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[shahmaran]

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[shahmaran]

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[Kikapu]

Kikapu you have sucessfully become the mouth piece for GC propaganda. According to your aboce comments the TCs inflicted all the pain and suffering on themselves and are wrong whereas the GCs are sqeeky clean and right. Well you can rest assured when you are dead and buried and long gone no one will give a rats arse about your biased one sided views because at this rate the TRNC will still be around only difference being it will be a recognized state thanks to people like you who continue to fuel the fires of division and total mistrust of unity camaflouged with dangers and pitfalls you call a true federation and democracy for all.

You obviously have a very serious comprehension problem with the written English language, VP. This is not the first time you have been accused of that by me. I have placed blame where blame belongs which did not absolve the GCs nor the TCs. Each had their own agendas and each had their own method of executing it. My post was only designed to show Shah why the north is a corrupted society and how it came about and how it is kept as such. If there is anyone who fuels "fires of division", you should look at yourself and your kind who are Racist Fascists who would do anything and everything to bring about partition and keep stolen land of others. You ideology after all does not differ from Denktash's, and that's exactly what he did to achieve it with the help of Turkey, even if it meant to step over his own peoples Human Rights. Fascism is a mental decease and irrational. You are a perfect example of what I'm talking about where anything rational put to you is refused by you for a settlement, just because a unity is not what you are after but partition and keeping "spoils of war" at the same time. You have your favorite word, "biased" to label anything and everything and anyone just to absolve yourselves and the TCs of any wrong doings. I'm not that easily deterred by your simpleton expressions or choice of few words to try and deflect a constructive arguments put forward by myself. The fact that you are unable to refute or challenge them, but instead you just throw the overused "biased" word around to hide behind it. It seems like, that's all about what you can do.!

[Kikapu]

I am sorry Kikapu, but why would you or anyone in the right mind, expect us to live under a so called "democracy" where my voting power will clearly hold no weight EVER, because I am not from the ethnic background of the majority?!

So what are you saying, Shah, that every numerical minority should seek self determination by carving part of the country for themselves, because there are always numerical minorities in every nation. The only thing that keeps equality of all citizens rights is True Democracy, nothing else.!

So what are you going to do now, since the settlers are now the majority and the TCs are the minority in the north. Have you decided which part of the north the TCs are going to declare self determination from the settlers yet.???

[shahmaran]

I am sorry Kikapu, but why would you or anyone in the right mind, expect us to live under a so called "democracy" where my voting power will clearly hold no weight EVER, because I am not from the ethnic background of the majority?!

So what are you saying, Shah, that every numerical minority should seek self determination by carving part of the country for themselves, because there are always numerical minorities in every nation. The only thing that keeps equality of all citizens rights is True Democracy, nothing else.!

So what are you going to do now, since the settlers are now the majority and the TCs are the minority in the north. Have you decided which part of the north the TCs are going to declare self determination from the settlers yet.???

I am not saying "every", there never is "every".

I am saying in this instance, when there is such a sharp division between ethnicity, there can never be a so called "true democracy", if there could ever be such a thing in the first place, it definitely wont happen in Cyprus.

There is plain old democracy that works OK in countries that do not have any ethnic issues as ours, and there is Ethnocracy that looks and acts like a democracy but only serves one ethnic group.

In my view that's what most countries have anyway but they just prefer to call it democracy.

I mean just look at America, who really rules the country?

Everyone and anyone who can vote? You must be kidding man.

[Malapapa]

I mean just look at America, who really rules the country?

BTW blacks Americans are a minority. And the US, like Cyprus, had major ethnic issues in the 1960s. Luckily Africa wasn't in a position to invade and divide it.

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu you have sucessfully become the mouth piece for GC propaganda. According to your aboce comments the TCs inflicted all the pain and suffering on themselves and are wrong whereas the GCs are sqeeky clean and right. Well you can rest assured when you are dead and buried and long gone no one will give a rats arse about your biased one sided views because at this rate the TRNC will still be around only difference being it will be a recognized state thanks to people like you who continue to fuel the fires of division and total mistrust of unity camaflouged with dangers and pitfalls you call a true federation and democracy for all.

You obviously have a very serious comprehension problem with the written English language, VP. This is not the first time you have been accused of that by me. I have placed blame where blame belongs which did not absolve the GCs nor the TCs. Each had their own agendas and each had their own method of executing it. My post was only designed to show Shah why the north is a corrupted society and how it came about and how it is kept as such. If there is anyone who fuels "fires of division", you should look at yourself and your kind who are Racist Fascists who would do anything and everything to bring about partition and keep stolen land of others. You ideology after all does not differ from Denktash's, and that's exactly what he did to achieve it with the help of Turkey, even if it meant to step over his own peoples Human Rights. Fascism is a mental decease and irrational. You are a perfect example of what I'm talking about where anything rational put to you is refused by you for a settlement, just because a unity is not what you are after but partition and keeping "spoils of war" at the same time. You have your favorite word, "biased" to label anything and everything and anyone just to absolve yourselves and the TCs of any wrong doings. I'm not that easily deterred by your simpleton expressions or choice of few words to try and deflect a constructive arguments put forward by myself. The fact that you are unable to refute or challenge them, but instead you just throw the overused "biased" word around to hide behind it. It seems like, that's all about what you can do.!

This is a typical response to any post where you feel challenged or threatened, my comprehension skills or use of the English many not be as good as yours (hello there are varying degrees all over the world) but that does not detract from the fact that my posts are very clear and sincere, you are the one who is unable to produce valid responses and counter arguements other than what you state is 100% correct so therefore should be accepted by everyone. Well Im sorry (not) to be the one to have burst you bubble but you do not know what you are talking about, you have officially become the mouth piece no the crusader for the Gc cause, you complain that I over use the word biased well in the face of your posts your biased is clear for everyone to see and read as it is riddled throughout your posts, not once have you challenged anything your GCs brothers have put forward thus making you and your viewpoints invalid.

You really need to eat some humble pie for as long as your posts remain clinical and racist (wont use biased) towards TCs no TC will take you seriously, all you will do is reconfirm time and time again that we cannot live with the GCs as they want to force us into minority status in a GC state.

[Malapapa]

invalid.

You really need to eat some humble pie for as long as your posts remain clinical and racist (wont use biased) towards TCs no TC will take you seriously,

I think Kiks is biased against criminals like you in the north, and not against law abiding TCs anywhere else in the world, like himself.

[Viewpoint]

I am sorry Kikapu, but why would you or anyone in the right mind, expect us to live under a so called "democracy" where my voting power will clearly hold no weight EVER, because I am not from the ethnic background of the majority?!

So what are you saying, Shah, that every numerical minority should seek self determination by carving part of the country for themselves, because there are always numerical minorities in every nation. The only thing that keeps equality of all citizens rights is True Democracy, nothing else.!

So what are you going to do now, since the settlers are now the majority and the TCs are the minority in the north. Have you decided which part of the north the TCs are going to declare self determination from the settlers yet.???

Seeing that we all get along and everyone supports the TRNC we can have it all together.

[shahmaran]

I mean just look at America, who really rules the country?

BTW blacks Americans are a minority. And the US, like Cyprus, had major ethnic issues in the 1960s. Luckily Africa wasn't in a position to invade and divide it.

This guy is a hoax, an illusion, he is a white republican dressed up as a black democrat.

It took them 250 years to elect a president from the minority who will act just like a white.

Are you willing to wait for 250 years before all preconceptions are dissolved?