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[Kikapu]

Not all of us live off "stolen" property Kikapu, you seem to seriously ignore that like everyone else, ALL the time, and not everyone who has taken over GC property, which I believe is normal during war, actually sells it off to someone else.

I have never made the statement that all TCs live off or in GCs stolen properties, Shah. Where on earth did you get that idea from.? I have always separated all those TC refugees living in the GCs properties to those who actually buy and sell stolen GCs properties. There is a huge difference.

Are you saying that no GC what so ever, uses TC property?

No, I'm not saying that. Of course some GC refugees uses TC properties in the south. The difference is, they have not been given titles to them to do as they wish with it, as the case is in the north. Also, TCs properties are protected from buying and selling them fraudulently, unless they are sold by their TC owners. Any others trying to sell TCs properties are prosecuted. Is not the same in the north. In fact, the "trnc" is encouraging in selling and buying stolen GCs properties. They are being complicit in that crime . How many times does the ECHR needs to state that the original owners of the properties belonging to the refugees in the north (and south) are still the owners.

The property issue, hardly lies anywhere near to the real reason why we need a solution, but you and many GC's portray it as the most important part of the problem.

If you look at the reasons in solving the problem to reach a settlement however, property and territorial lines are the most difficult one and most important to both sides. One of the main reasons why one sides wants a True Federation with True Democracy and the other wanting a Confederation and a "Democracy" in name only.

I truly wonder how much of a TC you really are, to even consider your own ancestors (if you have any) who might still live in the TRNC, as war mongering thieves.

So what are you saying, Shah, that unless I accept violations of others Democratic and Human Rights, I can't be a TC. Are you then not saying that the TCs are Racist and Fascists because unless one is, they cannot be a TC.! Be careful how you think a TC should act like, because if you did that, trust me, it does not look very pretty for the TCs.

I do not call those living in the north war mongering thieves, even though there are quiet a few in the north are. I call the north a "corrupted society" in general, which it is. It does not mean that all those in the north are war mongering thieves. Far from it.!

Do you have any family in the North Kikapu and are they also using GC property?

I have quiet a few family members who are not only using GCs properties, but also some who have bought and sold GCs properties. Those who buy and sell GCs properties are morally corrupted and these individuals will never want a solution based on True Federation and True Democracy, because it would mean given back their ill gotten gains. I do not have a problem with TC refugees using GCs properties as a means to have a roof over their heads. I do have a problem with those who engage in Haram Money, even if they are family members.!

So you are in favour of the GCs getting back their land and holding on to their ill gotten government......I think the accusation stands

I don't even know what it is that you are talking about, but then again,you don't even know what it is that you are talking about.!!

You already know what I support. BBF based on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Law, and EU Principles which will benefit all the Cypriots under one country, one citizenship and one International voice. Compromises will need to be made on land and property issues where it's necessary, but outright "land grab" will not be allowed.!

[zan]

Not all of us live off "stolen" property Kikapu, you seem to seriously ignore that like everyone else, ALL the time, and not everyone who has taken over GC property, which I believe is normal during war, actually sells it off to someone else.

I have never made the statement that all TCs live off or in GCs stolen properties, Shah. Where on earth did you get that idea from.? I have always separated all those TC refugees living in the GCs properties to those who actually buy and sell stolen GCs properties. There is a huge difference.

Are you saying that no GC what so ever, uses TC property?

No, I'm not saying that. Of course some GC refugees uses TC properties in the south. The difference is, they have not been given titles to them to do as they wish with it, as the case is in the north. Also, TCs properties are protected from buying and selling them fraudulently, unless they are sold by their TC owners. Any others trying to sell TCs properties are prosecuted. Is not the same in the north. In fact, the "trnc" is encouraging in selling and buying stolen GCs properties. They are being complicit in that crime . How many times does the ECHR needs to state that the original owners of the properties belonging to the refugees in the north (and south) are still the owners.

The property issue, hardly lies anywhere near to the real reason why we need a solution, but you and many GC's portray it as the most important part of the problem.

If you look at the reasons in solving the problem to reach a settlement however, property and territorial lines are the most difficult one and most important to both sides. One of the main reasons why one sides wants a True Federation with True Democracy and the other wanting a Confederation and a "Democracy" in name only.

I truly wonder how much of a TC you really are, to even consider your own ancestors (if you have any) who might still live in the TRNC, as war mongering thieves.

So what are you saying, Shah, that unless I accept violations of others Democratic and Human Rights, I can't be a TC. Are you then not saying that the TCs are Racist and Fascists because unless one is, they cannot be a TC.! Be careful how you think a TC should act like, because if you did that, trust me, it does not look very pretty for the TCs.

I do not call those living in the north war mongering thieves, even though there are quiet a few in the north are. I call the north a "corrupted society" in general, which it is. It does not mean that all those in the north are war mongering thieves. Far from it.!

Do you have any family in the North Kikapu and are they also using GC property?

I have quiet a few family members who are not only using GCs properties, but also some who have bought and sold GCs properties. Those who buy and sell GCs properties are morally corrupted and these individuals will never want a solution based on True Federation and True Democracy, because it would mean given back their ill gotten gains. I do not have a problem with TC refugees using GCs properties as a means to have a roof over their heads. I do have a problem with those who engage in Haram Money, even if they are family members.!

So you are in favour of the GCs getting back their land and holding on to their ill gotten government......I think the accusation stands

I don't even know what it is that you are talking about, but then again,you don't even know what it is that you are talking about.!!

You already know what I support. BBF based on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Law, and EU Principles which will benefit all the Cypriots under one country, one citizenship and one International voice. Compromises will need to be made on land and property issues where it's necessary, but outright "land grab" will not be allowed.!

You going soft....Now you allow compromises Who are you to allow compromises and why not extend those compromises to the whole problem

[Kikapu]

Not all of us live off "stolen" property Kikapu, you seem to seriously ignore that like everyone else, ALL the time, and not everyone who has taken over GC property, which I believe is normal during war, actually sells it off to someone else.

I have never made the statement that all TCs live off or in GCs stolen properties, Shah. Where on earth did you get that idea from.? I have always separated all those TC refugees living in the GCs properties to those who actually buy and sell stolen GCs properties. There is a huge difference.

Are you saying that no GC what so ever, uses TC property?

No, I'm not saying that. Of course some GC refugees uses TC properties in the south. The difference is, they have not been given titles to them to do as they wish with it, as the case is in the north. Also, TCs properties are protected from buying and selling them fraudulently, unless they are sold by their TC owners. Any others trying to sell TCs properties are prosecuted. Is not the same in the north. In fact, the "trnc" is encouraging in selling and buying stolen GCs properties. They are being complicit in that crime . How many times does the ECHR needs to state that the original owners of the properties belonging to the refugees in the north (and south) are still the owners.

The property issue, hardly lies anywhere near to the real reason why we need a solution, but you and many GC's portray it as the most important part of the problem.

If you look at the reasons in solving the problem to reach a settlement however, property and territorial lines are the most difficult one and most important to both sides. One of the main reasons why one sides wants a True Federation with True Democracy and the other wanting a Confederation and a "Democracy" in name only.

I truly wonder how much of a TC you really are, to even consider your own ancestors (if you have any) who might still live in the TRNC, as war mongering thieves.

So what are you saying, Shah, that unless I accept violations of others Democratic and Human Rights, I can't be a TC. Are you then not saying that the TCs are Racist and Fascists because unless one is, they cannot be a TC.! Be careful how you think a TC should act like, because if you did that, trust me, it does not look very pretty for the TCs.

I do not call those living in the north war mongering thieves, even though there are quiet a few in the north are. I call the north a "corrupted society" in general, which it is. It does not mean that all those in the north are war mongering thieves. Far from it.!

Do you have any family in the North Kikapu and are they also using GC property?

I have quiet a few family members who are not only using GCs properties, but also some who have bought and sold GCs properties. Those who buy and sell GCs properties are morally corrupted and these individuals will never want a solution based on True Federation and True Democracy, because it would mean given back their ill gotten gains. I do not have a problem with TC refugees using GCs properties as a means to have a roof over their heads. I do have a problem with those who engage in Haram Money, even if they are family members.!

So you are in favour of the GCs getting back their land and holding on to their ill gotten government......I think the accusation stands

I don't even know what it is that you are talking about, but then again,you don't even know what it is that you are talking about.!!

You already know what I support. BBF based on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Law, and EU Principles which will benefit all the Cypriots under one country, one citizenship and one International voice. Compromises will need to be made on land and property issues where it's necessary, but outright "land grab" will not be allowed.!

You going soft....Now you allow compromises Who are you to allow compromises and why not extend those compromises to the whole problem :?

Such as what exactly, like violating others Democratic and Human Rights, so that one community has more rights than the other. If so, tell me which of your Democratic and Human Rights you are willing to give up, so that the GCs have more rights than you. I'm all ears.!!

[zan]

Not all of us live off "stolen" property Kikapu, you seem to seriously ignore that like everyone else, ALL the time, and not everyone who has taken over GC property, which I believe is normal during war, actually sells it off to someone else.

I have never made the statement that all TCs live off or in GCs stolen properties, Shah. Where on earth did you get that idea from.? I have always separated all those TC refugees living in the GCs properties to those who actually buy and sell stolen GCs properties. There is a huge difference.

Are you saying that no GC what so ever, uses TC property?

No, I'm not saying that. Of course some GC refugees uses TC properties in the south. The difference is, they have not been given titles to them to do as they wish with it, as the case is in the north. Also, TCs properties are protected from buying and selling them fraudulently, unless they are sold by their TC owners. Any others trying to sell TCs properties are prosecuted. Is not the same in the north. In fact, the "trnc" is encouraging in selling and buying stolen GCs properties. They are being complicit in that crime . How many times does the ECHR needs to state that the original owners of the properties belonging to the refugees in the north (and south) are still the owners.

The property issue, hardly lies anywhere near to the real reason why we need a solution, but you and many GC's portray it as the most important part of the problem.

If you look at the reasons in solving the problem to reach a settlement however, property and territorial lines are the most difficult one and most important to both sides. One of the main reasons why one sides wants a True Federation with True Democracy and the other wanting a Confederation and a "Democracy" in name only.

I truly wonder how much of a TC you really are, to even consider your own ancestors (if you have any) who might still live in the TRNC, as war mongering thieves.

So what are you saying, Shah, that unless I accept violations of others Democratic and Human Rights, I can't be a TC. Are you then not saying that the TCs are Racist and Fascists because unless one is, they cannot be a TC.! Be careful how you think a TC should act like, because if you did that, trust me, it does not look very pretty for the TCs.

I do not call those living in the north war mongering thieves, even though there are quiet a few in the north are. I call the north a "corrupted society" in general, which it is. It does not mean that all those in the north are war mongering thieves. Far from it.!

Do you have any family in the North Kikapu and are they also using GC property?

I have quiet a few family members who are not only using GCs properties, but also some who have bought and sold GCs properties. Those who buy and sell GCs properties are morally corrupted and these individuals will never want a solution based on True Federation and True Democracy, because it would mean given back their ill gotten gains. I do not have a problem with TC refugees using GCs properties as a means to have a roof over their heads. I do have a problem with those who engage in Haram Money, even if they are family members.!

So you are in favour of the GCs getting back their land and holding on to their ill gotten government......I think the accusation stands

I don't even know what it is that you are talking about, but then again,you don't even know what it is that you are talking about.!!

You already know what I support. BBF based on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Law, and EU Principles which will benefit all the Cypriots under one country, one citizenship and one International voice. Compromises will need to be made on land and property issues where it's necessary, but outright "land grab" will not be allowed.!

You going soft....Now you allow compromises Who are you to allow compromises and why not extend those compromises to the whole problem :?

Such as what exactly, like violating others Democratic and Human Rights, so that one community has more rights than the other. If so, tell me which of your Democratic and Human Rights you are willing to give up, so that the GCs have more rights than you. I'm all ears.!!

Partition........I believe thats just a compromise on land and they can have all the human rights they want....

[Kikapu]

Partition........I believe thats just a compromise on land and they can have all the human rights they want....

If the majority of Cypriots agree to partition their country, then so be it. Thus far the majority has said OXI to the AP.

But lets just say for the sake of argument that partition is agreed on, then what would you compromise on land percentages, considering the fact, that the TCs make up only 10% of the islands population. Again, I'm all ears, just because you are all for compromise just to have your partition.!

[zan]

Not all of us live off "stolen" property Kikapu, you seem to seriously ignore that like everyone else, ALL the time, and not everyone who has taken over GC property, which I believe is normal during war, actually sells it off to someone else.

I have never made the statement that all TCs live off or in GCs stolen properties, Shah. Where on earth did you get that idea from.? I have always separated all those TC refugees living in the GCs properties to those who actually buy and sell stolen GCs properties. There is a huge difference.

Are you saying that no GC what so ever, uses TC property?

No, I'm not saying that. Of course some GC refugees uses TC properties in the south. The difference is, they have not been given titles to them to do as they wish with it, as the case is in the north. Also, TCs properties are protected from buying and selling them fraudulently, unless they are sold by their TC owners. Any others trying to sell TCs properties are prosecuted. Is not the same in the north. In fact, the "trnc" is encouraging in selling and buying stolen GCs properties. They are being complicit in that crime . How many times does the ECHR needs to state that the original owners of the properties belonging to the refugees in the north (and south) are still the owners.

The property issue, hardly lies anywhere near to the real reason why we need a solution, but you and many GC's portray it as the most important part of the problem.

If you look at the reasons in solving the problem to reach a settlement however, property and territorial lines are the most difficult one and most important to both sides. One of the main reasons why one sides wants a True Federation with True Democracy and the other wanting a Confederation and a "Democracy" in name only.

I truly wonder how much of a TC you really are, to even consider your own ancestors (if you have any) who might still live in the TRNC, as war mongering thieves.

So what are you saying, Shah, that unless I accept violations of others Democratic and Human Rights, I can't be a TC. Are you then not saying that the TCs are Racist and Fascists because unless one is, they cannot be a TC.! Be careful how you think a TC should act like, because if you did that, trust me, it does not look very pretty for the TCs.

I do not call those living in the north war mongering thieves, even though there are quiet a few in the north are. I call the north a "corrupted society" in general, which it is. It does not mean that all those in the north are war mongering thieves. Far from it.!

Do you have any family in the North Kikapu and are they also using GC property?

I have quiet a few family members who are not only using GCs properties, but also some who have bought and sold GCs properties. Those who buy and sell GCs properties are morally corrupted and these individuals will never want a solution based on True Federation and True Democracy, because it would mean given back their ill gotten gains. I do not have a problem with TC refugees using GCs properties as a means to have a roof over their heads. I do have a problem with those who engage in Haram Money, even if they are family members.!

ttoli wrote:
Ok here goes, Blacks in the UK ARE discriminated against, BECAUSE of their attitudes, I was born in Brixton (South London) in the 60's, the 1st wave of immigrants were decent people with strong moral and family values.

Consequent generations were pandered to(Yes even then!), afraid of offending them, a blind eye was turned by councils, schools etc and a vast majority of them, chose an easier life, because of increased crime and fear of, we moved out to Kent in 1971,some 30 Years later I was working for the Metropolitan Police in Lewisham's Control room where it really opened my eyes; TRUE FACTS (from true figures), 95% of Street Robberies are carried out, by "Those of a diverse ethnicity".

Just before I quit to move here, Lewisham Borough had a huge anti-Street Robbery initiative, Lewisham, Deptford, New Cross, Sydenham and Catford were flooded by TSG, stops galore revealed ;outstanding warrants,all mannner of Restricted drugs and weapons, but on the debrief, the excercise was deemed a Failure!!!!, Because Officers had not stopped a proportionate Number of White suspects!!!!. Rant over

zan wrote:My wifes nan used to run across the road to touch a blackmans hair for luck........I have heard that my wifes parents moved from the area they lived in because just one black family moved in....How else were these people to react

KIKAPU WROTE:
And how about TV shows like "Till Death Us Do Part", where it was a very racist show towards blacks and immigrants by calling them "wogs", so as you said Zan, what did the whites expect in return. People of colour only in the last 20 years or so have been able to start getting ahead in life in the white man's world. They were denied most of their basic rights for centuries. People steal and commit crimes because they do/did not have another alternative or treated as equal citizens.!

[Kikapu]

Not all of us live off "stolen" property Kikapu, you seem to seriously ignore that like everyone else, ALL the time, and not everyone who has taken over GC property, which I believe is normal during war, actually sells it off to someone else.

I have never made the statement that all TCs live off or in GCs stolen properties, Shah. Where on earth did you get that idea from.? I have always separated all those TC refugees living in the GCs properties to those who actually buy and sell stolen GCs properties. There is a huge difference.

Are you saying that no GC what so ever, uses TC property?

No, I'm not saying that. Of course some GC refugees uses TC properties in the south. The difference is, they have not been given titles to them to do as they wish with it, as the case is in the north. Also, TCs properties are protected from buying and selling them fraudulently, unless they are sold by their TC owners. Any others trying to sell TCs properties are prosecuted. Is not the same in the north. In fact, the "trnc" is encouraging in selling and buying stolen GCs properties. They are being complicit in that crime . How many times does the ECHR needs to state that the original owners of the properties belonging to the refugees in the north (and south) are still the owners.

The property issue, hardly lies anywhere near to the real reason why we need a solution, but you and many GC's portray it as the most important part of the problem.

If you look at the reasons in solving the problem to reach a settlement however, property and territorial lines are the most difficult one and most important to both sides. One of the main reasons why one sides wants a True Federation with True Democracy and the other wanting a Confederation and a "Democracy" in name only.

I truly wonder how much of a TC you really are, to even consider your own ancestors (if you have any) who might still live in the TRNC, as war mongering thieves.

So what are you saying, Shah, that unless I accept violations of others Democratic and Human Rights, I can't be a TC. Are you then not saying that the TCs are Racist and Fascists because unless one is, they cannot be a TC.! Be careful how you think a TC should act like, because if you did that, trust me, it does not look very pretty for the TCs.

I do not call those living in the north war mongering thieves, even though there are quiet a few in the north are. I call the north a "corrupted society" in general, which it is. It does not mean that all those in the north are war mongering thieves. Far from it.!

Do you have any family in the North Kikapu and are they also using GC property?

I have quiet a few family members who are not only using GCs properties, but also some who have bought and sold GCs properties. Those who buy and sell GCs properties are morally corrupted and these individuals will never want a solution based on True Federation and True Democracy, because it would mean given back their ill gotten gains. I do not have a problem with TC refugees using GCs properties as a means to have a roof over their heads. I do have a problem with those who engage in Haram Money, even if they are family members.!

ttoli wrote:
Ok here goes, Blacks in the UK ARE discriminated against, BECAUSE of their attitudes, I was born in Brixton (South London) in the 60's, the 1st wave of immigrants were decent people with strong moral and family values.

Consequent generations were pandered to(Yes even then!), afraid of offending them, a blind eye was turned by councils, schools etc and a vast majority of them, chose an easier life, because of increased crime and fear of, we moved out to Kent in 1971,some 30 Years later I was working for the Metropolitan Police in Lewisham's Control room where it really opened my eyes; TRUE FACTS (from true figures), 95% of Street Robberies are carried out, by "Those of a diverse ethnicity".

Just before I quit to move here, Lewisham Borough had a huge anti-Street Robbery initiative, Lewisham, Deptford, New Cross, Sydenham and Catford were flooded by TSG, stops galore revealed ;outstanding warrants,all mannner of Restricted drugs and weapons, but on the debrief, the excercise was deemed a Failure!!!!, Because Officers had not stopped a proportionate Number of White suspects!!!!. Rant over

zan wrote:My wifes nan used to run across the road to touch a blackmans hair for luck........I have heard that my wifes parents moved from the area they lived in because just one black family moved in....How else were these people to react

KIKAPU WROTE:
And how about TV shows like "Till Death Us Do Part", where it was a very racist show towards blacks and immigrants by calling them "wogs", so as you said Zan, what did the whites expect in return. People of colour only in the last 20 years or so have been able to start getting ahead in life in the white man's world. They were denied most of their basic rights for centuries. People steal and commit crimes because they do/did not have another alternative or treated as equal citizens.!

And your point is what exactly.???

[zan]

Partition........I believe thats just a compromise on land and they can have all the human rights they want....

If the majority of Cypriots agree to partition their country, then so be it. Thus far the majority has said OXI to the AP.

But lets just say for the sake of argument that partition is agreed on, then what would you compromise on land percentages, considering the fact, that the TCs make up only 10% of the islands population. Again, I'm all ears, just because you are all for compromise just to have your partition.!

The majority in the South has said OXI.....The majority in the North has still to decide. A democratic equal political status.

Anyways...I gotta go watch a film with the Mrs....

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu you again bend with the wind to suit your cause which is to sell us out to GC domination...you have called us all the names under the sun and now you deny it, you claim that the north is corrupt and try and make out that the south is heaven on earth, when challenged you again bend with the wind and say they also have problems although they are a EU country run on EU principles and have democracy and respect human rights, so your offer is just out of the fat into the fire.....your are all over the place with your arguements and even very cleverly used metaphors use by zan bring out the pervert in you once again.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu you again bend with the wind to suit your cause which is to sell us out to GC domination...you have called us all the names under the sun and now you deny it, you claim that the north is corrupt and try and make out that the south is heaven on earth, when challenged you again bend with the wind and say they also have problems although they are a EU country run on EU principles and have democracy and respect human rights, so your offer is just out of the fat into the fire.....your are all over the place with your arguements and even very cleverly used metaphors use by zan bring out the pervert in you once again.

Calling the north a corrupted society is very accurate, taking into account how it came to be in existence. The term does not mean however, that everyone in the north is corrupted. Where ever did you get that idea from, other than perhaps your own guilty conscience. If you can't understand that very simple difference of the two, then don't blame me for your lack of understanding of the written English language..

Who ever said the south or any other True Democratic Nations do not have corruption in some form or another. The difference is, they do not have a corrupted society as the one in the north. Therefore understand the difference before you go on making unsubstantiated posts.!