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[Murataga]

we are not talking "go against". We are talking about preserving its independence and institutions, and the RoC has obviously done this. The RoC is a state as different from Greece as Greece is from the UK. This is the point that you do not want to see.

Pointing to cooperation between the two, which takes place for obvious reasons, is not evidence that Greece and Greek culture has swallowed up Cyprus.

What kind of a cooperation is that? You waving their flag and singing their national anthem but not the other way around? You teaching at your schools what they teach at their`s? They commanding your troops? You watching their TV channels while most of them don`t even know the names of yours`? GCs listening and singing to artists of Greece everywhere? Them being your major trading partner and supplier?

And you have the face to come here and talk about "healthy divergence" and not being "swallowed up" because some construction company got a job in Greece. Go sell your propaganda elsewhere.

[Kikapu]

The choice we all have to make but this way we are at least allowed the choice and not forced to live under one which we do not want.

The only choice you will have, is to whether to be a Cypriot with western values and Democracy, or be forced to become Turkish with Eastern and non democratic values. You only get to have one choice, since the other "choice" will be made for you whether you like it or not.!

In any case, this is all academic and hardly worth talking about it. Lets talk about it if and when there is a 2-state agreement outside a BBF deal.!

[Viewpoint]

The choice we all have to make but this way we are at least allowed the choice and not forced to live under one which we do not want.

The only choice you will have, is to whether to be a Cypriot with western values and Democracy, or be forced to become Turkish with Eastern and non democratic values. You only get to have one choice, since the other "choice" will be made for you whether you like it or not.!

In any case, this is all academic and hardly worth talking about it. Lets talk about it if and when there is a 2-state agreement outside a BBF deal.!

You are contradicting yourself once again, there are to choices here one to go south where you feel being just a Cypriot with western values and Democracy or stay put where we will be Turkish with "Eastern and non democratic values", in anyones book these are 2 choices. Well let me tell you however much you want to avoid reality the choice has already been made and the majority of TCs have chosen the latter becuase even today they have the opportunity to go live in the south under GC rule.

[Malapapa]

The choice we all have to make but this way we are at least allowed the choice and not forced to live under one which we do not want.

The only choice you will have, is to whether to be a Cypriot with western values and Democracy, or be forced to become Turkish with Eastern and non democratic values. You only get to have one choice, since the other "choice" will be made for you whether you like it or not.!

In any case, this is all academic and hardly worth talking about it. Lets talk about it if and when there is a 2-state agreement outside a BBF deal.!

You are contradicting yourself once again, there are to choices here one to go south where you feel being just a Cypriot with western values and Democracy or stay put where we will be Turkish with "Eastern and non democratic values", in anyones book these are 2 choices. Well let me tell you however much you want to avoid reality the choice has already been made and the majority of TCs have chosen the latter becuase even today they have the opportunity to go live in the south under GC rule.

Can we have some stats please to verify where the majority of TCs have chosen to live:

• Number of TCs (entitled to EU citizenship) living as gangster Turks in Turkey's gangster regime in the north;

• Number of TCs who have taken advantage of EU citizenship and are now living as law abiding Cypriots in the free areas of Cyprus, other EU states or western democracies.

Thanks.

I always suspected that when VP put himself forward as an "average TC", he meant amongst the criminal apologists in the north, and not universally.

[Viewpoint]

The choice we all have to make but this way we are at least allowed the choice and not forced to live under one which we do not want.

The only choice you will have, is to whether to be a Cypriot with western values and Democracy, or be forced to become Turkish with Eastern and non democratic values. You only get to have one choice, since the other "choice" will be made for you whether you like it or not.!

In any case, this is all academic and hardly worth talking about it. Lets talk about it if and when there is a 2-state agreement outside a BBF deal.!

You are contradicting yourself once again, there are to choices here one to go south where you feel being just a Cypriot with western values and Democracy or stay put where we will be Turkish with "Eastern and non democratic values", in anyones book these are 2 choices. Well let me tell you however much you want to avoid reality the choice has already been made and the majority of TCs have chosen the latter becuase even today they have the opportunity to go live in the south under GC rule.

Can we have some stats please to verify where the majority of TCs have chosen to live:

• Number of TCs (entitled to EU citizenship) living as gangster Turks in Turkey's gangster regime in the north;

• Number of TCs who have taken advantage of EU citizenship and are now living as law abiding Cypriots in the free areas of Cyprus, other EU states or western democracies.

Thanks.

I always suspected that when VP put himself forward as an "average TC", he meant amongst the criminal apologists in the north, and not universally.

The faster apporach would be to ask how many TCs from all over the world have actually move to reside in the GC ruled south Cyprus? do you know this figure?

[Kikapu]

The choice we all have to make but this way we are at least allowed the choice and not forced to live under one which we do not want.

The only choice you will have, is to whether to be a Cypriot with western values and Democracy, or be forced to become Turkish with Eastern and non democratic values. You only get to have one choice, since the other "choice" will be made for you whether you like it or not.!

In any case, this is all academic and hardly worth talking about it. Lets talk about it if and when there is a 2-state agreement outside a BBF deal.!

You are contradicting yourself once again, there are to choices here one to go south where you feel being just a Cypriot with western values and Democracy or stay put where we will be Turkish with "Eastern and non democratic values", in anyones book these are 2 choices. Well let me tell you however much you want to avoid reality the choice has already been made and the majority of TCs have chosen the latter becuase even today they have the opportunity to go live in the south under GC rule.

Can we have some stats please to verify where the majority of TCs have chosen to live:

• Number of TCs (entitled to EU citizenship) living as gangster Turks in Turkey's gangster regime in the north;

• Number of TCs who have taken advantage of EU citizenship and are now living as law abiding Cypriots in the free areas of Cyprus, other EU states or western democracies.

Thanks.

I always suspected that when VP put himself forward as an "average TC", he meant amongst the criminal apologists in the north, and not universally.

The faster apporach would be to ask how many TCs from all over the world have actually move to reside in the GC ruled south Cyprus? do you know this figure?

How can the TCs move to the south without first having a settlement.?? Same goes for the GCs moving north. Even Bananiot hasn't moved to the north despite all your praises of him. Your argument is flawed as to why the TCs have not moved to the south. At the moment they would rather get their EU passports from the RoC and get the hell out of the north, as many thousands have already done so.!

[Viewpoint]

Ah Kikapu changing with the wind yet again I thought you were preaching that the south is heaven on earth with all its democracy and human rights and the north is hell and still people prefer the north I being the best example, you really have to try and come to turns with reality and not what you get out of a text book.

[Malapapa]

The choice we all have to make but this way we are at least allowed the choice and not forced to live under one which we do not want.

The only choice you will have, is to whether to be a Cypriot with western values and Democracy, or be forced to become Turkish with Eastern and non democratic values. You only get to have one choice, since the other "choice" will be made for you whether you like it or not.!

In any case, this is all academic and hardly worth talking about it. Lets talk about it if and when there is a 2-state agreement outside a BBF deal.!

You are contradicting yourself once again, there are to choices here one to go south where you feel being just a Cypriot with western values and Democracy or stay put where we will be Turkish with "Eastern and non democratic values", in anyones book these are 2 choices. Well let me tell you however much you want to avoid reality the choice has already been made and the majority of TCs have chosen the latter becuase even today they have the opportunity to go live in the south under GC rule.

Can we have some stats please to verify where the majority of TCs have chosen to live:

• Number of TCs (entitled to EU citizenship) living as gangster Turks in Turkey's gangster regime in the north;

• Number of TCs who have taken advantage of EU citizenship and are now living as law abiding Cypriots in the free areas of Cyprus, other EU states or western democracies.

Thanks.

I always suspected that when VP put himself forward as an "average TC", he meant amongst the criminal apologists in the north, and not universally.

The faster apporach would be to ask how many TCs from all over the world have actually move to reside in the GC ruled south Cyprus? do you know this figure?

Get me all the figures. This one too, if it's available.

[Viewpoint]

The choice we all have to make but this way we are at least allowed the choice and not forced to live under one which we do not want.

The only choice you will have, is to whether to be a Cypriot with western values and Democracy, or be forced to become Turkish with Eastern and non democratic values. You only get to have one choice, since the other "choice" will be made for you whether you like it or not.!

In any case, this is all academic and hardly worth talking about it. Lets talk about it if and when there is a 2-state agreement outside a BBF deal.!

You are contradicting yourself once again, there are to choices here one to go south where you feel being just a Cypriot with western values and Democracy or stay put where we will be Turkish with "Eastern and non democratic values", in anyones book these are 2 choices. Well let me tell you however much you want to avoid reality the choice has already been made and the majority of TCs have chosen the latter becuase even today they have the opportunity to go live in the south under GC rule.

Can we have some stats please to verify where the majority of TCs have chosen to live:

• Number of TCs (entitled to EU citizenship) living as gangster Turks in Turkey's gangster regime in the north;

• Number of TCs who have taken advantage of EU citizenship and are now living as law abiding Cypriots in the free areas of Cyprus, other EU states or western democracies.

Thanks.

I always suspected that when VP put himself forward as an "average TC", he meant amongst the criminal apologists in the north, and not universally.

The faster apporach would be to ask how many TCs from all over the world have actually move to reside in the GC ruled south Cyprus? do you know this figure?

Get me all the figures. This one too, if it's available.

Who are you to order anyone around do your own research you lazy sod.

[EPSILON]

The choice we all have to make but this way we are at least allowed the choice and not forced to live under one which we do not want.

The only choice you will have, is to whether to be a Cypriot with western values and Democracy, or be forced to become Turkish with Eastern and non democratic values. You only get to have one choice, since the other "choice" will be made for you whether you like it or not.!

In any case, this is all academic and hardly worth talking about it. Lets talk about it if and when there is a 2-state agreement outside a BBF deal.!

You are contradicting yourself once again, there are to choices here one to go south where you feel being just a Cypriot with western values and Democracy or stay put where we will be Turkish with "Eastern and non democratic values", in anyones book these are 2 choices. Well let me tell you however much you want to avoid reality the choice has already been made and the majority of TCs have chosen the latter becuase even today they have the opportunity to go live in the south under GC rule.

Can we have some stats please to verify where the majority of TCs have chosen to live:

• Number of TCs (entitled to EU citizenship) living as gangster Turks in Turkey's gangster regime in the north;

• Number of TCs who have taken advantage of EU citizenship and are now living as law abiding Cypriots in the free areas of Cyprus, other EU states or western democracies.

Thanks.

I always suspected that when VP put himself forward as an "average TC", he meant amongst the criminal apologists in the north, and not universally.

The faster apporach would be to ask how many TCs from all over the world have actually move to reside in the GC ruled south Cyprus? do you know this figure?

Ask your secret inteligence service -they have a full list-including these they have sent to South and these move by themselves.
Small reminder -80 per cent of TCs who moved from South to North did so because Denkdash threaten their lifes than forced by G/cs to move.

Is an endless discussion here- Your side is an inlegal entity and its citizens should not be entitled to any international trade or activity or recognision until they decide to stay in a legal state.The problem start and finish in these words. no more no less -these of G/cs discussing with your leaders are just doing so by cooperation with criminals.

Your solution to avoid the final justice is only one- Ask Turkey to kill all G/cs in the island since otherwise your future is just the darkness of the deap waters where your motherland is slowly but directly going under the new Otoman leadership

good luck