rights in the RoC. ..!

[shahmaran]

almost every gc on this forum and kikapu cannot stand the idea of a tc prospering so they will cling to every avenue that hinders any progress of tc.
this will inevitably lead to a permanent and recognised partition and the end of turkey eu aspirations and I welcome it because i cannot trust the gc.when this happens there will be nothing to discuss.
i dont understand why people on this forum cannot see where cyprus is heading

Tell us with what are the TCs prospering in the north, Kentish.!

Is the prosperity mainly coming from selling stolen GC land.?? What will they do once they have exhausted all the stolen GC land.? What will they sell next to maintain their present "high lifestyles".? If wealth is not created but stolen, it has a limited shelf life before poverty strikes. At present, those who are able to go abroad with their EU passports can create wealth , but what will happen to them and their offspring if the RoC no longer accepts them as her citizens due to some agreed pact with the TC (Turkey) leaders for a permanent partition. The Turks will control all the major industries in the north, because they have the money. The TCs do not have the wealth to do very much. In time,it will be the TCs who will either become unemployed and looking for handout from Turkey again, because of the welfare system Turkey has already created in the3 north, or the TCs will be doing those cheap jobs that are done by the Turks.

Tell me how am I begrudging the TCs any economic success earned honestly.?? Am I not the one who supports BBF based on True Federation and True Democracy where everyone will be equal, and if the north returns 50% of the north back, the north state will remain mostly TCs and keeping 50% of power in the Upper House, which they can once again start a new beginning by being an "honest society" from the present "corrupted society". The question I have for you is, why do you reject the TCs being part of a "honest society" but want them to stay part of a "corrupted society".? Are you a morally corrupted individual, Kentish.??Just what is it that you stand to lose by being part of the "honest society"?? Are you holding stolen GC land, is that it.?? I'm just asking.!

Not all of us live off "stolen" property Kikapu, you seem to seriously ignore that like everyone else, ALL the time, and not everyone who has taken over GC property, which I believe is normal during war, actually sells it off to someone else.

Are you saying that no GC what so ever, uses TC property?

The property issue, hardly lies anywhere near to the real reason why we need a solution, but you and many GC's portray it as the most important part of the problem.

I truly wonder how much of a TC you really are, to even consider your own ancestors (if you have any) who might still live in the TRNC, as war mongering thieves.

Do you have any family in the North Kikapu and are they also using GC property?

[shahmaran]

Kikapu said:

"but what will happen to them and their offspring if the RoC no longer accepts them as her citizens due to some agreed pact with the TC (Turkey) leaders for a permanent partition"

This and some other practical aspects of BBF and partition are intriguing. I have often posted them, not as rhetorica challenges but because I really want to know how others see the practical conseuquences of sepcific plans. It seems no one has any answers as to how things will work out in practice.

So what happens to the nationality issue in the event of partition? Are all TC RoC passport holders automatically deprived of RoC citizenship with no say in the matter? Aee they regarded as dual nationals? If there is dual nationality for one side, is it also extended to the other side?

The partitionist are under the impression that the north will become part of the EU as an independent soveregn state upon formal partiton, therefore they don't care about being citizens of the RoC any longer. I have news for them. The EU will not allow the north to become a EU member even if the RoC never used her veto, because by admitting the north as a sovereign state into the EU, they will in effect be letting Turkey into the EU via the north, the "Trojan Horse".

How did you get to such conclusion?

Travel between Turkey and Cyprus, is not what it used to be.

Work permits and visas are much tighter now than they were before.

Turk's come in with a 1 month visa.

[Kikapu]

you are a stupid ignorent fool kikapu.i have no stolen land and i am whiter than white.i have nothing to prove to you.i am not saying tc are prospering.i am saying gc would do everything in their power to prevent tc from prospering as has been proved by their actions fom the 60's until now.they are incapable and unwilling to negotiate with tc because of the very word negotiate.negotiation means give and take and that is not what gc do.

no matter what you say life for a tc under gc rule in cyprus would be hellish and that is why they would rather take their chances with turkey

you or someone else tell me how unification to the satisfaction of both sides could be achieved.no chance.

as for stolen land and refugee gc,do me a favour , a war happened and what the result is ,is

If that's what you believe, then surely you must also accept that the GCs will do what ever is necessary to make the life of all those who have stolen their land as difficult as possible. So remind me again, Kentish, just what was it that you were bitching about.??

And yes, there can be a peaceful settlement under BBF based on True Federation and True Democracy only if you accepted those basic principles which I have proved it with the plan I gave you all last year. In case you have missed it, here it is.!

Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan.!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

[shahmaran]

you are a stupid ignorent fool kikapu.i have no stolen land and i am whiter than white.i have nothing to prove to you.i am not saying tc are prospering.i am saying gc would do everything in their power to prevent tc from prospering as has been proved by their actions fom the 60's until now.they are incapable and unwilling to negotiate with tc because of the very word negotiate.negotiation means give and take and that is not what gc do.

no matter what you say life for a tc under gc rule in cyprus would be hellish and that is why they would rather take their chances with turkey

you or someone else tell me how unification to the satisfaction of both sides could be achieved.no chance.

as for stolen land and refugee gc,do me a favour , a war happened and what the result is ,is

If that's what you believe, then surely you must also accept that the GCs will do what ever is necessary to make the life of all those who have stolen their land as difficult as possible.

Whats new, as if they started to do that AFTER they lost their stuff....

[Viewpoint]

you are a stupid ignorent fool kikapu.i have no stolen land and i am whiter than white.i have nothing to prove to you.i am not saying tc are prospering.i am saying gc would do everything in their power to prevent tc from prospering as has been proved by their actions fom the 60's until now.they are incapable and unwilling to negotiate with tc because of the very word negotiate.negotiation means give and take and that is not what gc do.

no matter what you say life for a tc under gc rule in cyprus would be hellish and that is why they would rather take their chances with turkey

you or someone else tell me how unification to the satisfaction of both sides could be achieved.no chance.

as for stolen land and refugee gc,do me a favour , a war happened and what the result is ,is

If that's what you believe, then surely you must also accept that the GCs will do what ever is necessary to make the life of all those who have stolen their land as difficult as possible. So remind me again, Kentish, just what was it that you were bitching about.??

And yes, there can be a peaceful settlement under BBF based on True Federation and True Democracy only if you accepted those basic principles which I have proved it with the plan I gave you all last year. In case you have missed it, here it is.!

Kikapu's "BBF" Power Sharing Plan.!

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

Its disguised capitulation, hes trying to sell us out.

[kentish]

i am not bitching about anything kikapu,the events that have happened have caused what we have.nothing will ever result in gc and tc living in peace as equals in cyprus.i like the present situation because i can travel to cyprus whenever i want to and not be abused by officials in gc airports and i can shop and eat in restaurants without a gc in sight.thats the way i like it buddy.
i have gained nothing from the partition in fact my father has lost a section of land becuase we are so close to the border,so you can stop portraying me as some sort of thief
as for your plan for the use it is you can stick it you know where.and finally stop pretending and admit you are a gc. why dont you have a holiday in aya napa i am sure you will enjoy yourself with your mates

[Get Real!]

as for stolen land and refugee gc,do me a favour , a war happened and what the result is , is

When did TCs win a war? Whenever they got cocky they got their arses whooped in 63 and then again 67, so they finally called mommy Turkey to come and save them remember?

So don’t come here and LIE that you won a war and are therefore entitled to other people’s property because you don’t deserve jackshit!

[shahmaran]

as for stolen land and refugee gc,do me a favour , a war happened and what the result is , is

When did TCs win a war? Whenever they got cocky they got their arses whooped in 63 and then again 67, so they finally called mommy Turkey to come and save them remember?

So don’t come here and LIE that you won a war and are therefore entitled to other people’s property because you don’t deserve jackshit!

If you don't want to LOOSE stuff, then you don't FIGHT people.

That's how it works.

Or if you are happy to fight people, then don't start bitching about loosing stuff

[zan]

as for stolen land and refugee gc,do me a favour , a war happened and what the result is , is

When did TCs win a war? Whenever they got cocky they got their arses whooped in 63 and then again 67, so they finally called mommy Turkey to come and save them remember?

So don’t come here and LIE that you won a war and are therefore entitled to other people’s property because you don’t deserve jackshit!

To carry on the childish talk.........Who was that big guy dressed in blue and white that YOU were standing behind ugly