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[Acikgoz]

It took centuries for the Swiss constitution to get to its current state. The US is a terrible example for Cyprus.
Belgium would be closer and a review of the political issues in Belgium today underline the issues at the very least that would be relevant to a pan-democratic unified Cyprus.
Work in progress, basic confidence steps needed if you want to avoid bloodshed, political intransigence and racial issues.

[Malapapa]

Your contributions here give you away.

Give me away how?

That I do not live in Cyprus?

That you live in and for Turkey's regime on the island.

Btw, you sound nothing like someone who actually lives in Cyprus.

So? Perhaps more than half of TCs no longer live on the island because of the political situation. Shouldn't they be allowed to have a say either? Only Turkish apologists and settlers on the island?

[Viewpoint]

invalid.

You really need to eat some humble pie for as long as your posts remain clinical and racist (wont use biased) towards TCs no TC will take you seriously,

I think Kiks is biased against criminals like you in the north, and not against law abiding TCs anywhere else in the world, like himself.

I am not a criminal and havent you heard we have disowned him he has now become a full fledged GC, he argues your sides viewpoints more than you GCs.

You live in and benefit from a criminal regime, built on the ill-gotten lands and misery of displaced people, which amounts to the same thing. How can you "become" a GC? Just because he holds different views to you that doesn't make him GC. You calling him that makes you a racist.

VP is a Racists with Fascism on top of it.!

If VP was consistent with his accusations, he would be calling our good friend Bananiot a "Turk"!

Bananiot is something you will never be, unbiased he argues for both sides and his arguements ring true, I would trust him with my future in a unified state not even BBF but you I dont even trust with the current divide.

More Fart Alerts. Show me anything Bananiot argues against wrong doings by the TCs and Turkey, any more or less than I argue wrong doing done by the GCs. You are just trying to get yourself out of the jam you put yourself into with your, dare I say it, your biased views towards my comments, just because you do not like to hear the truth. Your reactions are and have always been transparent.

You like Bananiot just because he supported the disguised Partition Annan Plan (which I'm sure he was fooled by it back in 2004) and he also points out wrongs done by the GCs. You also claimed he is your friend (in real life). Show me another GC that you would like to live with who was against the AP or BBF under Confederation. Tell me which GCs you will live with who support True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles.?

You would have to ask Bananiot where he has argued against TCs or Turkey that would be much quicker but saying that his approach and understanding of the TC viewpoint is far far greater than yours and he is someone we could trust with our future, you and people like you will fortunately never be given that opportunity as you are not to be trusted because of your openly biased and distorted views.

How can I get this into your thick skull I would not demand the AP or Turkeys guarantees with Bananiot as it would not be necessary, unfortunately he is a mere minority and therefore in order to keep people like you in check we need all the safeguards and guarantees we can get plus some.

[shahmaran]

I mean just look at America, who really rules the country?

BTW blacks Americans are a minority. And the US, like Cyprus, had major ethnic issues in the 1960s. Luckily Africa wasn't in a position to invade and divide it.

This guy is a hoax, an illusion, he is a white republican dressed up as a black democrat.

It took them 250 years to elect a president from the minority who will act just like a white.

Are you willing to wait for 250 years before all preconceptions are dissolved?

Barack Obama, first and foremost is an American. That's the only reason why he was elected as the president of the United States of America, thanks to True Democracy.!

If Barack Obamas policys did not follow Bush from very close distance, I would almost say you have a point Kikapu.

No American president can act against the white supremacy, no matter the color, I mean look at Kennedy, how is that for a "true democracy"

Stop looking for excuses, Shah. You are far more intelligent person than to look for easy way out. They were/are all Americans. That's the common denominator they all share despite their individual situations. Same here in Switzerland with 4 main languages and people that makes up the Swiss culture and country..

250 years from the declaration of the state, considering the amount of torture the non-whites put up with there, Obama is hardly good news Kikapu.

We have been at it for 500 years, the moment we were left to our own devices we started butchering each other, obviously the constitution wen tout the window first, because somebody wants it ALL.

And now you want to drag us into a ethnocentric democracy with the same people, which you call a "true democracy" and expect us to believe that, us too in a few hundred years, might be able to become presidents in our own country.

Bargain!

I think the Russians or the Chinese will have a better chance

[shahmaran]

Also lets not forget that the US has done it with a multiple state solution.

Are you willing to do that?

[Lit]

I mean just look at America, who really rules the country?

BTW blacks Americans are a minority. And the US, like Cyprus, had major ethnic issues in the 1960s. Luckily Africa wasn't in a position to invade and divide it.

This guy is a hoax, an illusion, he is a white republican dressed up as a black democrat.

The people who voted this man into office do not see black or white. What they saw in this man were different policies from his predecessor. To you there may be know difference...but that is not how the majority of Americans feel. Indeed there is deep division in the US with many on the right of the political spectrum calling this president a socialist because of his policies on health care, changes to the financial system, policies on labor unions, unemployment benefits, etc, etc. What picture do you form in your head of a true Black democrat? Someone with a feather hat and a bone sticking out of his nose singing kumbaya to world leaders? And if Obama is a white republican dressed up as a black democrat...what do you call Michael Steele who is the chairman of the Republican National Committee? A black American leading the Republicans. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[DT.]

invalid.

You really need to eat some humble pie for as long as your posts remain clinical and racist (wont use biased) towards TCs no TC will take you seriously,

I think Kiks is biased against criminals like you in the north, and not against law abiding TCs anywhere else in the world, like himself.

I am not a criminal and havent you heard we have disowned him he has now become a full fledged GC, he argues your sides viewpoints more than you GCs.

You live in and benefit from a criminal regime, built on the ill-gotten lands and misery of displaced people, which amounts to the same thing. How can you "become" a GC? Just because he holds different views to you that doesn't make him GC. You calling him that makes you a racist.

VP is a Racists with Fascism on top of it.!

If VP was consistent with his accusations, he would be calling our good friend Bananiot a "Turk"!

Bananiot is something you will never be, unbiased he argues for both sides and his arguements ring true, I would trust him with my future in a unified state not even BBF but you I dont even trust with the current divide.

More Fart Alerts. Show me anything Bananiot argues against wrong doings by the TCs and Turkey, any more or less than I argue wrong doing done by the GCs. You are just trying to get yourself out of the jam you put yourself into with your, dare I say it, your biased views towards my comments, just because you do not like to hear the truth. Your reactions are and have always been transparent.

You like Bananiot just because he supported the disguised Partition Annan Plan (which I'm sure he was fooled by it back in 2004) and he also points out wrongs done by the GCs. You also claimed he is your friend (in real life). Show me another GC that you would like to live with who was against the AP or BBF under Confederation. Tell me which GCs you will live with who support True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles.?

You would have to ask Bananiot where he has argued against TCs or Turkey that would be much quicker but saying that his approach and understanding of the TC viewpoint is far far greater than yours and he is someone we could trust with our future, you and people like you will fortunately never be given that opportunity as you are not to be trusted because of your openly biased and distorted views.

How can I get this into your thick skull I would not demand the AP or Turkeys guarantees with Bananiot as it would not be necessary, unfortunately he is a mere minority and therefore in order to keep people like you in check we need all the safeguards and guarantees we can get plus some.

And how can you get it into you head that bananiot would never dream of asking for a unified and democratic state so you'd never be put into that position if all GC's were like Bananiot and all TC's like you.

COme to think of it if all GC's were bananiot and all TC's were like VP then there wouldn't be a problem. The GC's would rid themselves of these pesky ethnic titles and history and the TC's would fill the void with a good round of ataturk sing-alongs untill we'd be flying the star and crescent in all corners of Cyprus (in a trendy global village style of course).

[shahmaran]

I mean just look at America, who really rules the country?

BTW blacks Americans are a minority. And the US, like Cyprus, had major ethnic issues in the 1960s. Luckily Africa wasn't in a position to invade and divide it.

This guy is a hoax, an illusion, he is a white republican dressed up as a black democrat.

The people who voted this man into office do not see black or white. What they saw in this man were different policies from his predecessor. To you there may be know difference...but that is not how the majority of Americans feel. Indeed there is deep division in the US with many on the right of the political spectrum calling this president a socialist because of his policies on health care, changes to the financial system, policies on labor unions, unemployment benefits, etc, etc. What picture do you form in your head of a true Black democrat? Someone with a feather hat and a bone sticking out of his nose singing kumbaya to world leaders? And if Obama is a white republican dressed up as a black democrat...what do you call Michael Steele who is the chairman of the Republican National Committee? A black American leading the Republicans. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Continuing his war mongering ways just like Bush did, that's all that matters to me.

I do not give a shit about his health care policies or how "democratic" he is in his own country, to the rest of the world, he is a white-American interest defending cowboy.

His first job was given to him by Rockefeller for fucks sake, so you smoke that...

250 years to elect a black president that would do everything the white would do, is hardly a way forward.

Did you really think that they would have voted for another white republican after 2 years with Bush?!

[Nikitas]

VP said- "You are telling porkies what about 40.000 pontian greeks and the sudden jump in your population figures when they arrived? "

Shah said- "but you are the one who does not make one a citizen if one of their parents is not Cypriot. Never mind the fact that they are born and raised Cypriots"

It is 15000 Pontian who DID NOT get citizenship, they along with thousands of other EU citizens have RESIDENCE permits.

The rules of citizenship applied WORLDWIDE are based on the patrial, ie blood connection, principle or on territorial. Britain uses the patrial principle as does Cyprus. The USA applies the territorial principle, anyone borne on US soil gets US nationality. Decrying either one as Nazi is bullshit and you know it.

Naturalisation for foreigners in most countries involves an oath of allegiance or other overt or impicit act of allegiance to the nation granting nationality. Are you implying that those 180 000 "naturalised" settlers owe any allegiance to Cyprus?

Tell us and make us laugh.

[Kikapu]

invalid.

You really need to eat some humble pie for as long as your posts remain clinical and racist (wont use biased) towards TCs no TC will take you seriously,

I think Kiks is biased against criminals like you in the north, and not against law abiding TCs anywhere else in the world, like himself.

I am not a criminal and havent you heard we have disowned him he has now become a full fledged GC, he argues your sides viewpoints more than you GCs.

You live in and benefit from a criminal regime, built on the ill-gotten lands and misery of displaced people, which amounts to the same thing. How can you "become" a GC? Just because he holds different views to you that doesn't make him GC. You calling him that makes you a racist.

VP is a Racists with Fascism on top of it.!

If VP was consistent with his accusations, he would be calling our good friend Bananiot a "Turk"!

Bananiot is something you will never be, unbiased he argues for both sides and his arguements ring true, I would trust him with my future in a unified state not even BBF but you I dont even trust with the current divide.

More Fart Alerts. Show me anything Bananiot argues against wrong doings by the TCs and Turkey, any more or less than I argue wrong doing done by the GCs. You are just trying to get yourself out of the jam you put yourself into with your, dare I say it, your biased views towards my comments, just because you do not like to hear the truth. Your reactions are and have always been transparent.

You like Bananiot just because he supported the disguised Partition Annan Plan (which I'm sure he was fooled by it back in 2004) and he also points out wrongs done by the GCs. You also claimed he is your friend (in real life). Show me another GC that you would like to live with who was against the AP or BBF under Confederation. Tell me which GCs you will live with who support True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles.?

You would have to ask Bananiot where he has argued against TCs or Turkey that would be much quicker but saying that his approach and understanding of the TC viewpoint is far far greater than yours and he is someone we could trust with our future, you and people like you will fortunately never be given that opportunity as you are not to be trusted because of your openly biased and distorted views.

How can I get this into your thick skull I would not demand the AP or Turkeys guarantees with Bananiot as it would not be necessary, unfortunately he is a mere minority and therefore in order to keep people like you in check we need all the safeguards and guarantees we can get plus some.

Actually, you need to explain to me what is it that Bananiot shows the wrongs done by the TCs and Turkey and not by himself. You are the one who has made the below claim, therefore you prove to us that what you claim to be true. Sounds to me like you have gotten your balls squeezed in the vice again and now trying to wiggle your way out of it.! Ouch.!

Bananiot is something you will never be, unbiased he argues for both sides and his arguements ring true

But lets put that aside for the moment and say, just because Fascists are irrational people and no not like to hear what they don't want to hear, why do I have to be balanced in what I write. Can I not write what is what without having to criticize another unrelated circumstances that may have also happened by the GCs.? Why is it my responsibility to tell you what they did or did not do.? Why do I need to justify what I write as long as there are elements of truth to it.? I'm giving you my opinion on the subject at hand. You never criticize any wrongs done by the TCs and Turkey, so what does that make you, biased.?? Oh I forgot, you said you ONCE criticized the building of the bridge by Ledra Palace.!

That was very big of you, VP,....................... not.!!