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[Nikitas]

"Do you know Turkish airforce has well over 1000 aircraft!"

Make a discount! Last time I looked up references they talked of 360 jets. Are you counting trainers and defunct planes too!

The S300 maybe were meant to end up in eastern Crete where they defend a radius of 300 kilometers, stretching from Hios in the north to Cyprus in the east. The space between Crete and Cyprus is what the Turks would love to control, but things are not going their way.

[Simon]

The Cyprus Guard was preparing to build a military deterrent in the mid nineties. The Russian S-300 missile defense system was part of this. The TAF freaked out because it would of put a end to Turkish air superiority. I was in the US military during this time. The intelligence on the S-300 was it was very effective on F-16s. The Cyprus government should have called Turkey on their threat. The Russians where sending a Naval task force with aircraft and subs. The US and NATO did not support Turkey on a attack and held intelligence on the S-300. The Turks went to Israel for help. A big opportunity was missed. As soon as Cyprus moves close to a real deterrence Turkey makes threats same when Greek forces increase military on Cyprus.

Precisely my point. No strategy. They made the order then pulled out when Turkey resorted to its usual bully boy tactics. Half-hearted as I was saying before. Either see it through or don't make the order. It's laughable that Turkey can overload the island with US military hardware that shouldn't even be on the island, that's right, surprise surprise, they used US made weapons illegally, but the slightest chance of Cyprus getting some capability to defend itself and it is shock and horror. The word 'hypocrisy' doesn't seem to do it justice.

What a load of rubbish!
Do you know Turkish airforce has well over 1000 aircraft! How many missiles can Cyprus afford and where exactly were they going to station them?
Are you also aware Turkey is also in possession of pilotless - remote controlled reconnaissance planes? Who is going to stop them from surgical surprise attack on such sites - that would pose a threat to its aircraft flying over Turkey? (blowing them to smitherines). It was real threat of this that made the GC authorities do a U-turn rather than help from anywhere else!

Yes! I agree you should stop wasting your money on NG because they are no match for the Turkish military power if any such (highly unlikely) conflict were to take place!

BTW! I read that 5 of the new recruits fainted during graduation of the NG trainees the other day!
Just make sure you decide to use these boys against Turkish forces on a nice cool day - when the sun is not too high!

I believe that others have dealt with your ridiculous post already so I'm not going to waste much more time on it. You stated my post is "rubbish" then contradict nothing I've said. In fact you partly agreed with me! Typical Turkish nationalist, not even understanding my post but looking for any excuse to boast about the Turkish military against a tiny island.

Put it this way, the Turkish Air Force is so powerful that the mere mention of an S-300 made it shit it pants! Imagine then if Cyprus started spending and equipping properly!

[Simon]

My understanding was that the 90's s300 adventure is what prompted Cyprus' admission into the EU. The s300 were cheap and the outcome was good value if this is the case. The whole point of an arms race is that you never actually use what you have. Cyprus is in a state of war,there is a clumsy and fragile cease fire but there is still a war. Cyprus should be spending at least the same percentage Israel. Peace is more likely if Turkey is reluctant to use cheap,dirty and innacurate weapons such as napalm. Turkey does not seem to be getting any less aggressive with time and Cyprus is in a very dirty neighbourhood. Cyprus is not Tahiti or Hawaii it is an island in the middle of hell fire. We are only allowed barbaric Leventine solutions to our problems because of our neighbourhood. If our neighbours were progressive pluralist multicultural Western democracies would we be talking about barbaric constitutions like those being offered. Public stoning of women by family is common in most of our neighbours. What chance does Cyprus have?

Spot on.

[Simon]

You don't know what your talking about. The Turkish military is not and can't send all of their aircraft to Cyprus. The S-300 along with many other AA weapons would provide a deterrent, if you don't know what that is I don't have time to explain it to you. The CNG has drone aircraft as well as do the Greek forces on Cyprus. The CNG has a advantage in tanks and anti tank weapons which the TAF admits. The CNG has one of the biggest spec ops in the world compared to overall military size. The TAF advantage lies in air power and Naval power. The Cyprus government has defense agreements with the EU, France, Serbia, Greece, Armenia, and Russia. If a couple of recruits passing out is surprising to you then you don't know shit about military training. I was in the US Navy 1995- 2006, I served in spec ops and NATO joint training and operations. I was stationed in Turkey and trained TAF. The TAF has the second largest standing force in NATO but they lack depth and discipline. They are extremely weak in the NCO area and that is why the US started sending them to the UK and US for training. The invasion in 1974 was a complete cluster fuck and military failure. They had massive manpower and overwhelming weapons advantage and they fucked up in so many ways I won't even get into it. If the TAF invaded it would destabilize the entire country of Turkey.

Don't go destroying his wet dreams now!

[Simon]

Simon, the National Guard's only victory so far was the coup against Makarios in july 1974. Spending more money on the NG will send Cyprus economy packing and in any case, besides GR's rhetoric, running after Turkey in an arms race constitutes a death warrant for Cyprus. Is this so difficult to understand?

I know that you Bananiot will not use the expressive language that I prefer to use when responding to a couple of bloody fools farting away. Here is GR, Cyprus's official Bin Laden / Taliban mouth-peace talking absolute crap , his trade mark really , the moron actually believes that a solution can only come from war , thousands upon thousands could lose their lives , the Cypriot infrastructure its roads its economy would collapse , but there again as Simple Simon says lets spend more money on defence then we can ...defeat Turkey.
A pair of Plonkers without a doubt.

Another idiot who can't understand a simple logical proposition I have put forward. Currently what we are doing makes no sense. You cannot understand that because of your advanced years. The only plonker you senile old fart is you!

You're just worried we send your useless decrepit old arse to the frontline first. I only wish you silly old fucker!

[Bananiot]

What does age have to do with anything? This age racism you seem to enjoy Simon says a lot about your believes. Anyway, in my humble view, anyone proposing an arms race with Turkey must hate Cyprus to his last body cell. Even if they do not understand it, lack of rationalism is not an excuse.

[Simon]

What does age have to do with anything? This age racism you seem to enjoy Simon says a lot about your believes. Anyway, in my humble view, anyone proposing an arms race with Turkey must hate Cyprus to his last body cell. Even if they do not understand it, lack of rationalism is not an excuse.

Well I like to highlight his age simply because the way he speaks is not worthy of a man of his advanced years. As he regularly reminds us of his age, I can only put his illogical rantings down to the wear and tear on his brain cells. He is all too ready to dish out insults at a moment's notice, so I'm sure he'll be happy to take a few as well.

I disagree with your second paragraph. The people that must really hate Cyprus are people like yourself, willing to acquiesce to Turkey without question and do nothing to help solve the problem except bend over to Turkish nationalists. That might be your style, it's not mine.

[B25]

What does age have to do with anything? This age racism you seem to enjoy Simon says a lot about your believes. Anyway, in my humble view, anyone proposing an arms race with Turkey must hate Cyprus to his last body cell. Even if they do not understand it, lack of rationalism is not an excuse.

Well I like to highlight his age simply because the way he speaks is not worthy of a man of his advanced years. As he regularly reminds us of his age, I can only put his illogical rantings down to the wear and tear on his brain cells. He is all too ready to dish out insults at a moment's notice, so I'm sure he'll be happy to take a few as well.

I disagree with your second paragraph. The people that must really hate Cyprus are people like yourself, willing to acquiesce to Turkey without question and do nothing to help solve the problem except bend over to Turkish nationalists. That might be your style, it's not mine.

Amen to that Simon. Bravo!

[Nikitas]

"Nikitas, lest be totally honest on this. The first people who were uprooted en masse were Turkish Cypriots in the 60's. Some became refugees three times in the course of a lifetime! I am not saying this to excuse the uprooting of GC's in 1974 by any means but to bring some perspective into this matter."

Bananiot, I do not doubt the hardships of the TC community. But now we are a few steps away from partition in the form of BBF, which is a major victory for the TC and Turkish side. In exchange for this major victory they are asked to return a fraction of the territory captured in 1974. Even with the return of the territory the proportions, especiallly the proportion of coastline which is a major resource in a tourist economy, is crushingly in their favor.

Instead of a reasonable approach to this proposal we get the latest statements by Eroglu about uprooting people and about "immigrants" ie settlers.

It is these statements that make me ask what exactly are we negotiating about. The threat is that we will be forced into an international conference with third parties. Well, I reckon that total strangers to the problem will be able to appreciate the basics, ie that giving 30 per cent of the territory to 18 per cent of the population is unfair and that a 25-75 deal is more than fair.

Unlike others, I see BBF as the preliminary stage for the end phase of Turkey's strategy in Cyprus. Anyone who thinks that BBF will be the end of it is dead wrong. The best we can do is insist on conditions that will make any such final phase very hard to implement.

[Bananiot]

Here you are Simon, supporting an arms race with Turkey and straight away you get the thumps up from resident fascist B25.

Nikitas, you make one basic mistake. Policies are formulated on past events which, like it or not, shape the future. At this moment we are alone in the world and BBF is the only feasible option that can result in a settlement which will see Turkey taking the troops out of Cyprus and stem the influx of settlers. But you claim that this is partition. You want to make the pain more palatable by getting some territoty back. I cannot see how this can help us if BBF is partition, it will still be partition.

BBF is no partion, it is sharing this country by the two communities as equal partners. There is nothing wrong with this. We are basically the same people, despite the claims of the opposite by the nationalists. Furthermore, the whole of the island will be part of the great European family and many directives as to the running of Cyprus will be coming from Brussels.