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[pappy_sydney]

Piratis said

Cyprus is Greek and Cypriots (the vast majority of them, those who have 1000s of years history on this island) are Greek. The only reason why Cyprus is not part of the Greek state today is that this right was denied to the Cypriot people by the foreign imperialists.

well said piratis !!!!!!!!!!! to the point, miltiades and Get Real are still CONFUSED !!!! A Greek does not have to be someone from Greece only !!!! To be Cypriot is to be Greek ...our history culture language religion confirms that..a perfect analogy are the Sicilians who have a strong regional identity and are different from the Italians in many ways but are still Italians...

[denizaksulu]

Dude, and I suppose you missed the ugly mess on Pentadaktylos.
You should've been thinking Turkish Apartheid still exists..

Who is the dude?

If you are implying me, then I suggest you do a search and find my thread on the Pentadaktylos flags and my opposition to it.

siga re Deniz, taking offense so quickly.
I was talking to the clueless Australian who posted this thread.

If you address the person, then there will be no mistake.

What our Ozzie friend was saying differs from what his GreekCyp friends are telling him. Its just an observation. We cant shoot him for that.

Yeah, I can see where the confusion can arise. Ok, sorry man, my bad.

Dont say sorry. I dont want us to end up like CY44.

eg.[This is my response to msg 69.]

[Get Real!]

Cyprus is Greek and Cypriots (the vast majority of them, those who have 1000s of years history on this island) are Greek. The only reason why Cyprus is not part of the Greek state today is that this right was denied to the Cypriot people by the foreign imperialists.

No, being “Greek” was just a peasant’s fad predominantly from the 1930s to the 70s, that came and went! Today, nobody wants to be “Greek” anymore… not even Greeks themselves; they’re ashamed of their own country!

These days it’s in fashion to be Cypriot whilst being Greek means being a loser!

So, you should stop denying Cypriots of what they want to be…THEMSELVES!

[Get Real!]

Piratis said

Cyprus is Greek and Cypriots (the vast majority of them, those who have 1000s of years history on this island) are Greek. The only reason why Cyprus is not part of the Greek state today is that this right was denied to the Cypriot people by the foreign imperialists.

well said piratis !!!!!!!!!!! to the point, miltiades and Get Real are still CONFUSED !!!! A Greek does not have to be someone from Greece only !!!! To be Cypriot is to be Greek ...our history culture language religion confirms that..a perfect analogy are the Sicilians who have a strong regional identity and are different from the Italians in many ways but are still Italians...

Give it up little puppy, it’s over!

Greece is well and truly fucked beyond redemption.

[zan]

Piratis said

Cyprus is Greek and Cypriots (the vast majority of them, those who have 1000s of years history on this island) are Greek. The only reason why Cyprus is not part of the Greek state today is that this right was denied to the Cypriot people by the foreign imperialists.

well said piratis !!!!!!!!!!! to the point, miltiades and Get Real are still CONFUSED !!!! A Greek does not have to be someone from Greece only !!!! To be Cypriot is to be Greek ...our history culture language religion confirms that..a perfect analogy are the Sicilians who have a strong regional identity and are different from the Italians in many ways but are still Italians...

Well said P-S.......Have you taken it one step further and applied that to the TCs?????

[miltiades]

Piratis said

Cyprus is Greek and Cypriots (the vast majority of them, those who have 1000s of years history on this island) are Greek. The only reason why Cyprus is not part of the Greek state today is that this right was denied to the Cypriot people by the foreign imperialists.

well said piratis !!!!!!!!!!! to the point, miltiades and Get Real are still CONFUSED !!!! A Greek does not have to be someone from Greece only !!!! To be Cypriot is to be Greek ...our history culture language religion confirms that..a perfect analogy are the Sicilians who have a strong regional identity and are different from the Italians in many ways but are still Italians...

If the Greeks want to be Cypriots we may just accept them just as .....they did way back in 1945-1920 .
We have nothing to learn from this corrupt and bankrupt nation of bloody crooks, tax evaders , selfish , self opinionated modern day barbarians living in Greece.
So proud to be a Cypriot , the best looking men in the world , the sexiest funniest , give or take a GR or two , we are the best we are the Cypriots !!

[Piratis]

I have just returned from the TRNC visiting my family and decided to take a trip down south as I have never seen my parents village. To my suprise (or suspision) what I saw was Greek mainland flags flying next to the Cyprus flag.

Gc's have always told me they are not Greek they are Cypriot, but as I suspected this isnot true. Why would you fly the Greek Flag in Cyprus. Here in Australia, we don't fly the British flag (although the union jack is imbedded in it), or the USA flag?

All I can think of is Enosis still exists.

Cyprus is Greek and Cypriots (the vast majority of them, those who have 1000s of years history on this island) are Greek. The only reason why Cyprus is not part of the Greek state today is that this right was denied to the Cypriot people by the foreign imperialists.

Piratis do please allow me to raise a fundamental point in response to your assertion that Cyprus is Greek and the people on it are Greeks.
Where may I ask does it leave people such as I , a proud Cypriot and one who considers himself a Greek Cypriot but in no way a Greek .We use therm ELLINOKIPREOS and ELLADITIS.
We are Cypriots first and foremost , have NEVER been a part of Greece , we are related there is no doubt about that but we not Greeks we are Cypriots.

The answer is simple Miltiades: It leaves you in the minority of the people who are Cypriots but are not Greek. Or rather in the minority of people who capitulated to foreign pressure and gave up their ethnicity as a result.

The "Cypriots first and foremost" can be true, but it depends on how you see it. I can also say I am "Limassolian first and foremost". Or I am of "XYZ family first and foremost". Or I am "Piratis first and foremost". Or we could go the other way and say we are "Humans of planet earth first and foremost". All of those statements would be true. I can be Piratis, Limassolian, Cypriot, Greek, European and human of plant Earth. None of those identities contradicts another and they can all be true at the same time.

No foreign can tell us what our identity should be. It is only up to each one of us to decide with our own free will, without pressure and blackmails.

Cyprus doesn't need to be part of the modern Greek state to be Greek. Unless you will claim that there was nothing Greek until less than 2 centuries ago when the first Greek state was formed. The only reason that Cyprus is not part of the modern Greek state is that this right was refused to us by foreign imperialists.

[Piratis]

Piratis said

Cyprus is Greek and Cypriots (the vast majority of them, those who have 1000s of years history on this island) are Greek. The only reason why Cyprus is not part of the Greek state today is that this right was denied to the Cypriot people by the foreign imperialists.

well said piratis !!!!!!!!!!! to the point, miltiades and Get Real are still CONFUSED !!!! A Greek does not have to be someone from Greece only !!!! To be Cypriot is to be Greek ...our history culture language religion confirms that..a perfect analogy are the Sicilians who have a strong regional identity and are different from the Italians in many ways but are still Italians...

Well said P-S.......Have you taken it one step further and applied that to the TCs?????

Ethnic minorities exist everywhere Zan. You can have whatever identity you want. You can be "Turkish Cypriot", "Cypriot Turk", "Turk", "Cypriot", "Muslim Cypriot", "Ottoman" etc, but you should also respect our identity, and understand that we are the majority and the people who shaped the culture and identity of this island for 1000s of years.

[Omer Seyhan]

I have just returned from the TRNC visiting my family and decided to take a trip down south as I have never seen my parents village. To my suprise (or suspision) what I saw was Greek mainland flags flying next to the Cyprus flag.

Gc's have always told me they are not Greek they are Cypriot, but as I suspected this isnot true. Why would you fly the Greek Flag in Cyprus. Here in Australia, we don't fly the British flag (although the union jack is imbedded in it), or the USA flag?

All I can think of is Enosis still exists.

No, I'm afraid I have to agree. You have your own issues to deal with. If you are Turkish Cypriot, which is also Cypriot (its up to you if you want to add the prefix), how on earth can you present yourself as a Turk???? I'm disgusted. Why do you hate your own culture / country?

[Omer Seyhan]

I have just returned from the TRNC visiting my family and decided to take a trip down south as I have never seen my parents village. To my suprise (or suspision) what I saw was Greek mainland flags flying next to the Cyprus flag.

Gc's have always told me they are not Greek they are Cypriot, but as I suspected this isnot true. Why would you fly the Greek Flag in Cyprus. Here in Australia, we don't fly the British flag (although the union jack is imbedded in it), or the USA flag?

All I can think of is Enosis still exists.

Cyprus is Greek and Cypriots (the vast majority of them, those who have 1000s of years history on this island) are Greek. The only reason why Cyprus is not part of the Greek state today is that this right was denied to the Cypriot people by the foreign imperialists.

Piratis do please allow me to raise a fundamental point in response to your assertion that Cyprus is Greek and the people on it are Greeks.
Where may I ask does it leave people such as I , a proud Cypriot and one who considers himself a Greek Cypriot but in no way a Greek .We use therm ELLINOKIPREOS and ELLADITIS.
We are Cypriots first and foremost , have NEVER been a part of Greece , we are related there is no doubt about that but we not Greeks we are Cypriots.

The answer is simple Miltiades: It leaves you in the minority of the people who are Cypriots but are not Greek. Or rather in the minority of people who capitulated to foreign pressure and gave up their ethnicity as a result.

The "Cypriots first and foremost" can be true, but it depends on how you see it. I can also say I am "Limassolian first and foremost". Or I am of "XYZ family first and foremost". Or I am "Piratis first and foremost". Or we could go the other way and say we are "Humans of planet earth first and foremost". All of those statements would be true. I can be Piratis, Limassolian, Cypriot, Greek, European and human of plant Earth. None of those identities contradicts another and they can all be true at the same time.

No foreign can tell us what our identity should be. It is only up to each one of us to decide with our own free will, without pressure and blackmails.

Cyprus doesn't need to be part of the modern Greek state to be Greek. Unless you will claim that there was nothing Greek until less than 2 centuries ago when the first Greek state was formed. The only reason that Cyprus is not part of the modern Greek state is that this right was refused to us by foreign imperialists.

I sense resentment here... did you want Enosis?