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[insan]

Fule plays down the magic of EU membership
By Toby Vogel
29.07.2010 / 05:40 CET

Stefan Fule, the European commissioner for enlargement, says that progress on joining the EU is in the hands of the applicant countries themselves.
This autumn, several looming deadlines could intensify the difficulties facing Štefan Füle, the European commissioner for enlargement and the neighbourhood policy. They are neatly grouped around the second week of November, when Füle is to present the Commission's progress reports on the Union's would-be members, from Croatia in the north-west Balkans to Turkey down to the south and east. Iceland, whose membership talks were launched on Tuesday (27 July), is one of the few bright spots in that picture – for now.

Cyprus problem

The United Nations wants the settlement talks on Cyprus, which have been rumbling along since the autumn of 2008, to yield a breakthrough by the end of the year or be called off. An end to the negotiations would almost certainly mean the de facto suspension of Turkey's membership talks. “It needs to be said that everybody understands that there is this elephant in the room,” Füle told European Voice. “Solving the Cyprus problem would be a tremendous boost to [Turkey's] accession.”

Progress in Turkey's membership talks has been painfully slow, with just one policy chapter opened during each of the terms of Sweden and Spain as holder of the rotating presidency of the Council of Ministers. The talks could now grind to a halt.

David Cameron, the UK's prime minister, this week (27 July) accused the Turkey-sceptics in the EU of being driven by protectionism and prejudice.
“I cannot say that we in the Commission are happy about opening one chapter per presidency,” Füle said. “At the same time, the key is in the hands of the Turks.” The pace of the talks, he said, is “a reflection of the reform process in the country”.

This is only partially true. Turkey's parliament, dominated by the mildly Islamist Justice and Development (AK) Party of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, passed one of the most far-reaching reforms of the constitution before leaving for its summer break; the constitutional amendments will be put to a popular referendum on 12 September, 30 years to the day since the military coup in whose aftermath the constitution was drafted. It is the Cyprus problem and the cover it provides to opponents of Turkish accession, including Austria, France and Germany, that have limited to just three the number of chapters effectively available to be negotiated.


http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/imported/fule-plays-down-the-magic-of-eu-membership/68673.aspx

i think it pretty much explains why turkey is in a hurry...for solution...

this deal as it stands is between the EU and turkey, due to the fact turkey never really understood every club has rules to be followed...

and now told quite bluntly...lets see if they are listening...

i reckon turkey will wait till the last minute and then make an offering...as a negotiator i would do the same...

OR

turkey snubbs the EU and forms a union with her newly found buddies...highly unlikely scenario coz if i was turkey, not quite ready yet in taking such a giant leap, as the west still brings home the bacon, i would be pushing for not only looking at the cake but eating the whole lot...keeping options is the name of the game...


then again they might just offer a reduction of forces...this could be seen as a compromised by the poodles... ...all i know is they will offer the absolute minimum and they will harp how wonderfully are helping the peace process via the sacrifices they are making...

... it seems like he is trying to balance his so-called foul against GC administration...

Stefan Fule, Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood Policy has recently made repeated references of the necessity to “lift the isolation of Turkish Cypriots.” Considering the high level negotiations underway for Cyprus’ reunification, the question of “Turkish Cypriot isolation”, must be clarified.

http://www.neurope.eu/articles/The-trut ... /99788.php

3 months ago "foe" for Hellenic people, now sounds "friendly" ? what about after another 3 months?

and just to show you how pathetic your reply was...actually what you are saying who cares if turkey is kicked out of the EU, as long as fule supports us, the TCS in having direct trade...NICE...

now i am eagerlry awaiting your squirm of a reply...

What I clearly told you is that; officials make statements according to the political circumstances they have been in... they might be intended to create impressions or pressure depending on the political circumstances...

The fact of the matter is, in it's essential; the conflict between the major political groups of EU regarding the Turkey's EU accession... One major political group of EU supports the full membership of Turkey the other supports a "privileged membership" for Turkey...

Do you think one major political group of EU supports the "privileged" membership of Turkey because of the unresolved Cyprus problem?

Turkey rushes to solve the Cyprob not because the solution of Cyprob in any way would open her road to full EU membership but the actual reason is the strategic alliance she has been in with US and NATO member EU countries...

I think there's no need for explaining you what the global policies of NATO member states are regarding the "world peace"; especially "the peace and stability" of the middle east and caucauses...

[Nikitas]

simple situation: Turkey has low wages, low social insurance, no costlly envionmental regulations.So it is a cheap place to set up factories. BUT, now Europe needs employment, so some of those factories mustto return to their "mother" countries. Obviousy they want to slow Turkey's accession.

Cyprus is a tool. We are being used. Greece was being used in preventing EU-Turkey customs union, relied on to use its veto with boring regularity. Until the Greeks said OK in 1992 and then the "friends of Turkey" in the EU raised all kinds of objections they had never used before.

The mindset of the pezevenghis at its best. IF they object so much to the occupation let them DO something about it directly, not hide behind the victim.

[boomerang]

Fule plays down the magic of EU membership
By Toby Vogel
29.07.2010 / 05:40 CET

Stefan Fule, the European commissioner for enlargement, says that progress on joining the EU is in the hands of the applicant countries themselves.
This autumn, several looming deadlines could intensify the difficulties facing Štefan Füle, the European commissioner for enlargement and the neighbourhood policy. They are neatly grouped around the second week of November, when Füle is to present the Commission's progress reports on the Union's would-be members, from Croatia in the north-west Balkans to Turkey down to the south and east. Iceland, whose membership talks were launched on Tuesday (27 July), is one of the few bright spots in that picture – for now.

Cyprus problem

The United Nations wants the settlement talks on Cyprus, which have been rumbling along since the autumn of 2008, to yield a breakthrough by the end of the year or be called off. An end to the negotiations would almost certainly mean the de facto suspension of Turkey's membership talks. “It needs to be said that everybody understands that there is this elephant in the room,” Füle told European Voice. “Solving the Cyprus problem would be a tremendous boost to [Turkey's] accession.”

Progress in Turkey's membership talks has been painfully slow, with just one policy chapter opened during each of the terms of Sweden and Spain as holder of the rotating presidency of the Council of Ministers. The talks could now grind to a halt.

David Cameron, the UK's prime minister, this week (27 July) accused the Turkey-sceptics in the EU of being driven by protectionism and prejudice.
“I cannot say that we in the Commission are happy about opening one chapter per presidency,” Füle said. “At the same time, the key is in the hands of the Turks.” The pace of the talks, he said, is “a reflection of the reform process in the country”.

This is only partially true. Turkey's parliament, dominated by the mildly Islamist Justice and Development (AK) Party of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, passed one of the most far-reaching reforms of the constitution before leaving for its summer break; the constitutional amendments will be put to a popular referendum on 12 September, 30 years to the day since the military coup in whose aftermath the constitution was drafted. It is the Cyprus problem and the cover it provides to opponents of Turkish accession, including Austria, France and Germany, that have limited to just three the number of chapters effectively available to be negotiated.


http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/imported/fule-plays-down-the-magic-of-eu-membership/68673.aspx

i think it pretty much explains why turkey is in a hurry...for solution...

this deal as it stands is between the EU and turkey, due to the fact turkey never really understood every club has rules to be followed...

and now told quite bluntly...lets see if they are listening...

i reckon turkey will wait till the last minute and then make an offering...as a negotiator i would do the same...

OR

turkey snubbs the EU and forms a union with her newly found buddies...highly unlikely scenario coz if i was turkey, not quite ready yet in taking such a giant leap, as the west still brings home the bacon, i would be pushing for not only looking at the cake but eating the whole lot...keeping options is the name of the game...


then again they might just offer a reduction of forces...this could be seen as a compromised by the poodles... ...all i know is they will offer the absolute minimum and they will harp how wonderfully are helping the peace process via the sacrifices they are making...

... it seems like he is trying to balance his so-called foul against GC administration...

Stefan Fule, Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood Policy has recently made repeated references of the necessity to “lift the isolation of Turkish Cypriots.” Considering the high level negotiations underway for Cyprus’ reunification, the question of “Turkish Cypriot isolation”, must be clarified.

http://www.neurope.eu/articles/The-trut ... /99788.php

3 months ago "foe" for Hellenic people, now sounds "friendly" ? what about after another 3 months?

and just to show you how pathetic your reply was...actually what you are saying who cares if turkey is kicked out of the EU, as long as fule supports us, the TCS in having direct trade...NICE...

now i am eagerlry awaiting your squirm of a reply...

What I clearly told you is that; officials make statements according to the political circumstances they have been in... they might be intended to create impressions or pressure depending on the political circumstances...

The fact of the matter is, in it's essential; the conflict between the major political groups of EU regarding the Turkey's EU accession... One major political group of EU supports the full membership of Turkey the other supports a "privileged membership" for Turkey...

Do you think one major political group of EU supports the "privileged" membership of Turkey because of the unresolved Cyprus problem?

Turkey rushes to solve the Cyprob not because the solution of Cyprob in any way would open her road to full EU membership but the actual reason is the strategic alliance she has been in with US and NATO member EU countries...

I think there's no need for explaining you what the global policies of NATO member states are regarding the "world peace"; especially "the peace and stability" of the middle east and caucauses...

here we go more waffling...

this is the essence of what was said insan, but your refusal to "comprente" has no bounds...

fact 1
if turkey walks away no unification...dead end

fact 2

“I cannot say that we in the Commission are happy about opening one chapter per presidency,” Füle said. “At the same time, the key is in the hands of the Turks.” The pace of the talks, he said, is “a reflection of the reform process in the country”.

the above is not a political statement but fact...as turkey is trying to enter the club on her rules...unsuccessfully i may add, as spelt out above...

the blame is surey on turkey, or you think miraculously comes november, the chapters will unfreeze themselves...

not only turkey knew this but everyone knew it long ago, as the subject is coming head on...

rules are rules...

[insan]

Fule plays down the magic of EU membership
By Toby Vogel
29.07.2010 / 05:40 CET

Stefan Fule, the European commissioner for enlargement, says that progress on joining the EU is in the hands of the applicant countries themselves.
This autumn, several looming deadlines could intensify the difficulties facing Štefan Füle, the European commissioner for enlargement and the neighbourhood policy. They are neatly grouped around the second week of November, when Füle is to present the Commission's progress reports on the Union's would-be members, from Croatia in the north-west Balkans to Turkey down to the south and east. Iceland, whose membership talks were launched on Tuesday (27 July), is one of the few bright spots in that picture – for now.

Cyprus problem

The United Nations wants the settlement talks on Cyprus, which have been rumbling along since the autumn of 2008, to yield a breakthrough by the end of the year or be called off. An end to the negotiations would almost certainly mean the de facto suspension of Turkey's membership talks. “It needs to be said that everybody understands that there is this elephant in the room,” Füle told European Voice. “Solving the Cyprus problem would be a tremendous boost to [Turkey's] accession.”

Progress in Turkey's membership talks has been painfully slow, with just one policy chapter opened during each of the terms of Sweden and Spain as holder of the rotating presidency of the Council of Ministers. The talks could now grind to a halt.

David Cameron, the UK's prime minister, this week (27 July) accused the Turkey-sceptics in the EU of being driven by protectionism and prejudice.
“I cannot say that we in the Commission are happy about opening one chapter per presidency,” Füle said. “At the same time, the key is in the hands of the Turks.” The pace of the talks, he said, is “a reflection of the reform process in the country”.

This is only partially true. Turkey's parliament, dominated by the mildly Islamist Justice and Development (AK) Party of Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, passed one of the most far-reaching reforms of the constitution before leaving for its summer break; the constitutional amendments will be put to a popular referendum on 12 September, 30 years to the day since the military coup in whose aftermath the constitution was drafted. It is the Cyprus problem and the cover it provides to opponents of Turkish accession, including Austria, France and Germany, that have limited to just three the number of chapters effectively available to be negotiated.


http://www.europeanvoice.com/article/imported/fule-plays-down-the-magic-of-eu-membership/68673.aspx

i think it pretty much explains why turkey is in a hurry...for solution...

this deal as it stands is between the EU and turkey, due to the fact turkey never really understood every club has rules to be followed...

and now told quite bluntly...lets see if they are listening...

i reckon turkey will wait till the last minute and then make an offering...as a negotiator i would do the same...

OR

turkey snubbs the EU and forms a union with her newly found buddies...highly unlikely scenario coz if i was turkey, not quite ready yet in taking such a giant leap, as the west still brings home the bacon, i would be pushing for not only looking at the cake but eating the whole lot...keeping options is the name of the game...


then again they might just offer a reduction of forces...this could be seen as a compromised by the poodles... ...all i know is they will offer the absolute minimum and they will harp how wonderfully are helping the peace process via the sacrifices they are making...

... it seems like he is trying to balance his so-called foul against GC administration...

Stefan Fule, Commissioner for Enlargement and European Neighbourhood Policy has recently made repeated references of the necessity to “lift the isolation of Turkish Cypriots.” Considering the high level negotiations underway for Cyprus’ reunification, the question of “Turkish Cypriot isolation”, must be clarified.

http://www.neurope.eu/articles/The-trut ... /99788.php

3 months ago "foe" for Hellenic people, now sounds "friendly" ? what about after another 3 months?

and just to show you how pathetic your reply was...actually what you are saying who cares if turkey is kicked out of the EU, as long as fule supports us, the TCS in having direct trade...NICE...

now i am eagerlry awaiting your squirm of a reply...

What I clearly told you is that; officials make statements according to the political circumstances they have been in... they might be intended to create impressions or pressure depending on the political circumstances...

The fact of the matter is, in it's essential; the conflict between the major political groups of EU regarding the Turkey's EU accession... One major political group of EU supports the full membership of Turkey the other supports a "privileged membership" for Turkey...

Do you think one major political group of EU supports the "privileged" membership of Turkey because of the unresolved Cyprus problem?

Turkey rushes to solve the Cyprob not because the solution of Cyprob in any way would open her road to full EU membership but the actual reason is the strategic alliance she has been in with US and NATO member EU countries...

I think there's no need for explaining you what the global policies of NATO member states are regarding the "world peace"; especially "the peace and stability" of the middle east and caucauses...

here we go more waffling...

this is the essence of what was said insan, but your refusal to "comprente" has no bounds...

fact 1
if turkey walks away no unification...dead end

fact 2

“I cannot say that we in the Commission are happy about opening one chapter per presidency,” Füle said. “At the same time, the key is in the hands of the Turks.” The pace of the talks, he said, is “a reflection of the reform process in the country”.

the above is not a political statement but fact...as turkey is trying to enter the club on her rules...unsuccessfully i may add, as spelt out above...

the blame is surey on turkey, or you think miraculously comes november, the chapters will unfreeze themselves...

not only turkey knew this but everyone knew it long ago, as the subject is coming head on...

rules are rules...

Boomerang, the solution of Cyprob; be it either by way of unification or partition has nothing to do with "walking away" of Turkey... Turkey and TCs have always wanted the solution of Cyprob in a way that would satisfy the interests of TCs and Turkey by taking into account the interests of the "allies" as well... Supposedly, Greece was an ally of Turkey too and had been expected the Greek considered GCs would e the be the "llies" of Turkey too.

The 60s agreements and the constitution were based on this idea/hope in the age of cold war... Had Turks and Hellenes(includes GCS) managed to reconcile and trully allied regionally; there neither wouldn't be any major conflict between "you" and "us"; nor the US and some NATO allies would have to play political games to Turks, Greeks and "Cypriots" in order to keep the stability of the NATO by satisfying "us" with sometimes dirty politics and sometimes supposedly granting "gifts".

The only ones who would have suffered in Cyprus, Greece and Turkey would have been the leftists and their active supporters; especially the Greek left and Akelites... Although I wouldn't wish any political groups to suffer, it would have ben far better for Cyprus, Turkey and Greece and maority of their people...

As long as Turkey, Greece and US are in the same family of alliance; Turkey, thus TCs besides Greece and GCs and all relevant parties who have interests and concerns about the decades old conflict between Greece, Turkey and the 2 major communities of Cyprus have to put effort for the solution of Cyprob one way or other...

However, the fact is what "we" call as a solution be it either unification or partition has never been considered as a solution by "you" and vice versa...

Weather Turkey "walks away" or not, she will have to exert to solve the Cyprob one way or other as a requirement of being in the NATO and nromalizing her relations with the neighbouring countries primarily for her own interests and secondarily for the interests of all other major global players...

I'm sure of one thing and that is neither TCs nor Turkey will accept any solution plan that does not contain the well known parameters of Turkish-TC solution thesis...

[Me Ed]

There is the problem for me, I fundamentaly have no problem with the TCs putting forward their interests when it comes to our common homeland, its Turkeys interests which I detest and will never entertain.