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[Viewpoint]

Get me all the figures. This one too, if it's available.

Who are you to order anyone around

Oh. There was me thinking you were being helpful by offering a faster approach.

do your own research you lazy sod.

My guess is more than half of all TCs live in a proper democracy somewhere away from Turkey's gangsta regime.

Here are some (admittedly dubious) numbers from wiki that put the number of TCs outside of 'TRNC' at nearly three times those inside:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkish_Cypriots

Turkey's regime in Cyprus, 179,000 (but how many of these are settlers?)
United Kingdom, 430,000 (but how many of these are Turks/Kurds?)
Turkey, 30,000
Australia, 25,000
Germany, 10,000
Canada, 5,000
United States, 5,000
Cyprus, 2,500

Not a vast amount in south Cyprus then, this goes to show that TCs would rather live anywhere else than as a minority in a GC state.

Two thousand five hundred people; including women, children and even babies. That's an awful lot of exceptions to the rule, not being chopped up and barbecued by their worst enemies, like your propaganda would have us believe.

Oh yes, and how come nearly THREE times as many TCs live in western democracies rather than in the "only alternative to GC despot mindset".

The real issue is there are around 180.000 TCs living in the TRNC who could move to the so called promised land south Cyprus, if it so great in the south then why arent they moving accross in droves they have every right to do so, some even own property worth great sums of money. Youll probably try and give me some smart alec response its because they do not trust GCs with their future and will never place it in their hands, they do not wish to live in a GC state where they are treated by the GCs second class citizens...they would rather become part of Turkey then capitulate to GC demands thats how strongly the majority of TCs feel.

[Malapapa]

The real issue is there are around 180.000 TCs living in the TRNC who could move to the so called promised land south Cyprus, if it so great in the south then why arent they moving accross in droves they have every right to do so, some even own property worth great sums of money. Youll probably try and give me some smart alec response its because they do not trust GCs with their future and will never place it in their hands, they do not wish to live in a GC state where they are treated by the GCs second class citizens...they would rather become part of Turkey then capitulate to GC demands thats how strongly the majority of TCs feel.

No one is stopping you becoming part of Turkey, if that's your preference. The real issue is your attempt to take land that doesn't belong to Turkey with you.

[Kikapu]

The real issue is there are around 180.000 TCs living in the TRNC who could move to the so called promised land south Cyprus, if it so great in the south then why arent they moving accross in droves they have every right to do so, some even own property worth great sums of money. Youll probably try and give me some smart alec response its because they do not trust GCs with their future and will never place it in their hands, they do not wish to live in a GC state where they are treated by the GCs second class citizens...they would rather become part of Turkey then capitulate to GC demands thats how strongly the majority of TCs feel.

The reality is of course, that there isn't 180,000 TCs living in the "trnc". There maybe 180,000 so called "trnc citizens", but they are not all TCs. At best, there are only 70,000 TCs in the north and getting less by each passing year. That figure may even be as low as 50,000 TCs. By allowing Illegal Aliens from Turkey to obtain "trnc citizenship" does not make them Turkish Cypriots. It only makes them "trnc citizens" for what it's worth, which has far less value than being citizens of Turkey. The only Cypriots who can claim to be Turkish or Greek Cypriots are the once who are eligible to obtain Cypriot (EU) passports from the RoC. If they cannot, then they are by no means Cypriots. You just have a lot of fake TCs in the north masquerading as true TCs. Then again, you have a lot of fake things in the north. That's the reality which you cannot stomach to face, but rest assure, I'll remind you when ever needed.!

[Nikitas]

"Them being your major trading partner and supplier?"' Murataga said in reference to Greece.

PROVE it or shut your mouth. Reading the shipping schedules from Limasso and Larnaca is a good starting point. Ships to and from EU ports outnumber ships to and from Greek ports about 20 to 1.

So PROVE it.

Your inner problem is that you cannot stomach ENOSIS the way Turkey has shoved it to you, while Greece cannot own the GCs. You resent this, I understand it, but no amount of spiteful name calling is going to change it.

[Malapapa]

The reality is of course, that there isn't 180,000 TCs living in the "trnc". There maybe 180,000 so called "trnc citizens", but they are not all TCs. At best, there are only 70,000 TCs in the north and getting less by each passing year. That figure may even be as low as 50,000 TCs. By allowing Illegal Aliens from Turkey to obtain "trnc citizenship" does not make them Turkish Cypriots. It only makes them "trnc citizens" for what it's worth, which has far less value than being citizens of Turkey. The only Cypriots who can claim to be Turkish or Greek Cypriots are the once who are eligible to obtain Cypriot (EU) passports from the RoC. If they cannot, then they are by no means Cypriots. You just have a lot of fake TCs in the north masquerading as true TCs. Then again, you have a lot of fake things in the north. That's the reality which you cannot stomach to face, but rest assure, I'll remind you when ever needed.!

Thanks Kiks. So let's revise the figures of TCs around the world:

Turkey's regime in Cyprus, 70,000
United Kingdom, 130,000
http://www.bbc.co.uk/voices/multilingual/turkish.shtml
(I still believe this figure is too high)
Turkey, 30,000
Australia, 25,000
Germany, 10,000
Canada, 5,000
United States, 5,000
Cyprus, 2,500

So, this still means nearly three times as many TCs choose to live in western democracies as choose to live in Turkey's outlaw regime in the north.

Despite all that's happened, all the bad blood and incessant fear-mongering being spouted by the likes of VP, some 3.5% of TCs on Cyprus choose to live in the free areas.

And, if we take the lower figure of 50,000 TCs living in the outlaw regime, some 5% of TCs on Cyprus choose to live with the "despots" in the free areas. That's one in every 20 TCs on the island.

[EPSILON]

we are not talking "go against". We are talking about preserving its independence and institutions, and the RoC has obviously done this. The RoC is a state as different from Greece as Greece is from the UK. This is the point that you do not want to see.

Pointing to cooperation between the two, which takes place for obvious reasons, is not evidence that Greece and Greek culture has swallowed up Cyprus.

What kind of a cooperation is that? You waving their flag and singing their national anthem but not the other way around? You teaching at your schools what they teach at their`s? They commanding your troops? You watching their TV channels while most of them don`t even know the names of yours`? GCs listening and singing to artists of Greece everywhere? Them being your major trading partner and supplier?

And you have the face to come here and talk about "healthy divergence" and not being "swallowed up" because some construction company got a job in Greece. Go sell your propaganda elsewhere.

ok if you have a problem on this we must change language / anthem and culture

not problem at all - we can do everything just to satisfy the "great power of the regio-Turkey" But do you know the reason we have not yet fulifil above changes? We have serious surces suggesting that Turkey became a chikken when some other country became really angry with them. (Israel lets say)

[Kikapu]

The reality is of course, that there isn't 180,000 TCs living in the "trnc". There maybe 180,000 so called "trnc citizens", but they are not all TCs. At best, there are only 70,000 TCs in the north and getting less by each passing year. That figure may even be as low as 50,000 TCs. By allowing Illegal Aliens from Turkey to obtain "trnc citizenship" does not make them Turkish Cypriots. It only makes them "trnc citizens" for what it's worth, which has far less value than being citizens of Turkey. The only Cypriots who can claim to be Turkish or Greek Cypriots are the once who are eligible to obtain Cypriot (EU) passports from the RoC. If they cannot, then they are by no means Cypriots. You just have a lot of fake TCs in the north masquerading as true TCs. Then again, you have a lot of fake things in the north. That's the reality which you cannot stomach to face, but rest assure, I'll remind you when ever needed.!

Thanks Kiks. So let's revise the figures of TCs around the world:

Turkey's regime in Cyprus, 70,000
United Kingdom, 130,000
http://www.bbc.co.uk/voices/multilingual/turkish.shtml
(I still believe this figure is too high)
Turkey, 30,000
Australia, 25,000
Germany, 10,000
Canada, 5,000
United States, 5,000
Cyprus, 2,500

So, this still means nearly three times as many TCs choose to live in western democracies as choose to live in Turkey's outlaw regime in the north.

Despite all that's happened, all the bad blood and incessant fear-mongering being spouted by the likes of VP, some 3.5% of TCs on Cyprus choose to live in the free areas.

And, if we take the lower figure of 50,000 TCs living in the outlaw regime, some 5% of TCs on Cyprus choose to live with the "despots" in the free areas. That's one in every 20 TCs on the island.

I recent the fact that you did not include Switzerland = 1 TC.!

[Get Real!]

I recent the fact that you did not include Switzerland = 1 TC.!

I object your honor! According to VP’s in-credible sources you’re a Hellene so you don't count!

[Malapapa]

The reality is of course, that there isn't 180,000 TCs living in the "trnc". There maybe 180,000 so called "trnc citizens", but they are not all TCs. At best, there are only 70,000 TCs in the north and getting less by each passing year. That figure may even be as low as 50,000 TCs. By allowing Illegal Aliens from Turkey to obtain "trnc citizenship" does not make them Turkish Cypriots. It only makes them "trnc citizens" for what it's worth, which has far less value than being citizens of Turkey. The only Cypriots who can claim to be Turkish or Greek Cypriots are the once who are eligible to obtain Cypriot (EU) passports from the RoC. If they cannot, then they are by no means Cypriots. You just have a lot of fake TCs in the north masquerading as true TCs. Then again, you have a lot of fake things in the north. That's the reality which you cannot stomach to face, but rest assure, I'll remind you when ever needed.!

Thanks Kiks. So let's revise the figures of TCs around the world:

Turkey's regime in Cyprus, 70,000
United Kingdom, 130,000
http://www.bbc.co.uk/voices/multilingual/turkish.shtml
(I still believe this figure is too high)
Turkey, 30,000
Australia, 25,000
Germany, 10,000
Canada, 5,000
United States, 5,000
Cyprus, 2,500

So, this still means nearly three times as many TCs choose to live in western democracies as choose to live in Turkey's outlaw regime in the north.

Despite all that's happened, all the bad blood and incessant fear-mongering being spouted by the likes of VP, some 3.5% of TCs on Cyprus choose to live in the free areas.

And, if we take the lower figure of 50,000 TCs living in the outlaw regime, some 5% of TCs on Cyprus choose to live with the "despots" in the free areas. That's one in every 20 TCs on the island.

I recent the fact that you did not include Switzerland = 1 TC.!

Of course, as a TC, that doesn't necessarily make you a minority.

And, what with Switzeland's long history of neutrality, I was trying to keeping it quiet, lest Turkey use it as an excuse to declare war and invade to safeguard your rights.

[zan]

I recent the fact that you did not include Switzerland = 1 TC.!

I object your honor! According to VP’s in-credible sources you’re a Hellene so you don't count!

OK Kiks......You can drop the T because miltiades has already included you in the C.......................And so have most of the rest of us for that matter, but I think Miltiades and our spelling might differ