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[Kikapu]

"How is the "RoC" economy going with their links to Greece????"

And which links are these? You mean like J&P taking on public works in Greece? Or Bank of Cyprus expanding its branches? Or one of the biggest shipowning companies being Cypriot owned? You know which one it is, it belongs to Sir Stelios' dad. Cprus owns more in Greece than Greece owns in Cyprus. Turkey owns the whole of the TRNC it seems.

What a broken argument. Unlike us you have all the access to free trade and transportation with the rest of the world.

Nevertheless:

You wave Greek flags whenever possible when no Cypriot flags waves in Greece. Your army is lead by their generals and officers when you send them none. You watch their TV channels when no one watches yours` in Greece. You listen to their artists when no one listens to yours` in Greece. Your students learn their curriculum. Your stores are full of goods produced in Greece and they are your major supplier. And you know dam well they own a shit load in Cyprus not to mention the millions and millions of $s you have received in aid from them over the decades.

So save us the "Cyprus owns more in Greece than Greece owns in Cyprus?" bs... Especially given all the options you have and and how you ultimately choose to utilize them.

Five centuries of trying to Turkify us and Cyprus still remains Greek, huh!

correction: 64% of Cyprus remains Greek,36 % Turkish...Thanks to people like you all Cypriots lost out big time...Enjoy what is left,for however long you might have it...It won't last forever...

correction: The invasion ended enosis with Greece, so 64% is now Cypriot with 36% under Turkish occupation.

I do agree with you that it's the Cypriots that have lost out big time.

If you want to look at it that way,Turkey has stopped the Enosis and saved Greek Cypriots from Greek domination...For her troubles she claimed 36 % of the island...Hence,thanks to your Enosis dream Turkish Cypriots lost 100% of Cyprus...I am sure you will agree...Thanks for everything...

We are still alive and kicking Bir!

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=60314

You are joking, Zan, right.??

Sounds like just one more pipe dream of the north's self declared importance in the world market place to be a economic player.!

I guess one needs to create groups and titles in the north to justify their salaries by being just pencil pushers.! This one took two years to establish.!:wink:

The north can't even sell very much to Turkey, let alone to anyone else, and there are not even any trade barriers or embargoes to the 70+ million Turkish market. Exports to Turkey from the north was about $36 million US Dollars last year. That's about 50 cents per Turk, despite Turkey exporting goods over $1 Billion USD to the north. The north should forget Russia and concentrate on Turkey, their "motherland" after all, to try and sell more to them. The question is of course, what does the north have that The Turks need or want that they can't get it from their own country. Well, I can think of Molohiya as one item, but the only problem is, Turks in general have no idea how to cook it. If mama Turkey is not interested in supporting the economy of the north by buying everything they produce, then I don't know how any other country would, other than perhaps the Russians selling lots of Caviar and Vodka to the north, which would be just an another trade imbalance the north does not need, but is use to, starting with mama Turkey.!

Perhaps the north should accept the fact, that Turkey is not interested for the north to become economically independent. Turkey's demand for the north's direct trade is nothing but a lot of "hot air". This is nothing but an excuse to keep her ports close to the RoC and at the same time blame others as to why her EU path is blocked. This is why I believe the EU will call Turkey's bluff and create some sort of direct trade with the north under EU supervision to force Turkey to open her ports to the RoC. Turkey will have no more excuses left then as to why she cannot continue with her EU path, which also requires that she help solve the Cyprus problem by removing her occupying force from the island. Interesting times ahead.!

what are you going on about the past for...Look to the future

I suppose every second gone by can be seen as "The Past" and every new coming second is seen as "The Future", Zan.!

Oops, my last comment was in "The Past" already.!:lol:

That's the spirit, Zan. Keep a positive attitude and all will be fine in the north.!

INSALLAH.!

Doin all I can partner!!!!

A sucker is born every minute, Zan.!

Must be very traumatic for the poor chap.......

Indeed.!

[zan]

"How is the "RoC" economy going with their links to Greece????"

And which links are these? You mean like J&P taking on public works in Greece? Or Bank of Cyprus expanding its branches? Or one of the biggest shipowning companies being Cypriot owned? You know which one it is, it belongs to Sir Stelios' dad. Cprus owns more in Greece than Greece owns in Cyprus. Turkey owns the whole of the TRNC it seems.

What a broken argument. Unlike us you have all the access to free trade and transportation with the rest of the world.

Nevertheless:

You wave Greek flags whenever possible when no Cypriot flags waves in Greece. Your army is lead by their generals and officers when you send them none. You watch their TV channels when no one watches yours` in Greece. You listen to their artists when no one listens to yours` in Greece. Your students learn their curriculum. Your stores are full of goods produced in Greece and they are your major supplier. And you know dam well they own a shit load in Cyprus not to mention the millions and millions of $s you have received in aid from them over the decades.

So save us the "Cyprus owns more in Greece than Greece owns in Cyprus?" bs... Especially given all the options you have and and how you ultimately choose to utilize them.

Five centuries of trying to Turkify us and Cyprus still remains Greek, huh!

correction: 64% of Cyprus remains Greek,36 % Turkish...Thanks to people like you all Cypriots lost out big time...Enjoy what is left,for however long you might have it...It won't last forever...

correction: The invasion ended enosis with Greece, so 64% is now Cypriot with 36% under Turkish occupation.

I do agree with you that it's the Cypriots that have lost out big time.

If you want to look at it that way,Turkey has stopped the Enosis and saved Greek Cypriots from Greek domination...For her troubles she claimed 36 % of the island...Hence,thanks to your Enosis dream Turkish Cypriots lost 100% of Cyprus...I am sure you will agree...Thanks for everything...

We are still alive and kicking Bir!

http://www.worldbulletin.net/news_detail.php?id=60314

You are joking, Zan, right.??

Sounds like just one more pipe dream of the north's self declared importance in the world market place to be a economic player.!

I guess one needs to create groups and titles in the north to justify their salaries by being just pencil pushers.! This one took two years to establish.!:wink:

The north can't even sell very much to Turkey, let alone to anyone else, and there are not even any trade barriers or embargoes to the 70+ million Turkish market. Exports to Turkey from the north was about $36 million US Dollars last year. That's about 50 cents per Turk, despite Turkey exporting goods over $1 Billion USD to the north. The north should forget Russia and concentrate on Turkey, their "motherland" after all, to try and sell more to them. The question is of course, what does the north have that The Turks need or want that they can't get it from their own country. Well, I can think of Molohiya as one item, but the only problem is, Turks in general have no idea how to cook it. If mama Turkey is not interested in supporting the economy of the north by buying everything they produce, then I don't know how any other country would, other than perhaps the Russians selling lots of Caviar and Vodka to the north, which would be just an another trade imbalance the north does not need, but is use to, starting with mama Turkey.!

Perhaps the north should accept the fact, that Turkey is not interested for the north to become economically independent. Turkey's demand for the north's direct trade is nothing but a lot of "hot air". This is nothing but an excuse to keep her ports close to the RoC and at the same time blame others as to why her EU path is blocked. This is why I believe the EU will call Turkey's bluff and create some sort of direct trade with the north under EU supervision to force Turkey to open her ports to the RoC. Turkey will have no more excuses left then as to why she cannot continue with her EU path, which also requires that she help solve the Cyprus problem by removing her occupying force from the island. Interesting times ahead.!

what are you going on about the past for...Look to the future

I suppose every second gone by can be seen as "The Past" and every new coming second is seen as "The Future", Zan.!

Oops, my last comment was in "The Past" already.!:lol:

That's the spirit, Zan. Keep a positive attitude and all will be fine in the north.!

INSALLAH.!

Doin all I can partner!!!!

A sucker is born every minute, Zan.!

Must be very traumatic for the poor chap.......

Indeed.!

What are you going to do when a two state deal is reached Kiks. Will you pick the Greek State and stick with what you know or will you become a bornagain TC and try to integrate with your people....(Don't give me any crap about there being none left...My greater family alone will fill a wedding hall and take you under their wing. They like a challenge????

[Get Real!]

What are you going to do when a two state deal is reached....

Will that be under a UN resolution?

[Kikapu]

What are you going to do when a two state deal is reached Kiks. Will you pick the Greek State and stick with what you know or will you become a bornagain TC and try to integrate with your people....(Don't give me any crap about there being none left...My greater family alone will fill a wedding hall and take you under their wing. They like a challenge????

You will have to define in what you mean by "two state deal". If it's anything like what I proposed in a BBF based on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles under one country of Cyprus, I could live under either one of the states. If on the other hand you mean two separate independent states, one being a True Cypriot state run by Cypriots with western values, Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles and the other state being a puppet of Turkey with Turkish culture, Turkish identity and Turkish citizens under the disguised TC brand name with corrupted society that exists in the north today without western values and no true TC culture and identity , then I will choose to remain a Cypriot with other Cypriots in the Cypriot state, as the case is with me today already.!

The RoC will never call itself a "Greek Cypriot State" as a independent separate state. It will always remain the Republic of Cyprus and a EU member state, whereas the north will be just an extension of Turkey and not of Cypriot culture and a non EU member along with Turkey, where the north will become the offshore playground for the Turks from mainland to run the casinos, whorehouses, Human Trafficking and the mafia under the watchful eyes of the Turkish Military where rule of law will not apply evenly, but it will be based on who you are and who you know.! If it's the later case, then you can keep it, Zan, and good luck to you and your whole family.!

[Viewpoint]

The choice we all have to make but this way we are at least allowed the choice and not forced to live under one which we do not want.

[zan]

What are you going to do when a two state deal is reached....

Will that be under a UN resolution?

Who knows but it is coming!!!

[zan]

What are you going to do when a two state deal is reached Kiks. Will you pick the Greek State and stick with what you know or will you become a bornagain TC and try to integrate with your people....(Don't give me any crap about there being none left...My greater family alone will fill a wedding hall and take you under their wing. They like a challenge????

You will have to define in what you mean by "two state deal". If it's anything like what I proposed in a BBF based on True Federation, True Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles under one country of Cyprus, I could live under either one of the states. If on the other hand you mean two separate independent states, one being a True Cypriot state run by Cypriots with western values, Democracy, Human Rights, International Laws and EU Principles and the other state being a puppet of Turkey with Turkish culture, Turkish identity and Turkish citizens under the disguised TC brand name with corrupted society that exists in the north today without western values and no true TC culture and identity , then I will choose to remain a Cypriot with other Cypriots in the Cypriot state, as the case is with me today already.!

The RoC will never call itself a "Greek Cypriot State" as a independent separate state. It will always remain the Republic of Cyprus and a EU member state, whereas the north will be just an extension of Turkey and not of Cypriot culture and a non EU member along with Turkey, where the north will become the offshore playground for the Turks from mainland to run the casinos, whorehouses, Human Trafficking and the mafia under the watchful eyes of the Turkish Military where rule of law will not apply evenly, but it will be based on who you are and who you know.! If it's the later case, then you can keep it, Zan, and good luck to you and your whole family.!

Thank god for that....We can take a challenge but not a hopeless case

[Nikitas]

Murataga ranted:

"Your army is lead by their generals and officers when you send them none. You watch their TV channels when no one watches yours` in Greece. You listen to their artists when no one listens to yours` in Greece. Your students learn their curriculum. Your stores are full of goods produced in Greece and they are your major supplier. And you know dam well they own a shit load in Cyprus not to mention the millions and millions of $s you have received in aid from them over the decades."

Name one major Greek company in Cyprus and the size of its investment.

The National Guard has 300 Greek officers and that constitutes proof of something, by analogy 40 000 Turkish troops are proof of what, other than colonisation?

We listen to their artists- you mean like Violaris, Vissi, Hatziyannis, Evridiki, and composers like Tokas and Theofanous, and many others, all Cypriots and all doing very well in the Greek music industry.

RIK is channel 16 on my Greek TV. I watch it regularly.

In tourism Greece with 150 000 visitors is one of the smaller contingents of tourists to Cyprus. More Greeks visit Istanbul than Cyprus, does that make Istanbul a colony of Greece?

We buy their goods- which ones? BMW, MErcedes, Rover, Toyota? In stores with names like Woolworths and Marks and Spencer? Greece is not the major trading partner of Cyprus. Look it up.

Aid was received after 1974 and it stopped when Vassiliou was elected president when the Cyprus budget moved into surplus. That was back in the late 1980s.

Fact is that you spout what you want to believe as fact, but it is a fantasy you need to maintain your siege mentality. You cannot face the failure of this thing they call the TRNC on all levels. It was a colony since day one, In July 1974. It took a century of "struggle" to return the northern part of the island to 1878 and you are still pretending it is something other than a colony. If you think it is not then tell us who is the real chief of the army, the police, the fire brigade, and who is the overall security commander.

[shahmaran]

A Turkish colony, as opposed to a Greek island.

[Murataga]

Murataga ranted:
"Your army is lead by their generals and officers when you send them none. You watch their TV channels when no one watches yours` in Greece. You listen to their artists when no one listens to yours` in Greece. Your students learn their curriculum. Your stores are full of goods produced in Greece and they are your major supplier. And you know dam well they own a shit load in Cyprus not to mention the millions and millions of $s you have received in aid from them over the decades."

Name one major Greek company in Cyprus and the size of its investment.

Gladly. Company: Hellenic Republic. Investment size: your entire educational curriculum, cultural identity, habits and expenditures, military training and leadership, a national anthem to sing and a flag to salute. How does that compare with J&P`s construction jobs in Greece?

The National Guard has 300 Greek officers and that constitutes proof of something, by analogy 40 000 Turkish troops are proof of what, other than colonisation?

All of your officers are trained in Greece, they salute the Greek flag, they sing the Greek national anthem, and their generals including the Supreme commanders are Greek.

The Turkish troops came here to crush any hopes you may ever have for ENOSIS and keep you at bay from attacking the TCs. They are doing a fantastic job at it.

We listen to their artists- you mean like Violaris, Vissi, Hatziyannis, Evridiki, and composers like Tokas and Theofanous, and many others, all Cypriots and all doing very well in the Greek music industry.

What percent of Greeks listen to GC artists and what percent of GCs listen to Greek artists?

RIK is channel 16 on my Greek TV. I watch it regularly.

Of course you do. You are a GC who moved to Greece and a one who has 5700+ posts on a Cyprus forum. You are hardly representative of Greece: What percent of Greeks watch GC channels and what percent of GCs watch Greek channels?

In tourism Greece with 150 000 visitors is one of the smaller contingents of tourists to Cyprus. More Greeks visit Istanbul than Cyprus, does that make Istanbul a colony of Greece?

Why would it?

We buy their goods- which ones? BMW, MErcedes, Rover, Toyota? In stores with names like Woolworths and Marks and Spencer? Greece is not the major trading partner of Cyprus. Look it up.

No, you look it up:

http://nicosia.usembassy.gov/Commercial ... rtners.pdf

Aid was received after 1974 and it stopped when Vassiliou was elected president when the Cyprus budget moved into surplus. That was back in the late 1980s.

Aid was received before and after 1974, stop lying. The surplus is an inevitable outcome of what you stole from the TCs - politically and economically.

Fact is that you spout what you want to believe as fact, but it is a fantasy you need to maintain your siege mentality.

The only fantasy here is you trying to appear any different from Greece. It is a joke and everyone knows it.

As for the "siege mentality", I really do not know what you are talking about. Maybe this?

U.N. Secretary General`s report no. S/6426 of June 10 1965:

104. The Turkish Cypriot population has continued to be subject to hardships of various kinds, some of them onerous. These include restrictions on the freedom of movement of civilians, economic restrictions, the unavailability of some essential public services and the suffering of refugees.

or this?

U.N. Secretary General`s report S/8286 of December 1967

"126. When disturbances broke out in December 1963 and continued in the first part of 1964, thousands of Turkish Cypriots fled from their homes, taking with them only what they could drive or carry, and sought refuge in what they considered to be safer Turkish Cypriot villages and areas.

The refusal of the Greek Cypriot authorities to allow the Turkish Cypriot refugees to return to their homes in conditions of safety effectively frustrated persistent Turkish efforts to rehabilitate them. They also obstructed attempts to improve their living conditions"

You cannot face the failure of this thing they call the TRNC on all levels.

It depends how you define failure… Shoving ENOSIS down your throat, eliminating your attacks and threats, keeping you at bay, allowing us to walk on the island without having to submit to a GC military/police control, getting the U.N. to acknowledge that GCs are a community of this island and a solution to be a bi-zonal and bi-communal one, completely destroying the notion that your government represents the TCs who live on this island, a 11K GDP per capita despite a criminal embargo and much more… Sure, there is always room for improvement.

It was a colony since day one, In July 1974. It took a century of "struggle" to return the northern part of the island to 1878 and you are still pretending it is something other than a colony.

No not really. In 1878 more TCs lived in the south than in the North and believe me we loved our homes (I am from Baf). The struggle was to make a peaceful living with you. We made an agreement on that in 1960. You signed the agreement yet you broke it in 3 years so that you could hand the island to Greece with us in it. We resisted and you murdered and imprisoned us on our own island for resisting. And now you are angry because we managed break the siege in 1974 and have made sure that you will never ever be in a position to threaten us again.

If you think it is not then tell us who is the real chief of the army, the police, the fire brigade, and who is the overall security commander.

Lieutenant General Petros Tsalikidis, your current supreme commander is a Greek military commander, as have been all of his predecessors. Where does that leave you in this conversation?

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/c ... hyprus.pdf