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[MrH]

According to some Greek Cypriot Opposition Party members, Christofias is suspected to agree
To a two republic state partition of 28% Turkish Cypriot and 72% Greek Cypriot including the
Hand over of the northern British Base to the GC-ROC state as part of a UN Comprehensive
Blue print. This will apparently be submitted to Referendum on both sides in early Jan 2011.
Believe it or not, this is the apparent closure Christofias is now looking for as he doesn't want
To chance the future of the talks to any GC future leader as they will "simply not have the
Ability to avoid the complete recognition of the TRNC when a federal deal fails".

The two states will be known as follows: The Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus, and the TRNC.

I'm sure the former Glafkos Clerides also said the same thing, but after his departure and not
Before!

Sorry for any typo errors as I'm writing this on my Blackberry.

[MrH]

But, for those of you who truly know the cyprus issue will know that Turkey will never accept
Such an ill offer unless the Treaty of Gaurantee is maintained - covering the Entire island,
On both state. Thus, that's why I believe the Direct Trade Regulation, its soon passing, will be
A better offer by far.

Please think about what I've said before answering!

[halil]

here is the more news according to GC's press

Serious differences on property

“There are serious differences and disagreements on the (property) issue”, President Christofias said yesterday after another session of talks with Turkish Cypriot leader Mr Dervis Eroglu in an effort to solve the Cyprus problem.



“We also had an open discussion on various other issues, which I believe is needed with Mr Eroglu. On the interpersonal level, the situation is not so bad”, he added.



The Special Representative of the UN Secretary-General in Cyprus, Lisa Buttenheim said the two leaders continued their discussions on the property issue “in a constructive atmosphere” and their representatives will meet today to continue the same discussions and advance them.



Asked if there has been any progress at all, Mrs Buttenheim said: "The fact that these meetings are taking place between the leaders and at the Representatives’ level so many times in August is a very positive sign".



Invited to comment on media reports that the UN may be considering pulling out its good offices mission by the end of the year, if a solution is not found, she said: "I haven’t seen these reports, but the important thing is to concentrate on the fact that the talks are taking place now and we are fully behind them".



The Turkish Cypriot leader said after the meeting yesterday that the two sides had submitted their views and positions on property.

Eroglu added that they will table more detailed positions during a meeting in the first week of September.



The leaders will meet again on 10 August.

[Kikapu]

To chance the future of the talks to any GC future leader as they will "simply not have the
Ability to avoid the complete recognition of the TRNC when a federal deal fails".

But, for those of you who truly know the cyprus issue will know that Turkey will never accept
Such an ill offer unless the Treaty of Gaurantee is maintained - covering the Entire island, On both state.

MrH, aren't you contradicting yourself with the above two statements. If Turkey will not agree to a settlement unless she gets a guarantorship rights of the entire island, along with both new states, then how can there be a recognition of the "trnc" automatically made if the federal deal fails, since such a recognition will make the 1960 constitution an obsolete and useless (more) that will cancel her guarantorship of the RoC as is written now..! Turkey will never allow the "trnc" be recognised because it does her no good at all. That's why I say, Turkey does not want just a simple recognition of the "trnc" anymore since the RoC's entry to the EU, because it will leave her and the "trnc" out of the EU FOREVER. What Turkey wants is a plan like the AP, where the "trnc" can remain a EU member once the union with the RoC is over and Turkey has influence in the EU through the "trnc" state and have influence in the RoC at the same time. The only problem is, the GCs will never vote for another plan that is anything like the AP. Everyone knows the game plan already.!:wink:

Once again you are confirming what the Annan plan was all about, a disguised partition plan for the "trnc" to became a separate EU member state and allowing Turkey rights to the whole island at the same time. Thanks for the confirmation.!

[Nikitas]

"some Greek Cypriot Opposition Party members"

There is no sungle opposition party, so the source is flawed at best. Name the people and their party and then we take you seriously.

[Get Real!]

Christofias' December Time Bomb!

You should be grateful he’s giving you Christmas present!

[MrH]

Guys,

Come one, I did say think about it!

Turkey is not the side that Wants Partition - NEVER - it's only the Turkish Cypriots that want it. Trust me, if Turkey wanted the TRNC to be Recognised, like how it Forced the GCs and Greece to run around like headless chickens on the S300 missiles affair, Recognition would have been a much easier task. Therefore, any Cyprus Sleuth would know that Turkey wants, and is ONLY interested in, a FEDERAL agreement along with the Treaties of blah blah blah....I would have thought you'd known this by now.

TURKEY WOULD NEVER TRADE the so-called Recognition of the TRNC for its embedded Guarantor Rights found with the original Zurich Agreements and 1960 Constitution OF THE ENTIRE ISLAND.

[zan]

To chance the future of the talks to any GC future leader as they will "simply not have the
Ability to avoid the complete recognition of the TRNC when a federal deal fails".

But, for those of you who truly know the cyprus issue will know that Turkey will never accept
Such an ill offer unless the Treaty of Gaurantee is maintained - covering the Entire island, On both state.

MrH, aren't you contradicting yourself with the above two statements. If Turkey will not agree to a settlement unless she gets a guarantorship rights of the entire island, along with both new states, then how can there be a recognition of the "trnc" automatically made if the federal deal fails, since such a recognition will make the 1960 constitution an obsolete and useless (more) that will cancel her guarantorship of the RoC as is written now..! Turkey will never allow the "trnc" be recognised because it does her no good at all. That's why I say, Turkey does not want just a simple recognition of the "trnc" anymore since the RoC's entry to the EU, because it will leave her and the "trnc" out of the EU FOREVER. What Turkey wants is a plan like the AP, where the "trnc" can remain a EU member once the union with the RoC is over and Turkey has influence in the EU through the "trnc" state and have influence in the RoC at the same time. The only problem is, the GCs will never vote for another plan that is anything like the AP. Everyone knows the game plan already.!:wink:

Once again you are confirming what the Annan plan was all about, a disguised partition plan for the "trnc" to became a separate EU member state and allowing Turkey rights to the whole island at the same time. Thanks for the confirmation.!

When did Greece opt out?.....I must have missed that one

[insan]

Guys,

Come one, I did say think about it!

Turkey is not the side that Wants Partition - NEVER - it's only the Turkish Cypriots that want it. Trust me, if Turkey wanted the TRNC to be Recognised, like how it Forced the GCs and Greece to run around like headless chickens on the S300 missiles affair, Recognition would have been a much easier task. Therefore, any Cyprus Sleuth would know that Turkey wants, and is ONLY interested in, a FEDERAL agreement along with the Treaties of blah blah blah....I would have thought you'd known this by now.

TURKEY WOULD NEVER TRADE the so-called Recognition of the TRNC for its embedded Guarantor Rights found with the original Zurich Agreements and 1960 Constitution OF THE ENTIRE ISLAND.

Turkey officially couldn't want partition because the official Cyprus policy of the alliance she has been in, was based on reconciliation of Hellenes and Turks... Why? For the stability of the NATO that was needed to make it function properly for it's interests in our region but especially beyond, towards middle east and caucauses...

When Turkey negotiated partition, the allies were initiated it as an option in hope of finding a lasting solution to the Cyprus problem and bring an end to the never ending tensions between it's 2 allies; Greece and Turkey.

Your conclusion that only TCs wanted partition but Turkey didn't is wrong... Except some little divergence of opinion and inevitable, self-decided TC actions which arose from then the unexpected, extraordinary circumstances; TC leadership and Turkey have always carried out the common policies and action plans regarding the Cyprus problem...

You are also wrong about that Turkey wants to preserve the guarantorship on entire island... Why should she want it? A bilateral security and defence treaty between her and TRNC is sufficient for both Turkey and TCs for any purpose...

Besidies; it is obvious that GC administration is strongly willing to participate in PfP and most probably later in NATO... TRNC also wouldn't refuse to participate in both organizations in case there are two independent states in Cyprus...

In such a situation, the international organizations which the four states would take part in; force them to politically unite, participate and cooperate on most of the local,regional and global issues for common interests...

The reason of non-recognition of TRNC until now is also arisen from the political stance of especially 2 permenant members of UN; Russia and China because of a very well known reason...

[SKI-preo]

40,000 odd Turkish Cypriots have really F*&%ed things up for 80 million Anatolian Turks.