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[Nikitas]

The genteman is singing in Griko, the Greek dialect of southern Itay, spoken there for 3000 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hDTK0HCi44

Notice the similarities with current Cypriot pronunciation. It seems to contradict those that insist that Kypreika are influenced by Turkish.

The other interesting thing about Megali Ellada is that there you are likely to see more signs in Greek, albeit with Latin characters, than you might see in some areas of Cyprus and some Greek tourist haunts.

[ttoli]

Don't tell me, now Italy is Greek too?

[Malapapa]

The genteman is singing in Griko, the Greek dialect of southern Itay, spoken there for 3000 years.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hDTK0HCi44

Notice the similarities with current Cypriot pronunciation. It seems to contradict those that insist that Kypreika are influenced by Turkish.

Who ever insisted that spoken Cypriot was unduly influenced by Turkish – any more than other vernaculars spoken in ex-Ottoman territories?

Cypriot, by virtue of the island's distance from the Greek cultural hub of Athens, has managed to retain much that is of archaic origin, and no longer used in modern Greek. Presumably the same applies to Griko.

[JeanGray]

Don't tell me, now Italy is Greek too?

Griko, sometimes spelled Grico, is a form of the Greek language which is spoken by people in the Magna Graecia region in southern Italy. The Greeks consider it as a Modern Greek dialect and often call it Katoitaliotika (Greek: Κατωιταλιώτικα, "Southern Italian") or Grekanika (Γραικάνικα). Griko and Standard Modern Greek are mutually intelligible to some extent.

Your welcome

[Get Real!]

If written Cypriot existed from at least 1500 BCE that we know of, imagine how much earlier in history spoken Cypriot was in use!

Greek did not appear until around 800BC as this timeline of ancient scripts demonstrates, so the notion that the Cypriot language comes from Greek is laughable!

It’s like telling your grandfather that he is your descendant!

http://www.ancientscripts.com/ws_timeline.html

[Simon]

If written Cypriot existed from at least 1500 BCE that we know of, imagine how much earlier in history spoken Cypriot was in use!

Greek did not appear until around 800BC as this timeline of ancient scripts demonstrates, so the notion that the Cypriot language comes from Greek is laughable!

It’s like telling your grandfather that he is your descendant!

http://www.ancientscripts.com/ws_timeline.html

GR you are clearly confused as your facts are all muddled once again. You must differentiate in your mind spoken language from the written language.

The Cypro-Minoan syllabary (1550-1050 BC) existed initially to write a language other than Greek, i.e. before the Greek language established itself on the island. Once the Greeks colonised Cyprus, the Cypriot script emerged in order to write Greek. You seem to be saying that the spoken Greek language emerged in Cyprus, simply because the Cypriot script existed before the Greek alphabet. Now that is laughable!

[Get Real!]

If written Cypriot existed from at least 1500 BCE that we know of, imagine how much earlier in history spoken Cypriot was in use!

Greek did not appear until around 800BC as this timeline of ancient scripts demonstrates, so the notion that the Cypriot language comes from Greek is laughable!

It’s like telling your grandfather that he is your descendant!

http://www.ancientscripts.com/ws_timeline.html

GR you are clearly confused as your facts are all muddled once again. You must differentiate in your mind spoken language from the written language.

The Cypro-Minoan syllabary (1550-1050 BC) existed initially to write a language other than Greek, i.e. before the Greek language established itself on the island. Once the Greeks colonised Cyprus, the Cypriot script emerged in order to write Greek. You seem to be saying that the spoken Greek language emerged in Cyprus, simply because the Cypriot script existed before the Greek alphabet. Now that is laughable!

The Greeks DID NOT colonize Cyprus as there is not a credible shred of evidence to back that. In fact, it doesn’t even make any sense! Had a group of Greeks arrived on Cyprus they would’ve found a well established Cypriot society and culture, language and alphabet included, so they would’ve had no option but to FULLY ASSIMILATE with Cypriots or leave! The process wouldn’t have taken much longer than 2-3 generations.

The Greek language NEVER established itself on Cyprus! What the Greeks are using today is an evolved dialect of Cypriot. As for calling it “Greek” it’s just a label and NEVER forget that…

Cyprus is part of the cradle of civilization and Greece is NOT. Historically, Greece is just an infant when compared to Cyprus.

[Simon]

If written Cypriot existed from at least 1500 BCE that we know of, imagine how much earlier in history spoken Cypriot was in use!

Greek did not appear until around 800BC as this timeline of ancient scripts demonstrates, so the notion that the Cypriot language comes from Greek is laughable!

It’s like telling your grandfather that he is your descendant!

http://www.ancientscripts.com/ws_timeline.html

GR you are clearly confused as your facts are all muddled once again. You must differentiate in your mind spoken language from the written language.

The Cypro-Minoan syllabary (1550-1050 BC) existed initially to write a language other than Greek, i.e. before the Greek language established itself on the island. Once the Greeks colonised Cyprus, the Cypriot script emerged in order to write Greek. You seem to be saying that the spoken Greek language emerged in Cyprus, simply because the Cypriot script existed before the Greek alphabet. Now that is laughable!

The Greeks DID NOT colonize Cyprus as there is not a credible shred of evidence to back that. In fact, it doesn’t even make any sense! Had a group of Greeks arrived on Cyprus they would’ve found a well established Cypriot society and culture, language and alphabet included, so they would’ve had no option but to FULLY ASSIMILATE with Cypriots or leave! The process wouldn’t have taken much longer than 2-3 generations.

The Greek language NEVER established itself on Cyprus! What the Greeks are using today is an evolved dialect of Cypriot. As for calling it “Greek” it’s just a label and NEVER forget that…

Cyprus is part of the cradle of civilization and Greece is NOT. Historically, Greece is just an infant when compared to Cyprus.

GR, you are obviously a wind-up merchant and not a serious poster. What about all the other places the Greeks colonised, is that all made up as well? You constantly bang on about evidence, but there is not a shred of evidence to back any of your claims. The Greek colonisation of Cyprus is a fact supported by the world's museums, historians and archaeologists, and yet the mighty and noble GR tells us another story from the depths of his glorious imagination! Unfortunately GR history cannot just be re-invented and made up as we go along to suit our tastes. You also consistently talk about Greeks and mythology, but with your imagination and story telling I would go as far as to say you are certainly a first class student of Homer (if such an individual did exist!). You are right about one thing though, Cyprus is part of the cradle of civilisation, as it was/is an important element of Greek civilisation.

P.S. How could the Greek language come from Cyprus when prior to Arcadocypriot Greek, the Cypriots spoke Eteocypriot, a pre-Indo-European language which was not even related to Greek?!

[kurupetos]

Don't tell me, now Italy is Greek too?

Now it's not, but it used to be Greek just like Asia Minor, south France, East Spain and most of north Africa.

[Get Real!]

If written Cypriot existed from at least 1500 BCE that we know of, imagine how much earlier in history spoken Cypriot was in use!

Greek did not appear until around 800BC as this timeline of ancient scripts demonstrates, so the notion that the Cypriot language comes from Greek is laughable!

It’s like telling your grandfather that he is your descendant!

http://www.ancientscripts.com/ws_timeline.html

GR you are clearly confused as your facts are all muddled once again. You must differentiate in your mind spoken language from the written language.

The Cypro-Minoan syllabary (1550-1050 BC) existed initially to write a language other than Greek, i.e. before the Greek language established itself on the island. Once the Greeks colonised Cyprus, the Cypriot script emerged in order to write Greek. You seem to be saying that the spoken Greek language emerged in Cyprus, simply because the Cypriot script existed before the Greek alphabet. Now that is laughable!

The Greeks DID NOT colonize Cyprus as there is not a credible shred of evidence to back that. In fact, it doesn’t even make any sense! Had a group of Greeks arrived on Cyprus they would’ve found a well established Cypriot society and culture, language and alphabet included, so they would’ve had no option but to FULLY ASSIMILATE with Cypriots or leave! The process wouldn’t have taken much longer than 2-3 generations.

The Greek language NEVER established itself on Cyprus! What the Greeks are using today is an evolved dialect of Cypriot. As for calling it “Greek” it’s just a label and NEVER forget that…

Cyprus is part of the cradle of civilization and Greece is NOT. Historically, Greece is just an infant when compared to Cyprus.

GR, you are obviously a wind-up merchant and not a serious poster. What about all the other places the Greeks colonised, is that all made up as well? You constantly bang on about evidence, but there is not a shred of evidence to back any of your claims. The world's museums, historians and archaeologists tell us one thing, and the mighty and noble GR tells us another from the depths of his glorious imagination! Unfortunately GR history cannot just be re-invented and made up as we go along to suit our tastes. You also consistently talk about Greeks and mythology, but with your imagination and story telling I would go as far as to say you are certainly a first class student of Homer (if such an individual did exist!). You are right about one thing though, Cyprus is part of the cradle of civilisation, as it was/is an important element of Greek civilisation.

Get your ancient history in order Simon!

If you read about the Cradle of Civilization you won’t find anything Greek there!

The Levant and Mesopotamia is where the ancient heavyweights of civilization existed from which EVERYTHING else (in Europe at least) including Greece flows!

In fact, there’s no mention of “Greece” in the Old Testament even but you’ll find plenty of references to Cyprus and Cypriots!

An island that was part of the Cradle of Civilization cannot be reinvented in the future as “Greek”, so stop making a fool of your self! Ancient Greece is just a baby that appeared much later in the history of man.



Had we had a time machine to travel back to Cyprus in 8,000BC this is what we would’ve found…



But, had we also stopped by what you call "Greece" today, this is what we would've found in caves....



Now quit pussyfooting around and bow down to the ancient Cypriots!