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[gabaston]

Exactly. Why is part of Cyprus TC???

so you signed the constitution in 1960 giving tc equal power and u now ask tc why.

you explain why u signed, then you'll have your answer.

[Piratis]

so you signed the constitution in 1960 giving tc equal power and u now ask tc why.

So according to the constitution we signed which part of Cyprus was given to TCs?

There is no GC part and there is no TC part. There is a GC share and a TC share of this one Cyprus.

[bg_turk]

so you signed the constitution in 1960 giving tc equal power and u now ask tc why.

So according to the constitution we signed which part of Cyprus was given to TCs?

There is no GC part and there is no TC part. There is a GC share and a TC share of this one Cyprus.

Both sides have already agreed that the solution will be bizonal, and bicommunal. Am I wrong?

[Piratis]

Both sides have already agreed that the solution will be bizonal, and bicommunal. Am I wrong?

The only thing officially agreed so far was in 1960. Fortunately now for something to be agreed to replace the 1960 agreements it needs the approval of the people in a referendum. If that doesn't happen the only thing agreed and the only legal thing remain the 1960 agreements.

[bg_turk]

What if GC keep saying OXI on the referenda ...

[erolz]

The only thing officially agreed so far was in 1960. Fortunately now for something to be agreed to replace the 1960 agreements it needs the approval of the people in a referendum. If that doesn't happen the only thing agreed and the only legal thing remain the 1960 agreements.

Was part of Cyprus owned by TC in 1960?

Is it then offensive to say part of cyprus was / is TC?

Do you still maintain that this is as offensive as saying 'Cyprus is Greek'?

[Piratis]

What if GC keep saying OXI on the referenda ...

This is their right.
However TCs and Turkey do not have the right for the occupation or the "TRNC". Both things are illegal.
Basically if we can not agree on something different the only thing that remains is the 1960 agreements.

Was part of Cyprus owned by TC in 1960?

Is it then offensive to say part of cyprus was / is TC?

Do you still maintain that this is as offensive as saying 'Cyprus is Greek'?

Yes, what is the difference?
If it was "Cyprus is Greek Cypriot" would it be ok for you? It would not, because you do not accept your homeland to be called "Greek".
For the same reason the GCs whose homeland is the whole Cyprus and especially the ones whose homeland are the cities and villages of north Cyprus, do not accept their homeland to be called "Turkish".

[erolz]

Yes, what is the difference?
If it was "Cyprus is Greek Cypriot" would it be ok for you?

I have no problem what so ever with you or anyone else saying Cyprus is part GC or part of Cyprus is GC - because that is just a statement of fact as far as I am concerned. To me it is no different from saying part of the world is Greek and Greeks are part of the world (or Turkish or Chinese or French etc etc etc). These to me are plain and self evident facts and carry no offence at all.

It would not, because you do not accept your homeland to be called "Greek".

I think that saying 'Cyprus is Greek' is offensive to TC (and GC for that matter) because it is not Greek (it is cypriot - part of it GC and part of it TC) and such statements hark directly back to ENOSIS and the mengali idea and the cause of so many of Cyprus' problems since it gained independance.

For the same reason the GCs whose homeland is the whole Cyprus and especially the ones whose homeland are the cities and villages of north Cyprus, do not accept their homeland to be called "Turkish".

Even the parts that were owned by TC in 1960 or in 1900 or in 1850? Were these also GC (the whole of cyprus as you say)? Are no parts of Cyprus TC? Not now and not ever? Are all parts of it GC? Now and at all times in the past?

[Bananiot]

Piratis wrote

Basically if we can not agree on something different the only thing that remains is the 1960 agreements.

So, all we need to do is to reject every plan that is put in front of us and then the whole world will realise that the only road forward is a recourse to the 1960 agreements. Even No 1 accepted (after 44 years) that those agreements were a blessing. Funny, that the very people that are trying to save us now thought then that those agreements were the devil's doing. After doing everything in their power to jeopardise the agreements they now tell us that we need to go back to them for salvation. In effect, we say, oops sorry and start again.

These things may happen in fairy tails ...

[garbitsch]

If Cyprus is Greek, then TRNC state does exist. How about that?