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Postby Omer Seyhan » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:48 pm

DTA wrote:Embargoed aim is to remove the embargoes on the tcs. TheY are adamently aposed to any alliences with any trnc political party, and although members have differing views about what the best Cyprus solution would be the group itself does not support any one 'solution' so how are they facists? The video is just encouraging turkish and tcs to vote, what is wrong with that?

Omer when did you meet Ipek what happened?

How to they antagonise gcs?


Three points....

1. Embargoed encourages Turkish and T/Cs to vote, I agree with that, but not so they receive representation rather to lobby for TRNC recognition. They do so by identifying which MPs are friends of the TRNC and which are 'pro-Greek.' The 'Greeks' are identified as the enemy.

Look below:

http://www.avrupagazete.com/avrupa.asp?Id=12364

They present G/Cs as enemies:
http://manifesta6.medianet.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=79
“Just about every aspect of life is blocked by Greek Cypriot action,” Ipek Ozerim

By creating the G/Cs as the enemy - they are promoting ethnic hatred, which I'm sure you agree we Cypriots have too much of already.

2. Check out numerous posts left by their chair Fevzi Hussein and other members on Cyprus Mail, Hurriyet English....where they blame / attack G/Cs.....

Their member Suzan Nuri whose picture on Embargoed's website http://www.embargoed.org/membership.php recently generalised about G/Cs calling them all a "petulant lot." http://www.londragazete.com/yazar.asp?yaziID=7345

Isn't this a form of xenophobia?

3. A good way to understand where a group stands is by looking at its links / friends. Why do Embargoed have a link here on this pro-TRNC/nationalist website?
http://www.atcanews.org/atca/index.php

One embargoed member is pictured here with members of ATCA delivering a letter to Downing Street. Coincidence? Or fighting for the same cause?
http://www.atcanews.org/photos/blairoffice/
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Postby Omer Seyhan » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:50 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
DTA wrote:Embargoed aim is to remove the embargoes on the tcs. TheY are adamently aposed to any alliences with any trnc political party, and although members have differing views about what the best Cyprus solution would be the group itself does not support any one 'solution' so how are they facists? The video is just encouraging turkish and tcs to vote, what is wrong with that?

Omer when did you meet Ipek what happened?

How to they antagonise gcs?


I would ignore O Seyhan. He doesnt know what he talks about most of the time.


Its a public forum and I'm a member exercising my right to free speech. If you cannot argue your position then maybe thats because you don't have one, in which case shut up.
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:52 pm

Omer Seyhan wrote:
DTA wrote:Embargoed aim is to remove the embargoes on the tcs. TheY are adamently aposed to any alliences with any trnc political party, and although members have differing views about what the best Cyprus solution would be the group itself does not support any one 'solution' so how are they facists? The video is just encouraging turkish and tcs to vote, what is wrong with that?

Omer when did you meet Ipek what happened?

How to they antagonise gcs?


Three points....

1. Embargoed encourages Turkish and T/Cs to vote, I agree with that, but not so they receive representation rather to lobby for TRNC recognition. They do so by identifying which MPs are friends of the TRNC and which are 'pro-Greek.' The 'Greeks' are identified as the enemy.

Look below:

http://www.avrupagazete.com/avrupa.asp?Id=12364

They present G/Cs as enemies:
http://manifesta6.medianet.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=79
“Just about every aspect of life is blocked by Greek Cypriot action,” Ipek Ozerim

By creating the G/Cs as the enemy - they are promoting ethnic hatred, which I'm sure you agree we Cypriots have too much of already.

2. Check out numerous posts left by their chair Fevzi Hussein and other members on Cyprus Mail, Hurriyet English....where they blame / attack G/Cs.....

Their member Suzan Nuri whose picture on Embargoed's website http://www.embargoed.org/membership.php recently generalised about G/Cs calling them all a "petulant lot." http://www.londragazete.com/yazar.asp?yaziID=7345

Isn't this a form of xenophobia?

3. A good way to understand where a group stands is by looking at its links / friends. Why do Embargoed have a link here on this pro-TRNC/nationalist website?
http://www.atcanews.org/atca/index.php

One embargoed member is pictured here with members of ATCA delivering a letter to Downing Street. Coincidence? Or fighting for the same cause?
http://www.atcanews.org/photos/blairoffice/


Does that make them fascist?
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:54 pm

Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
DTA wrote:Embargoed aim is to remove the embargoes on the tcs. TheY are adamently aposed to any alliences with any trnc political party, and although members have differing views about what the best Cyprus solution would be the group itself does not support any one 'solution' so how are they facists? The video is just encouraging turkish and tcs to vote, what is wrong with that?

Omer when did you meet Ipek what happened?

How to they antagonise gcs?


I would ignore O Seyhan. He doesnt know what he talks about most of the time.


Its a public forum and I'm a member exercising my right to free speech. If you cannot argue your position then maybe thats because you don't have one, in which case shut up.


Bilmukabil salak herif.
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Postby Omer Seyhan » Sun Aug 08, 2010 3:57 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
DTA wrote:Embargoed aim is to remove the embargoes on the tcs. TheY are adamently aposed to any alliences with any trnc political party, and although members have differing views about what the best Cyprus solution would be the group itself does not support any one 'solution' so how are they facists? The video is just encouraging turkish and tcs to vote, what is wrong with that?

Omer when did you meet Ipek what happened?

How to they antagonise gcs?


Three points....

1. Embargoed encourages Turkish and T/Cs to vote, I agree with that, but not so they receive representation rather to lobby for TRNC recognition. They do so by identifying which MPs are friends of the TRNC and which are 'pro-Greek.' The 'Greeks' are identified as the enemy.

Look below:

http://www.avrupagazete.com/avrupa.asp?Id=12364

They present G/Cs as enemies:
http://manifesta6.medianet.de/forum/viewtopic.php?id=79
“Just about every aspect of life is blocked by Greek Cypriot action,” Ipek Ozerim

By creating the G/Cs as the enemy - they are promoting ethnic hatred, which I'm sure you agree we Cypriots have too much of already.

2. Check out numerous posts left by their chair Fevzi Hussein and other members on Cyprus Mail, Hurriyet English....where they blame / attack G/Cs.....

Their member Suzan Nuri whose picture on Embargoed's website http://www.embargoed.org/membership.php recently generalised about G/Cs calling them all a "petulant lot." http://www.londragazete.com/yazar.asp?yaziID=7345

Isn't this a form of xenophobia?

3. A good way to understand where a group stands is by looking at its links / friends. Why do Embargoed have a link here on this pro-TRNC/nationalist website?
http://www.atcanews.org/atca/index.php

One embargoed member is pictured here with members of ATCA delivering a letter to Downing Street. Coincidence? Or fighting for the same cause?
http://www.atcanews.org/photos/blairoffice/


Does that make them fascist?


No, it makes them racist for reasons 2 and 3

rac·ism   [rey-siz-uhm]
–noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


And it makes them bigoted
Adj. 1. bigoted - blindly and obstinately attached to some creed or opinion and intolerant toward others; "a bigoted person"; "an outrageously bigoted point of view"

TI'm sure you would agree these are ideas promoted primarily in fascism, nationalism, nazism.....
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Postby Omer Seyhan » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:00 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
DTA wrote:Embargoed aim is to remove the embargoes on the tcs. TheY are adamently aposed to any alliences with any trnc political party, and although members have differing views about what the best Cyprus solution would be the group itself does not support any one 'solution' so how are they facists? The video is just encouraging turkish and tcs to vote, what is wrong with that?

Omer when did you meet Ipek what happened?

How to they antagonise gcs?


I would ignore O Seyhan. He doesnt know what he talks about most of the time.


Its a public forum and I'm a member exercising my right to free speech. If you cannot argue your position then maybe thats because you don't have one, in which case shut up.


Bilmukabil salak herif.


No need for insults, are you upset because you have been proven wrong?
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:03 pm

Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
DTA wrote:Embargoed aim is to remove the embargoes on the tcs. TheY are adamently aposed to any alliences with any trnc political party, and although members have differing views about what the best Cyprus solution would be the group itself does not support any one 'solution' so how are they facists? The video is just encouraging turkish and tcs to vote, what is wrong with that?

Omer when did you meet Ipek what happened?

How to they antagonise gcs?


I would ignore O Seyhan. He doesnt know what he talks about most of the time.


Its a public forum and I'm a member exercising my right to free speech. If you cannot argue your position then maybe thats because you don't have one, in which case shut up.


Bilmukabil salak herif.


No need for insults, are you upset because you have been proven wrong?


You quoted the 'freedom of speech' yet deem necessary to tell me to shut up. Shut up yourself.
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Postby Omer Seyhan » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:08 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
DTA wrote:Embargoed aim is to remove the embargoes on the tcs. TheY are adamently aposed to any alliences with any trnc political party, and although members have differing views about what the best Cyprus solution would be the group itself does not support any one 'solution' so how are they facists? The video is just encouraging turkish and tcs to vote, what is wrong with that?

Omer when did you meet Ipek what happened?

How to they antagonise gcs?


I would ignore O Seyhan. He doesnt know what he talks about most of the time.


Its a public forum and I'm a member exercising my right to free speech. If you cannot argue your position then maybe thats because you don't have one, in which case shut up.


Bilmukabil salak herif.


No need for insults, are you upset because you have been proven wrong?


You quoted the 'freedom of speech' yet deem necessary to tell me to shut up. Shut up yourself.


Ok, sorry that I told you to shut up but you asked people to ignore me which goes against the spirit of free speech and public fora. For the record, I don't have a problem with you or your beliefs but on this issue I know more than you. Sorry.
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Postby denizaksulu » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:09 pm

Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
DTA wrote:Embargoed aim is to remove the embargoes on the tcs. TheY are adamently aposed to any alliences with any trnc political party, and although members have differing views about what the best Cyprus solution would be the group itself does not support any one 'solution' so how are they facists? The video is just encouraging turkish and tcs to vote, what is wrong with that?

Omer when did you meet Ipek what happened?

How to they antagonise gcs?


I would ignore O Seyhan. He doesnt know what he talks about most of the time.


Its a public forum and I'm a member exercising my right to free speech. If you cannot argue your position then maybe thats because you don't have one, in which case shut up.


Bilmukabil salak herif.


No need for insults, are you upset because you have been proven wrong?


You quoted the 'freedom of speech' yet deem necessary to tell me to shut up. Shut up yourself.


Ok, sorry that I told you to shut up but you asked people to ignore me which goes against the spirit of free speech and public fora. For the record, I don't have a problem with you or your beliefs but on this issue I know more than you. Sorry.



You reckon?
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Postby Omer Seyhan » Sun Aug 08, 2010 4:09 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
DTA wrote:Embargoed aim is to remove the embargoes on the tcs. TheY are adamently aposed to any alliences with any trnc political party, and although members have differing views about what the best Cyprus solution would be the group itself does not support any one 'solution' so how are they facists? The video is just encouraging turkish and tcs to vote, what is wrong with that?

Omer when did you meet Ipek what happened?

How to they antagonise gcs?


I would ignore O Seyhan. He doesnt know what he talks about most of the time.


Its a public forum and I'm a member exercising my right to free speech. If you cannot argue your position then maybe thats because you don't have one, in which case shut up.


Bilmukabil salak herif.


No need for insults, are you upset because you have been proven wrong?


You quoted the 'freedom of speech' yet deem necessary to tell me to shut up. Shut up yourself.


Ok, sorry that I told you to shut up but you asked people to ignore me which goes against the spirit of free speech and public fora. For the record, I don't have a problem with you or your beliefs but on this issue I know more than you. Sorry.



You reckon?


For sure.
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