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[zan]

For the sake of the argument, I know quite a few great places on the North where we can build a great stadium and would be a perfect opportunity to tell the world about your crocodile tears, shamelessly shed before the whole world, only to hide the bloody truth of this island, your real actions during your dishonest quests for Enosis, for decades, how you treated anyone who did not speak Greek and about your long term agendas to perform the REAL ethnic cleansing.

The REAL ethnic cleansing was performed by you, and this was not the first time. And then you accuse the GCs for theoretical and imaginary "ethnic cleansing" that in reality never happened even once during the 4+ centuries you have been on the island.

And why was our quest for enosis "dishonest"? Why was it "honest" for the Turks to invade the territories inhabited by the Greeks and force on us their their rule for centuries, but it is "dishonest" for the Greeks to be liberated from foreign rule and have their one unified free Greek State?

If we could be subjects under Ottoman and British rule against our will, then why couldn't we (you included) be equal citizens of a state which we democratically choose to belong? You think that just because the Ottomans created Muslim minorities in the territories they occupied that those territories lost their right for self-determination? If that was the case then Colonialism would never be over.

Why should some imperialists in Ankara or London be able to determine where Cyprus should belong and not the Cypriot people in a democratic way?

Maybe you think you had the right to prevent Cyprus from uniting with EU as well, even thought this was the desire of the majority of Cypriots and the other EU countries had accepted our application?

Which one are we again The invading Ottomans or the "Created Muslim minorities"................Its so bloody confusing in the Piratis web....So much so that the weaver is getting caught up in his own weave!!


Piratis....You are getting soft mate...Stick to the original plan that we are all invading Ottomans........There is no room in your version of Cyprus for "Created Muslim minorities"...

[shahmaran]

Well I do not think Piratis has the brains to create a fool proof story Zan.

In order to do that he needs to swallow a thousand history books, fortunately he is full of shit, so he cant

[Piratis]

I have a lot more brains than both of you combined But no, the reason you can not refute my arguments is not because you are stupid, but because what I say is nothing but the truth. It is extremely easy for me to present the true facts, while it is extremely difficult for you to argue against the truth.

The fact is that the Turks ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of Cypriots from 1/3rd of Cyprus in 1974, and 36 years later they still refuse to them their right to return to their homeland. Another fact is that this plan for ethnic cleansing and the partition of Cyprus existed since the 50s - and it was not a secret. And no, this is not the first time that the Turks did such thing, and Cypriots were not the only victims of the ethnic cleansing and genocides performed by the Turks.

These are the true historical facts.

And then you are trying to blame the GCs by presenting imaginary scenarios of things that never actually happened.

[zan]

I have a lot more brains than both of you combined But no, the reason you can not refute my arguments is not because you are stupid, but because what I say is nothing but the truth. It is extremely easy for me to present the true facts, while it is extremely difficult for you to argue against the truth.

The fact is that the Turks ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of Cypriots from 1/3rd of Cyprus in 1974, and 36 years later they still refuse to them their right to return to their homeland. Another fact is that this plan for ethnic cleansing and the partition of Cyprus existed since the 50s - and it was not a secret. And no, this is not the first time that the Turks did such thing, and Cypriots were not the only victims of the ethnic cleansing and genocides performed by the Turks.

These are the true historical facts.

And then you are trying to blame the GCs by presenting imaginary scenarios of things that never actually happened.

Shame they are laying dormant in a cramped space


Still short on facts Piratis.......ENOSIS started all of it and that is a fact........Akritas put it into action when all else failed.....Lorry loads of Greek thugs went around harassing and murdering TCs....My mum was strip searched for no reason in these raids by one of those perverted Greek thugs. My dad was lined up against the wall on the way to work and nearly shot while the UN stood and watched. He owes his life to a GC officer who stopped it all in the nick of time. These are facts mate and not the selective shit that you have put together and sat in front until you cannot see any other reality than the one you have created.


Your other reality of what might happen in a few hundred years time can keep you going until you rot away alone in your operations room with an endless loop of Denktas saying he planted a bomb........Facts mate....YOu haven't got a clue......

[Viewpoint]

The fact is Piratis is tbat you got some of your own medicone the school ground bully got his arse whipped where were you when TCs were being ethnically cleasened from Cyprus? Your hypocracy is clrar for all to see.

[shahmaran]

Piratis it is not that I cannot counter your arguments, it is the fact that you do nothing but repeat the same old crap, you are not open to an argument as you might think you are.

Have you ever seen 2 cats fight Piratis?

The strong one always attacks and is on its feet, but the weak one always lies on its back and defends its self as its attacked, has its back against the safe ground and always points its claws towards the direction of the attack, he uses 4 claws but the attacker who is on its feet only gets to use 1 or 2. Now that is exactly what you do Piratis.

You have gathered yourself a bunch of rubbish propaganda material prepared in advance, you just keep pasting it, and that is as far as your so called "brains" can take you unfortunately. In other words arguing with you is like talking to a wall, does not result in what normal human beings know of a conventional argument, it is pure fucking waste of time.

So stop deluding yourself and don't confuse arguing with being a total repetitive and defensive moron.

[thegame24]

Now I'm going by your theories here.

If turkeys partition and invasion is justifiable because of what we supposedly done to you, then weren't the majority of Cypriots justified in wanting enosis after being under ottoman rule and then British rule for so long?

Seriously, shut the fuck up with your hypocrisy

[zan]

Now I'm going by your theories here.

If turkeys partition and invasion is justifiable because of what we supposedly done to you, then weren't the majority of Cypriots justified in wanting enosis after being under ottoman rule and then British rule for so long?

Seriously, shut the fuck up with your hypocrisy

NO!!! They were justified in wanting their own nation....You know...The face they showed the world

[Piratis]

I have a lot more brains than both of you combined But no, the reason you can not refute my arguments is not because you are stupid, but because what I say is nothing but the truth. It is extremely easy for me to present the true facts, while it is extremely difficult for you to argue against the truth.

The fact is that the Turks ethnically cleansed 100s of thousands of Cypriots from 1/3rd of Cyprus in 1974, and 36 years later they still refuse to them their right to return to their homeland. Another fact is that this plan for ethnic cleansing and the partition of Cyprus existed since the 50s - and it was not a secret. And no, this is not the first time that the Turks did such thing, and Cypriots were not the only victims of the ethnic cleansing and genocides performed by the Turks.

These are the true historical facts.

And then you are trying to blame the GCs by presenting imaginary scenarios of things that never actually happened.

Shame they are laying dormant in a cramped space


Still short on facts Piratis.......ENOSIS started all of it and that is a fact........Akritas put it into action when all else failed.....Lorry loads of Greek thugs went around harassing and murdering TCs....My mum was strip searched for no reason in these raids by one of those perverted Greek thugs. My dad was lined up against the wall on the way to work and nearly shot while the UN stood and watched. He owes his life to a GC officer who stopped it all in the nick of time. These are facts mate and not the selective shit that you have put together and sat in front until you cannot see any other reality than the one you have created.


Your other reality of what might happen in a few hundred years time can keep you going until you rot away alone in your operations room with an endless loop of Denktas saying he planted a bomb........Facts mate....YOu haven't got a clue......

Union with Greece was the desire of the vast majority of the Cypriot people, and just like our more recent union with EU, our right.

So I will repeat to you:

Why was it OK for the Turks to invade the territories inhabited by the Greeks and force on us their rule for centuries, but was not OK for the Greeks to be liberated from foreign rule and have their one unified free Greek State?

If we could be subjects under Ottoman and British rule against our will, then why couldn't we (you included) be equal citizens of a state which we democratically choose to belong? You think that just because the Ottomans created Muslim minorities in the territories they occupied that those territories lost their right for freedom? If that was the case then Colonialism would never be over.

Why should some imperialists in Ankara or London be able to determine where Cyprus should belong and not the Cypriot people in a democratic way?

This is why the UN resolution for Decolonization defined "free association with an independent State, integration into an independent State, or independence as the three legitimate options of full self-government. "
http://www.un.org/Depts/dpi/decolonizat ... ration.htm

So there was absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever with demanding our legitimate rights. What was wrong was that the British and Turkish imperialists denied us those rights for so long. (and they still do)

In 1955 our struggle was against the British colonialists and those who collaborated with them, not against the Turkish minority. It is your minority which turned against us, demanding our annihilation from half of our island and initiating the inter-communal conflict in 1958.

The first massacre, the first mass burnings of shops and homes of innocent people were all created by the TCs in the 50s after being incited by broadcasts from Turkey which called on them to murder GCs and start a civil war.
More details for that here:
http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=30000

What you are talking about came much later and it was the result of the conflict that TCs initiated. Did you think that only GCs would have casualties and would suffer from the conflict you initiated against us???

[Piratis]

Piratis it is not that I cannot counter your arguments, it is the fact that you do nothing but repeat the same old crap, you are not open to an argument as you might think you are.

Have you ever seen 2 cats fight Piratis?

The strong one always attacks and is on its feet, but the weak one always lies on its back and defends its self as its attacked, has its back against the safe ground and always points its claws towards the direction of the attack, he uses 4 claws but the attacker who is on its feet only gets to use 1 or 2. Now that is exactly what you do Piratis.

You have gathered yourself a bunch of rubbish propaganda material prepared in advance, you just keep pasting it, and that is as far as your so called "brains" can take you unfortunately. In other words arguing with you is like talking to a wall, does not result in what normal human beings know of a conventional argument, it is pure fucking waste of time.

So stop deluding yourself and don't confuse arguing with being a total repetitive and defensive moron.

No shahmaran, you can not defeat my arguments. If you could you would. You would love to. But you cant. This is why you resort to personal attacks.

Yes, I repeat the same things, because those things are the truth. The true historical facts do not change. What exactly did you expect? To say something different, which is not true, to make it easier for you?

Everything that I post comes from reliable independent sources, such as the UN resolution I posted above.

Unfortunately you have been so brainwashed that even when the truth is shown to you, even when you are unable to refute the truth no matter how hard you try, you still prefer to stick to the lies you have been brainwashed with to make yourself feel better.