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[shalay]

Shalay,
I've always said There are two sides of the coin. We all suffer.
on one side Greek Cypriots and on another side Turkish Cypriots.

142000 Greek Cypriots lost their homes out of their 450000 population and on the other hand 70000 Turkish Cypriots lost their homes out of their 120000 population.We can see clearly as a percentage, according populations.
others must be respected than u have rights to ask respect from others.

Yes, we have friends like Bananiot, Costas,Andreas,Charis,Micheal,Yannis,Lisa,Electra,Marina and so on .... we have respect each other pains and trying very hard to buildup good relationship between eachother. I bet u know this expression ''Bir Fincan Kahvenin 40 yıl hatırı var''(forty years have a cup of coffee)This little discourse should tell a lot ! with this idea we will not hate eachother or put each other lives in danger.

There are some people in this forum who are getting upset from our friendship. we don't care ! we are on right track. We are just hoping our numbers will increase at future. We will not fed up to show them that there was always other side of the coin too.

we are luck we have some brave writers in north who are always write other side of the coin as well and TC's are learning everyday other side pains as well. I am afraid not much writers u can find in south who can write more about Turkish Cypriots pains. Not many people knows dark days of 1963's.
But, we always have hope for our future !!!!!!!!!!!

Halil, i really support the efforts of you and your friends to overcome cross-cultural barriers; and it makes me really happy to know that there are people over there that are really trying to move forward. it is inspirational.

[shalay]

I think our friend Shalay is a very genuine and understanding individual , Im certain that he or she can empathise with the suffering of all Cypriots and understand the plight of the dispossessed Cypriots who have seen their ancestral lands sold off to foreigners.
The exact translation of ENOSIS Shalay is Union .
I supported ENOSIS then I do not with hindsight support it now and neither does the overwhelming majority of G/Cs . To understand the reasons for the G/Cs aspiring for ENOSIS its not hard and neither was such an aspiration abominable as some people make. The overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS because independence had never been experienced , ENOSIS was the natural cause at the time. Do also ask your self , had the T/Cs been the 80% of the population and demanded ENOSIS with Turkey would that be understandable ?

thank you very much
what you've written has really increased my understanding and i really really appreciate that. Your question is also very insightful;i dont think i would agree to enosis with turkey if the GC community was against it. what do you think?

[Bananiot]

The father of Birkibrisli was targetted by the TMT when the latter turned into a terrorist organisation with Denktash at its helm. In effect this is what drove the family to exile. However, what can one expect from a fascist of B25 calibre, to show empathy to a "Turk"? Just look at the way he uses the word Turk, as if it is the dirtiest word that goes round. This is how all Greek Cypriot fascists (and some unsuspecting) use the word. Others, still use the word "dog".

Even on a radio chat show this morning, when it was mentioned that the Nicosia Municipality catches on average two stray dogs every month, a listener took the time to write an msm that said: Can the municipality catch the other stray dogs and send them where they came from?

[shalay]

B22, first of all she is very young. Secondly she was born and lives in Australia. Thirdly she knows that she has a lot to learn. So why are you so impolite to her? To me she seems like an intelligent person and very mature for her age and she doesn't sound to be brainwashed by her parents as you imply.

thank you very very much, i really appreciate your understanding!

[Bananiot]

Shalay, you do not need to be apologetic when confronting fascists. B25 is just one of them, do not expect anything better from him.

[shalay]

I understand the concept of enosis, but did not know the literal translation of the word. there is a difference.

i should say however, that the concept of enosis has now been refreshed in my memory thanks to everyone who has tried to help my understanding, and i now appreciate more fully the complexity of the situation in relation to british rule.

[fig head]

its too damn hot to debate, ppl get of your little screens and go for a swim.. after u cool down the "hate" will fade haha

[shalay]

What led to partition were the interests of UK and Turkey. They used the Turkish Cypriots as their pawns, and turned them against the majority of the population. It was a "divide and rule" classic. This way the British managed to maintain 2 "sovereign" bases in Cyprus. Cyprus is the only of the former British colonies that still has parts of its territory under what is essentially British Colonial rule. Similarly Turkey with partition got 1/3rd of Cyprus for herself. It is Turkey which rules north Cyprus, not the TCs.

thats quite interesting to learn, it does actually inform my understanding of the origins of the conflict significantly

[Simon]

I think our friend Shalay is a very genuine and understanding individual , Im certain that he or she can empathise with the suffering of all Cypriots and understand the plight of the dispossessed Cypriots who have seen their ancestral lands sold off to foreigners.
The exact translation of ENOSIS Shalay is Union .
I supported ENOSIS then I do not with hindsight support it now and neither does the overwhelming majority of G/Cs . To understand the reasons for the G/Cs aspiring for ENOSIS its not hard and neither was such an aspiration abominable as some people make. The overwhelming majority of the Cypriot people wanted ENOSIS because independence had never been experienced , ENOSIS was the natural cause at the time. Do also ask your self , had the T/Cs been the 80% of the population and demanded ENOSIS with Turkey would that be understandable ?

thank you very much
what you've written has really increased my understanding and i really really appreciate that. Your question is also very insightful;i dont think i would agree to enosis with turkey if the GC community was against it. what do you think?

You may not have agreed with it, but would you have accepted it if the majority of the population had wanted it? Or would you have supported the creation of conditions to illegally partition the island?

If you would not have accepted it despite the feelings of the majority, then what are your thoughts on democracy in general? After all, almost all legislative and executive decisions are taken with at least a minority disapproving, but they have to accept it, do they not? Isn't that what democracy is about?

What about all the other areas of Greece that had Turkish minorities at some point in the past, do you also disagree with those regions becoming part of a Greek state? In which case, do you disagree with the establishment of a Greek state? What about the Kurds in Turkey, do you disagree with them being part of the Turkish state, as many Kurds disapprove. You really need to think through what you're saying here. Just how much power should minorities have?

[paliometoxo]

its too damn hot to debate, ppl get of your little screens and go for a swim.. after u cool down the "hate" will fade haha

most of them are in england where its raining and cold...