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[shahmaran]

The two states will be known as follows: The Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus, and the TRNC.

I think it is a positive direction, but whats with the names?

It is only suggesting that we are "Turkish" while they are "Greek Cypriot".

Either we are both Cypriot or we are both Greek/Turkish.

How about "The Northern Republic of Cyprus" and "The Southern Republic of Cyprus" ?

If they are called the Greek Cypriot Republic then we should also be called the Turkish Cypriot Republic.

But since the country is known as Cyprus anyway, then why bother with repeating that name within the State names in the first place?

I think the less suggestive of ethnicity the better, I am sick of this ethnic crap, it is the least of humanities worries yet some idiots pay way too much attention to it....

Hello Shah,

The north does not want to be known as Turkish Cypriots, but TURKISH only, hence the name "trnc" created by Turkey. Turkey just uses the TC name brand to justify her occupation of the north, but in reality, she just wants the north to be Turkish only, which the Fascist TC leaderships have been only too willing to bend over and do as they have been told and the hell with those true Turkish Cypriots in what they want.!

Hi Kikapu!!

I agree TRNC sounds way too "mainland" and synthetic, never really liked it myself, then again I also don't think we had much say in it.

But obviously during the dark era, neither parties cared much about being just Cypriot and I am assuming neither of the mainlands wanted to even hear about any of that non-sense.

Considering the fact that even many of the GC's wanted to be a part of Greece If they had succeeded to do so, this place would have been no different than Santorini or Simi.

They would just be some Greeks living on another Greek island, as we are supposed to be some Turks living on another Turkish island, sad really...

I agree with you, Shah, that had Enosis was declared in the 60's, in what it would have been in Cyprus today, but lucky for all those who still claim in being Cypriots first (TCs & GCs), it did not happen and to a large degree, the RoC is still keeping the Cypriotism alive, but regrettably, the TCs in the north have long became an accomplice with Turkey to the extermination of their own culture and ethnicity in the name of being "saved of extermination" from the GCs.! So I guess we TCs didn't really care of having our identity and culture of being exterminated, is just that, we only cared who was going to do it.! Surely if that's what we wanted, we could have asked the GCs to pay us good money to leave the island back when and go and live in Turkey as rich immigrants, which in time, we would have lost our TC identity and culture, only no one would have lost their lives.!

Kikapu I believe many TC's were indeed payed to leave the island, jobs arranged abroad and everything.

I don't directly affiliate myself with Turkey ethnically but I do need to rely ob Turkey in order to survive as I have no other choice. I am sure many TC's are in similar situation, weather it be Turkey or Australia or UK etc. TRNC is a though place to survive unless you have taken over Greek property or are just happy to run a kebab shop.

You cannot blame them for it.

I also believe the GC's only started boasting about the Cypriot identity once they had lost their fight in "purifying" the island. It is just another front for their relentless racism. Now that they have legally secured their place as the "rulers" of the legally recognized Cyprus, it is no surprise that this Cypriotism has suddenly emerged, because now they can afford to have anyone call them selves Cypriot since it equals living under their Greek Cypriot rule.

History has recorded how much the GC's truly care about "Cypriotism" when it meant power share between two ethnic groups. They totally trashed it!

Luckily they can now see that there is no other way out, either we share or they loose, as we have nothing more to loose.

[zan]

The two states will be known as follows: The Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus, and the TRNC.

I think it is a positive direction, but whats with the names?

It is only suggesting that we are "Turkish" while they are "Greek Cypriot".

Either we are both Cypriot or we are both Greek/Turkish.

How about "The Northern Republic of Cyprus" and "The Southern Republic of Cyprus" ?

If they are called the Greek Cypriot Republic then we should also be called the Turkish Cypriot Republic.

But since the country is known as Cyprus anyway, then why bother with repeating that name within the State names in the first place?

I think the less suggestive of ethnicity the better, I am sick of this ethnic crap, it is the least of humanities worries yet some idiots pay way too much attention to it....

Hello Shah,

The north does not want to be known as Turkish Cypriots, but TURKISH only, hence the name "trnc" created by Turkey. Turkey just uses the TC name brand to justify her occupation of the north, but in reality, she just wants the north to be Turkish only, which the Fascist TC leaderships have been only too willing to bend over and do as they have been told and the hell with those true Turkish Cypriots in what they want.!

Hi Kikapu!!

I agree TRNC sounds way too "mainland" and synthetic, never really liked it myself, then again I also don't think we had much say in it.

But obviously during the dark era, neither parties cared much about being just Cypriot and I am assuming neither of the mainlands wanted to even hear about any of that non-sense.

Considering the fact that even many of the GC's wanted to be a part of Greece If they had succeeded to do so, this place would have been no different than Santorini or Simi.

They would just be some Greeks living on another Greek island, as we are supposed to be some Turks living on another Turkish island, sad really...

I agree with you, Shah, that had Enosis was declared in the 60's, in what it would have been in Cyprus today, but lucky for all those who still claim in being Cypriots first (TCs & GCs), it did not happen and to a large degree, the RoC is still keeping the Cypriotism alive, but regrettably, the TCs in the north have long became an accomplice with Turkey to the extermination of their own culture and ethnicity in the name of being "saved of extermination" from the GCs.! So I guess we TCs didn't really care of having our identity and culture of being exterminated, is just that, we only cared who was going to do it.! Surely if that's what we wanted, we could have asked the GCs to pay us good money to leave the island back when and go and live in Turkey as rich immigrants, which in time, we would have lost our TC identity and culture, only no one would have lost their lives.!

Now let me see....Culture or my life........................ .....................................................Nope! Can't make up my mind. We will have to link these two items as one discussion!!!!!

TCs, their idendity and their cuture were alive and well before 1974, Zan. It's what happened to the TCs idendity and culture after 1974.!

So,what are you saying, that by Turkey invading in 1974, the cost for the TCs was to give up their identity and Culture and become Turks, even though there is no evidence that the TCs would have been exterminated by the Junta of Greece under the noses of the British, the Americans and Turkey, therefore, there were never any TC extermination in the makings by anyone.

My brother inlaws aunt still makes helim from the milk produced in her own farm. My aunt still cooks molahiya and has taught her children to. They still have two flags flying in their house as before 1974 only this time one is the TRNC flag. They all still moan like TCs have alway done. This visit, on my sisters funeral, they were moaning about traffic jams. 20 cars was a massive jam for them and added 5 minutes to their journey......What I WOULD like to say to them is...Welcome to the 21st century......The GC culture has changed (Before you try to defend it; I do not see many pictures of baggy pants and donkeys in the high street) and so has all the world. Including the small island of Menorca that I have been visiting for the last 17 years. So perhaps you can give me your ideal moment in time that you would like to impose on the TC people. As I have said before mate......We are not going to be the red indians of the USA and perform our rain dance for the tourists.

[Kikapu]

The two states will be known as follows: The Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus, and the TRNC.

I think it is a positive direction, but whats with the names?

It is only suggesting that we are "Turkish" while they are "Greek Cypriot".

Either we are both Cypriot or we are both Greek/Turkish.

How about "The Northern Republic of Cyprus" and "The Southern Republic of Cyprus" ?

If they are called the Greek Cypriot Republic then we should also be called the Turkish Cypriot Republic.

But since the country is known as Cyprus anyway, then why bother with repeating that name within the State names in the first place?

I think the less suggestive of ethnicity the better, I am sick of this ethnic crap, it is the least of humanities worries yet some idiots pay way too much attention to it....

Hello Shah,

The north does not want to be known as Turkish Cypriots, but TURKISH only, hence the name "trnc" created by Turkey. Turkey just uses the TC name brand to justify her occupation of the north, but in reality, she just wants the north to be Turkish only, which the Fascist TC leaderships have been only too willing to bend over and do as they have been told and the hell with those true Turkish Cypriots in what they want.!

Hi Kikapu!!

I agree TRNC sounds way too "mainland" and synthetic, never really liked it myself, then again I also don't think we had much say in it.

But obviously during the dark era, neither parties cared much about being just Cypriot and I am assuming neither of the mainlands wanted to even hear about any of that non-sense.

Considering the fact that even many of the GC's wanted to be a part of Greece If they had succeeded to do so, this place would have been no different than Santorini or Simi.

They would just be some Greeks living on another Greek island, as we are supposed to be some Turks living on another Turkish island, sad really...

I agree with you, Shah, that had Enosis was declared in the 60's, in what it would have been in Cyprus today, but lucky for all those who still claim in being Cypriots first (TCs & GCs), it did not happen and to a large degree, the RoC is still keeping the Cypriotism alive, but regrettably, the TCs in the north have long became an accomplice with Turkey to the extermination of their own culture and ethnicity in the name of being "saved of extermination" from the GCs.! So I guess we TCs didn't really care of having our identity and culture of being exterminated, is just that, we only cared who was going to do it.! Surely if that's what we wanted, we could have asked the GCs to pay us good money to leave the island back when and go and live in Turkey as rich immigrants, which in time, we would have lost our TC identity and culture, only no one would have lost their lives.!

Now let me see....Culture or my life........................ .....................................................Nope! Can't make up my mind. We will have to link these two items as one discussion!!!!!

TCs, their idendity and their cuture were alive and well before 1974, Zan. It's what happened to the TCs idendity and culture after 1974.!

So,what are you saying, that by Turkey invading in 1974, the cost for the TCs was to give up their identity and Culture and become Turks, even though there is no evidence that the TCs would have been exterminated by the Junta of Greece under the noses of the British, the Americans and Turkey, therefore, there were never any TC extermination in the makings by anyone.

My brother inlaws aunt still makes helim from the milk produced in her own farm. My aunt still cooks molahiya and has taught her children to. They still have two flags flying in their house as before 1974 only this time one is the TRNC flag. They all still moan like TCs have alway done. This visit, on my sisters funeral, they were moaning about traffic jams. 20 cars was a massive jam for them and added 5 minutes to their journey......What I WOULD like to say to them is...Welcome to the 21st century......The GC culture has changed (Before you try to defend it; I do not see many pictures of baggy pants and donkeys in the high street) and so has all the world. Including the small island of Menorca that I have been visiting for the last 17 years. So perhaps you can give me your ideal moment in time that you would like to impose on the TC people. As I have said before mate......We are not going to be the red indians of the USA and perform our rain dance for the tourists.

Yes, Zan, yours and my TC families of Cyprus has already become the "Red Indians" to the huge population of Turkey and the Anatolian living in the north as a "tourist attraction". They see us nothing but a uneducated heathens who can't even speak the Turkish language and lack the "sophistication" they presume to posses, even though most of them do not have a pot to piss in. The process has already started Zan, and you had already told us what looks you got from the Turkish owned restaurant in the north when they heard your unsophisticated Cypriot accent.! They didn't see you as a TC, but a "Red Indian".!

By the way, Zan, I had no idea your sister had passed away. Sorry to hear it.!

Geçmis olsun.!

[shahmaran]

I'm sorry to hear that as well Zan!

Başın sağ olsun dostum.

[zan]

The two states will be known as follows: The Greek Cypriot Republic of Cyprus, and the TRNC.

I think it is a positive direction, but whats with the names?

It is only suggesting that we are "Turkish" while they are "Greek Cypriot".

Either we are both Cypriot or we are both Greek/Turkish.

How about "The Northern Republic of Cyprus" and "The Southern Republic of Cyprus" ?

If they are called the Greek Cypriot Republic then we should also be called the Turkish Cypriot Republic.

But since the country is known as Cyprus anyway, then why bother with repeating that name within the State names in the first place?

I think the less suggestive of ethnicity the better, I am sick of this ethnic crap, it is the least of humanities worries yet some idiots pay way too much attention to it....

Hello Shah,

The north does not want to be known as Turkish Cypriots, but TURKISH only, hence the name "trnc" created by Turkey. Turkey just uses the TC name brand to justify her occupation of the north, but in reality, she just wants the north to be Turkish only, which the Fascist TC leaderships have been only too willing to bend over and do as they have been told and the hell with those true Turkish Cypriots in what they want.!

Hi Kikapu!!

I agree TRNC sounds way too "mainland" and synthetic, never really liked it myself, then again I also don't think we had much say in it.

But obviously during the dark era, neither parties cared much about being just Cypriot and I am assuming neither of the mainlands wanted to even hear about any of that non-sense.

Considering the fact that even many of the GC's wanted to be a part of Greece If they had succeeded to do so, this place would have been no different than Santorini or Simi.

They would just be some Greeks living on another Greek island, as we are supposed to be some Turks living on another Turkish island, sad really...

I agree with you, Shah, that had Enosis was declared in the 60's, in what it would have been in Cyprus today, but lucky for all those who still claim in being Cypriots first (TCs & GCs), it did not happen and to a large degree, the RoC is still keeping the Cypriotism alive, but regrettably, the TCs in the north have long became an accomplice with Turkey to the extermination of their own culture and ethnicity in the name of being "saved of extermination" from the GCs.! So I guess we TCs didn't really care of having our identity and culture of being exterminated, is just that, we only cared who was going to do it.! Surely if that's what we wanted, we could have asked the GCs to pay us good money to leave the island back when and go and live in Turkey as rich immigrants, which in time, we would have lost our TC identity and culture, only no one would have lost their lives.!

Now let me see....Culture or my life........................ .....................................................Nope! Can't make up my mind. We will have to link these two items as one discussion!!!!!

TCs, their idendity and their cuture were alive and well before 1974, Zan. It's what happened to the TCs idendity and culture after 1974.!

So,what are you saying, that by Turkey invading in 1974, the cost for the TCs was to give up their identity and Culture and become Turks, even though there is no evidence that the TCs would have been exterminated by the Junta of Greece under the noses of the British, the Americans and Turkey, therefore, there were never any TC extermination in the makings by anyone.

My brother inlaws aunt still makes helim from the milk produced in her own farm. My aunt still cooks molahiya and has taught her children to. They still have two flags flying in their house as before 1974 only this time one is the TRNC flag. They all still moan like TCs have alway done. This visit, on my sisters funeral, they were moaning about traffic jams. 20 cars was a massive jam for them and added 5 minutes to their journey......What I WOULD like to say to them is...Welcome to the 21st century......The GC culture has changed (Before you try to defend it; I do not see many pictures of baggy pants and donkeys in the high street) and so has all the world. Including the small island of Menorca that I have been visiting for the last 17 years. So perhaps you can give me your ideal moment in time that you would like to impose on the TC people. As I have said before mate......We are not going to be the red indians of the USA and perform our rain dance for the tourists.

Yes, Zan, yours and my TC families of Cyprus has already become the "Red Indians" to the huge population of Turkey and the Anatolian living in the north as a "tourist attraction". They see us nothing but a uneducated heathens who can't even speak the Turkish language and lack the "sophistication" they presume to posses, even though most of them do not have a pot to piss in. The process has already started Zan, and you had already told us what looks you got from the Turkish owned restaurant in the north when they heard your unsophisticated Cypriot accent.! They didn't see you as a TC, but a "Red Indian".!

By the way, Zan, I had no idea your sister had passed away. Sorry to hear it.!

Geçmis olsun.!

I can understand your distrust of mainland Turks but I get that sort of treatment where ever I go so my own brothers doing that is no excuse to ditch them. As for my experience; I have had positive results as well. I was treated like royalty, for that very reason, my TC accent. I was told, in the middle of Lefcosa, that they were happy that I was using their facilities and that not many TCs do. In asked a while back if this was true of TCs and got a rather abrupt answer from Ice-man.

I don't give much credence to tittle tattle mate and have realised long ago that everyone is insecure and always look for the slightest difference to pick on one another. You have no idea how many Turkish shops and restaurants are opening and have opened all around the UK so I am well used to mixing. Not that my family have not had mainland Turks as friends before. Our politics are the same though which I cant say the same for the GCs. Nonetheless, they all live under the TRNC government and will do. You can live under Greek rule and lump it for all I care and wish you all the luck in the world but I am far happier living as a TC than a muslim Greek. Sorry but thats the way it is and reforms will come and the TRNC will work.......After all, why else would the "RoC" do all it can to stop us from doing so

You have taken the easy route of blame and ridicule with lies and exaggeration., I have decided to help build a better future. My cup is half full. I need not worry about it being full. Your cup is always half empty with a leaky cracked glass. It is only a matter of time before its empty and you will be the friend of the "Cypriots". Please take a counter with you so you can record how many times you are introduced as "My TC friend" or even worse, "My honorary Cypriot friend".........


I was speaking to a forum member a while back when I said to him that I felt lucky because I had the TRNC as my home. His response was that he was luckier because he had the whole island. True...But...He, and you, will never feel at home in either.......I still consider myself lucky.

[zan]

I'm sorry to hear that as well Zan!

Başın sağ olsun dostum.

Dostlar sagolsun gardas!

Thanks Shahmaran. Nice to see you are still around

[Nikitas]

If the two state solution comes to pass, what is the hypothetical outcome for TCs who hold RoC passports and nationality?

Are they deprived of their nationality as part of the two state deal? Do they get a chance to choose between the two nationalities? Do they have an option for dual citizenship which by necessity must be accorded to GCs? Is there another way to deal with this question?

What happens to the social and health insureance credits some TCs have in the RoC?

[Nikitas]

Shahmaran wrote:

"Considering the fact that even many of the GC's wanted to be a part of Greece If they had succeeded to do so, this place would have been no different than Santorini or Simi. "

Presumably you have been to both islands and do not seem to have regsitered how different they are compared to each other let alone Cyprus. I am not referring to the topography, which is obviously different.

Did you notice the catholic churches in Santorini for instance? Did you notice that Santorini has the signs of a mostly agcrigultural society, while Symi looks more ike a wealthy suburb and almost all its houses are neoclassical mansions? Did you try to figure out the difference or how the people of Symi lived and prospered without an inch of cultivated land in the days before tourism?

How did Enosis work out in big islands, like Crete, Siciy, Sardegnia and Corsica? Was any of the "motehrlands" able to steamroll its way in these islands? I am no proponent of Enosis, but seeing how things have worked out, it seems that GCs were in principle for it and in practice against, while the TCs were opposed but have submitted to a unique process of absorption with Turkey in what amounts to the most complete and total Enosis ever practiced in any Mediterranean island. The TRNC is more Turkish than Sicily is Italian, Corsica French or Crete Greek.

Symi and Santorini have preserved more of their local culture than the TRNC has.

[zan]

Shahmaran wrote:

"Considering the fact that even many of the GC's wanted to be a part of Greece If they had succeeded to do so, this place would have been no different than Santorini or Simi. "

Presumably you have been to both islands and do not seem to have regsitered how different they are compared to each other let alone Cyprus. I am not referring to the topography, which is obviously different.

Did you notice the catholic churches in Santorini for instance? Did you notice that Santorini has the signs of a mostly agcrigultural society, while Symi looks more ike a wealthy suburb and almost all its houses are neoclassical mansions? Did you try to figure out the difference or how the people of Symi lived and prospered without an inch of cultivated land in the days before tourism?

How did Enosis work out in big islands, like Crete, Siciy, Sardegnia and Corsica? Was any of the "motehrlands" able to steamroll its way in these islands? I am no proponent of Enosis, but seeing how things have worked out, it seems that GCs were in principle for it and in practice against, while the TCs were opposed but have submitted to a unique process of absorption with Turkey in what amounts to the most complete and total Enosis ever practiced in any Mediterranean island. The TRNC is more Turkish than Sicily is Italian, Corsica French or Crete Greek.

Symi and Santorini have preserved more of their local culture than the TRNC has.

Under one ruler they had the freedom to do so.....Under Greek oppression the TCs have not had that luxury.....It is a pointless comparison until you ask anyone around the world if they knew of a Turkish population of these places and their answer would be OXI!!!!

[Nikitas]

So why is the TRNC more obviously Turkified than Sicily is Italian, or Corsica French? The reliance of an external threat is a weak excuse. The more likely answer is that Turkey has such a huge identity insecurity that it has to reinforce turkishness at every step of the way. That is not due to any external threat, more to possible internal challenges. The TCs did not have such problems, they always knew who they were, but along comes Turkey with its Kemalis-Islamist psychosis to steam roll the one and only community that did not need such treatment.

That there are people who say this is OK is the fascinating aspect here.

Now dont you go tellimg me that there were Turks on Santorini and Symi. Even the Ottoman tax collectors would not go there, preferring to subcontract the jobs to foreigners.