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[Oracle]

"Rihanna" is so thick and publicity-hungry she probably thinks she can get a bit of the attention JLo received.

You've got to be desperate and low to associate with a militarily occupied, illegal, rogue "state" where Apartheid is the name of the game!

We are talking about a popstar Oracle, thick and publicity-hungry is the main requirement to be one.

Plus just because you do not get to rule it yourself, does not make it an Apartheid, however, if I was forced to live under the RoC rule, then that would have.

You are not forced to live anywhere, Shah. That is the difference. But, 200,000 GCs are FORCED to live away from their homes.

You still don't get it. Reading some of your posts today, it's like listening to some teenager talking about some Xbox-Live game!

It is an Apartheid if the north was cleansed of Greeks and permanent residential access is denied to Greeks! Face the TRUTH!

Dear Oracle, look up what Apartheid really means and come back.

The only time it could really be called an Apartheid was when the Turkish speaking Cypriots were kicked out of the government and racial segregation started in ALL levels.

Thats what an Apartheid is my friend, when an ethnic group rules another one and tries to call it a "democracy". We do not want to dominate you, why do you want to dominate us? What the fuck is wrong with you?

I do not wish to be a part of your so called democracy, why are you forcing me to?

You want to live in you homes, come and live there, you are free to do so.

No Greek is free to live in the occupied north. Hence, real Apartheid! NOW! The few that tried were beaten and diminished. As I said, you need to wake up to the TRUTH. Apartheid administering Turks rule in Cyprus; and dumb TCs are helping them!

[ttoli]

I can't possibly comment on this at the moment, I'd be late for the Sean Paul Concert

[Oracle]

"Rihanna" is so thick and publicity-hungry she probably thinks she can get a bit of the attention JLo received.

You've got to be desperate and low to associate with a militarily occupied, illegal, rogue "state" where Apartheid is the name of the game!

We are talking about a popstar Oracle, thick and publicity-hungry is the main requirement to be one.

Plus just because you do not get to rule it yourself, does not make it an Apartheid, however, if I was forced to live under the RoC rule, then that would have.

You are not forced to live anywhere, Shah. That is the difference. But, 200,000 GCs are FORCED to live away from their homes.

You still don't get it. Reading some of your posts today, it's like listening to some teenager talking about some Xbox-Live game!

It is an Apartheid if the north was cleansed of Greeks and permanent residential access is denied to Greeks! Face the TRUTH!

They weren't forced into being refugees by the Turks but by the Greeks who stopped them exchanging their land with that in the south and getting on with their lives.

Really? Did you leave your brain on some London tube station, Zan, because the reality is somewhat different to your daydream.

Why are there 43,000 Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus if not to keep out Greeks, killing them if they dare behave like Greeks? And what "exchange of land" were you witness to????

[shahmaran]

"Rihanna" is so thick and publicity-hungry she probably thinks she can get a bit of the attention JLo received.

You've got to be desperate and low to associate with a militarily occupied, illegal, rogue "state" where Apartheid is the name of the game!

We are talking about a popstar Oracle, thick and publicity-hungry is the main requirement to be one.

Plus just because you do not get to rule it yourself, does not make it an Apartheid, however, if I was forced to live under the RoC rule, then that would have.

You are not forced to live anywhere, Shah. That is the difference. But, 200,000 GCs are FORCED to live away from their homes.

You still don't get it. Reading some of your posts today, it's like listening to some teenager talking about some Xbox-Live game!

It is an Apartheid if the north was cleansed of Greeks and permanent residential access is denied to Greeks! Face the TRUTH!

Dear Oracle, look up what Apartheid really means and come back.

The only time it could really be called an Apartheid was when the Turkish speaking Cypriots were kicked out of the government and racial segregation started in ALL levels.

Thats what an Apartheid is my friend, when an ethnic group rules another one and tries to call it a "democracy". We do not want to dominate you, why do you want to dominate us? What the fuck is wrong with you?

I do not wish to be a part of your so called democracy, why are you forcing me to?

You want to live in you homes, come and live there, you are free to do so.

No Greek is free to live in the occupied north. Hence, real Apartheid! NOW! The few that tried were beaten and diminished. As I said, you need to wake up to the TRUTH. Apartheid administering Turks rule in Cyprus; and dumb TCs are helping them!

No Turk was ever free under Greek rule either Oracle, thats why we are where we are, yet you still want to rule me, I don't want to rule you, I just want to rule my share. Who is the fascist expansionist now?

Who the hell was beaten up anyways? I have seen plenty of GC's move in, even in Lefke where there was not that many to begin with.

Get out more Oracle, you need it...

[shahmaran]

"Rihanna" is so thick and publicity-hungry she probably thinks she can get a bit of the attention JLo received.

You've got to be desperate and low to associate with a militarily occupied, illegal, rogue "state" where Apartheid is the name of the game!

We are talking about a popstar Oracle, thick and publicity-hungry is the main requirement to be one.

Plus just because you do not get to rule it yourself, does not make it an Apartheid, however, if I was forced to live under the RoC rule, then that would have.

You are not forced to live anywhere, Shah. That is the difference. But, 200,000 GCs are FORCED to live away from their homes.

You still don't get it. Reading some of your posts today, it's like listening to some teenager talking about some Xbox-Live game!

It is an Apartheid if the north was cleansed of Greeks and permanent residential access is denied to Greeks! Face the TRUTH!

They weren't forced into being refugees by the Turks but by the Greeks who stopped them exchanging their land with that in the south and getting on with their lives.

Really? Did you leave your brain on some London tube station, Zan, because the reality is somewhat different to your daydream.

Why are there 43,000 Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus if not to keep out Greeks, killing them if they dare behave like Greeks? And what "exchange of land" were you witness to????

Last time, if I remember correctly, we were left at the mercy of the Greek Apartheid, a lot of us were shot and buried in mass graves.

So what the fuck are you on about Oracle?

Is that your idea of "democracy"? Just make the opposition evaporate?

[Oracle]

"Rihanna" is so thick and publicity-hungry she probably thinks she can get a bit of the attention JLo received.

You've got to be desperate and low to associate with a militarily occupied, illegal, rogue "state" where Apartheid is the name of the game!

We are talking about a popstar Oracle, thick and publicity-hungry is the main requirement to be one.

Plus just because you do not get to rule it yourself, does not make it an Apartheid, however, if I was forced to live under the RoC rule, then that would have.

You are not forced to live anywhere, Shah. That is the difference. But, 200,000 GCs are FORCED to live away from their homes.

You still don't get it. Reading some of your posts today, it's like listening to some teenager talking about some Xbox-Live game!

It is an Apartheid if the north was cleansed of Greeks and permanent residential access is denied to Greeks! Face the TRUTH!

Dear Oracle, look up what Apartheid really means and come back.

The only time it could really be called an Apartheid was when the Turkish speaking Cypriots were kicked out of the government and racial segregation started in ALL levels.

Thats what an Apartheid is my friend, when an ethnic group rules another one and tries to call it a "democracy". We do not want to dominate you, why do you want to dominate us? What the fuck is wrong with you?

I do not wish to be a part of your so called democracy, why are you forcing me to?

You want to live in you homes, come and live there, you are free to do so.

No Greek is free to live in the occupied north. Hence, real Apartheid! NOW! The few that tried were beaten and diminished. As I said, you need to wake up to the TRUTH. Apartheid administering Turks rule in Cyprus; and dumb TCs are helping them!

No Turk was ever free under Greek rule either Oracle, thats why we are where we are, yet you still want to rule me, I don't want to rule you, I just want to rule my share. Who is the fascist expansionist now?

Who the hell was beaten up anyways? I have seen plenty of GC's move in, even in Lefke where there was not that many to begin with.

Get out more Oracle, you need it...

Resist your Turkish urge to advise me on how to live!

No Turk came to Cyprus, voluntarily, in order to be "ordered" by Greeks on how to live. There is a major flaw in your "logic".

[Oracle]

"Rihanna" is so thick and publicity-hungry she probably thinks she can get a bit of the attention JLo received.

You've got to be desperate and low to associate with a militarily occupied, illegal, rogue "state" where Apartheid is the name of the game!

We are talking about a popstar Oracle, thick and publicity-hungry is the main requirement to be one.

Plus just because you do not get to rule it yourself, does not make it an Apartheid, however, if I was forced to live under the RoC rule, then that would have.

You are not forced to live anywhere, Shah. That is the difference. But, 200,000 GCs are FORCED to live away from their homes.

You still don't get it. Reading some of your posts today, it's like listening to some teenager talking about some Xbox-Live game!

It is an Apartheid if the north was cleansed of Greeks and permanent residential access is denied to Greeks! Face the TRUTH!

They weren't forced into being refugees by the Turks but by the Greeks who stopped them exchanging their land with that in the south and getting on with their lives.

Really? Did you leave your brain on some London tube station, Zan, because the reality is somewhat different to your daydream.

Why are there 43,000 Turkish troops stationed in Cyprus if not to keep out Greeks, killing them if they dare behave like Greeks? And what "exchange of land" were you witness to????

Last time, if I remember correctly, we were left at the mercy of the Greek Apartheid, a lot of us were shot and buried in mass graves.

So what the fuck are you on about Oracle?

Is that your idea of "democracy"? Just make the opposition evaporate?

You have, obviously, missed the facts which proved that there are more murderous TCs in the Cypriot population than GCs, or you would not have dared venture such a preposterous claim!

Mass graves, pull the other one ...

[Malapapa]

OK if you are prepared to go that far then you gotta ditch the Helenic background because you do not go that far, so then we can talk about how you got to be here as well?

When have you ever heard me go on about Hellenic? Cyprus has been inhabited for at least 11,000 years. That's how far back real Cypriots can go.

I mean you did also get here some how, have you not? Or did "god" just put you here, like the Jews?

The first people on Cyprus didn't invade, colonise, displace, conquer or ethnically cleanse anyone. I'd say that gives them certain rights to this land, which may or may not be "God given".

Even then, history shows that no one is simply "granted" land and autonomy simply because you live there, that is utter rubbish. Superpowers decide who lives where and how, and if you still want to push this silly argument then you have to first convince the white Americans to give the land back to the American Indians, then someone might actually listen to this preposterous argument.

What argument? All I'm saying is Cyprus's problems didn't start in 1963.

But the reality is that we have been here for over 500 years

You'd have thought, after half a millennium, uninvited guests would have done their best to fit in with the locals.

and it was the Ottomans who gave you and your church the autonomy and the right to rule, which you never had. You lack of the ability to self-rule had turned this island into a military post that was threatening the Empire.

But even then we don't actually take the argument that far back.

There is no need to because the times when both people lived peacefully amongst each other was not that long ago, up until foreign provocation.

So why not just start the argument from where it can actually be solved, realistically?

Sure. But please do forgive Cypriots, whose roots on this island stretch back far longer than a mere few centuries, for having a sense of their own troubled history, of which the Turks are merely the most recent of a long, long line of irritants.

You are basing your argument on grey grounds my friend.

There is no such thing as a REAL Cypriot.

Bollocks.

There never was such a thing. "Nation states" are imaginary borders, it is a Nazi notion.

Cyprus has people from many ethnic groups and only language has caused them to divide recently.

You cannot separate people ethnically, it is impossible, specially on long-disputed grounds such as Cyprus or Anatolia in general.

So, where do you want to start dividing?

I don't want to start dividing full stop, I don't recognise NORTH CYPRUS or NORTH CYPRIOTS.

From the day the Ottomans started ruling?

Maybe we should take it on from the Persians, after all they were not Greek speaking either, neither were they Christian nor they fit in.

This argument based on the Turks coming from Mongolia, out of the blue, one day just turning up, and started to take everything, even Cyprus, is a serious laughing stock for historians, a children bed story.

What argument? I write one thing, you read another.

It was a process that went on for thousands of years, many kingdoms and rulers, Turks are not even a nation as they claim to be so. The Ottomans ruling class were not even Turkish! Plus everywhere the Ottomans ruled they shifted people around in order to stop this sort of ethnic gang-up, so you are in serious trouble if you really are planning to root back and find out who you are

If this junk really is in your curriculum then I truly am sorry for you,

What junk? Are we having the same conversation, or are you just shadow boxing, in preparation for a zero-sum-game with the likes of YiaLoser?

but now we live in an age where you can get real knowledge without having to swallow everything nationalistic governments feed you, most of it is absolute fantasy.

Take a breath and stop drivelling.

I mean just look at what they have done to poor Oracle!

Oh i get it, you think you're locking horns with Oracle.

[shahmaran]

OK Oracle, lets get it out of the way, do you deny the mass graves exist?

Atlılar, Muratağa, and Sandallar to be precise.

[shahmaran]

"Rihanna" is so thick and publicity-hungry she probably thinks she can get a bit of the attention JLo received.

You've got to be desperate and low to associate with a militarily occupied, illegal, rogue "state" where Apartheid is the name of the game!

We are talking about a popstar Oracle, thick and publicity-hungry is the main requirement to be one.

Plus just because you do not get to rule it yourself, does not make it an Apartheid, however, if I was forced to live under the RoC rule, then that would have.

You are not forced to live anywhere, Shah. That is the difference. But, 200,000 GCs are FORCED to live away from their homes.

You still don't get it. Reading some of your posts today, it's like listening to some teenager talking about some Xbox-Live game!

It is an Apartheid if the north was cleansed of Greeks and permanent residential access is denied to Greeks! Face the TRUTH!

Dear Oracle, look up what Apartheid really means and come back.

The only time it could really be called an Apartheid was when the Turkish speaking Cypriots were kicked out of the government and racial segregation started in ALL levels.

Thats what an Apartheid is my friend, when an ethnic group rules another one and tries to call it a "democracy". We do not want to dominate you, why do you want to dominate us? What the fuck is wrong with you?

I do not wish to be a part of your so called democracy, why are you forcing me to?

You want to live in you homes, come and live there, you are free to do so.

No Greek is free to live in the occupied north. Hence, real Apartheid! NOW! The few that tried were beaten and diminished. As I said, you need to wake up to the TRUTH. Apartheid administering Turks rule in Cyprus; and dumb TCs are helping them!

No Turk was ever free under Greek rule either Oracle, thats why we are where we are, yet you still want to rule me, I don't want to rule you, I just want to rule my share. Who is the fascist expansionist now?

Who the hell was beaten up anyways? I have seen plenty of GC's move in, even in Lefke where there was not that many to begin with.

Get out more Oracle, you need it...

Resist your Turkish urge to advise me on how to live!

No Turk came to Cyprus, voluntarily, in order to be "ordered" by Greeks on how to live. There is a major flaw in your "logic".

We did not come "to be ordered". We came to rule, and if I remember correctly you were not the ruling class, someone else was, you were merely serfs and your ruler was attacking the Ottoman fleets.

So even then Cyprus did not belong to the so called "Cypriots".

So you have not really lost anything, yet you were given rights to rule by us.

Basically this is what is wrong with all your so called "logic".

You want to go REALLY far back in history to find a good excuse to tie your murderous and fascist ways you had with us since the collapse of the Empire, well good luck, I am still to hear one

There will never be a good enough excuse to justify mas graves, and definitely none for your existence Oracle, you are one of a kind, maybe you were called Goebbles in your past life?