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[apc2010]

dude .... " being am ajournalist " is seriously not a good advert ,

[wyoming cowboy]

Not sure if its true, but I was told this; can a GC read and understand the New Testament in its original Greek more successfully than a Greek from Greece?

both can read it..in my opinion, but a cypriot without formal Greek education but only surrounded in the Greek cypriot dialect can understand it also...if that makes any sense...basically what im saying is that both the Greek and Greek cypriots know the words but an uneducated Greek only surrounded by modern Greek cannot...

That's very interesting as I've seen one of those Bibles where you have the original Greek along side modern Greek.

One can infer then that in general, Cyproits and islanders, can understand it better than mainland Greeks?

No not really they both understand both versions equally....like i said before in Greek and Greek cyps schools from my understanding, take religion classes and ancient greek courses....but someone like me who has never been to Greek or Greek cyp school, but is surrounded by the Greek cyp dialect can understand ....if that makes it any clearer...and also listening to Greek and Greek cyp newscasts, i understand about 50 percent of what they are saying....but if i listen to the archbishop or a priest speaking i understand 100 percent of what he is saying.....

[Get Real!]

As for GRs theory that Cyprios somehow made it back to Greece where it took over all city states and replaced the language already spoken there, that sounds a little far fetched.

The migratory routes of ancient man are a testament of the FLOW OF CIVILIZATION, and certainly NOT the other way round that Greek mythology claims!

[Get Real!]

NB: Greek Mythology = Greek bourdes kai baramythkia!

[Lit]

RoC, Dept. of Antiquities:

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[Simon]

GR you have jumped onto a completely different issue and taken a single comment out of context, ignoring the rest of my post. You are now referring to the areas where the first civilisations emerged, which incidentally was Mesopotamia and Egypt, not Cyprus, simply because I have exposed the claptrap you were previously spouting.

I was referring to the ancient Greek civilisation (as this was the subject matter of our debate) which is widely regarded as the basis of modern western civilisation, i.e. Athens, cradle of democracy etc. I am well aware of where the first civilisations emerged! This is what a weak and immature debator does GR, jumps from one issue to the next and focusing on irrelevant side-comments because focusing on one issue for too long will inevitably lead to defeat!

P.S. You yourself should brush up on your ancient history, as you would soon discover that the Cycladic civilisation is also often mentioned within the cradle of civilisation!

What “Greek civilization” and green horses are you mumbling about Simon?

The Greeks were simply TAUGHT everything they knew from people that formed part of the CRADLE of civilization! Language, religion, society, EVERYTHING!

The Greek mythology theories you spout were invented in the 19th century! Ever since the 1821 win over their Ottoman adversaries, the Greeks lost it completely immersing themselves in the new Greek nationalism, which was comprised of 10% truths, 10% half truths, and 80% downright lies!

One of the greatest Greek lies to aid their thirst for expansionism was the alleged “Colonization of Cyprus” for which there is not a shred of evidence!

What ancient Greek civilisation you ask? Well, here is your homework for the weekend GR, enjoy...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greece
http://www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/aegean/
http://www.ancientgreece.com/s/Main_Page/
http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/greeks/ (a good place for you to start)
http://www.bbc.co.uk/schools/primaryhis ... nt_greeks/
http://www.crystalinks.com/greekculture.html
http://edpa.tripod.com/history/greece.htm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxKwysVTeYg - Cradles of Civilisation -Ancient Greece (You'll enjoy this video GR, it asks, "who were the first to really think"
Pomeroy, Sarah B. (1999). Ancient Greece: a political, social, and cultural history. Oxford University Press. ISBN 9780195097429. http://books.google.com/books?id=INUT5s ... navlinks_s.
Grant, Michael (1995). Greek and Roman historians: information and misinformation. Routledge, 1995. p. 74. ISBN 9780415117708. http://books.google.com/books?id=IUNxvi0kbd8C&dq=.
Hall Jonathan M. (2007). A history of the archaic Greek world, ca. 1200-479 BCE. Wiley-Blackwell. ISBN 9780631226673. http://books.google.com/books?id=WGNH-oxXiAUC&dq=.
Sealey Raphael (1976). A history of the Greek city states, ca. 700-338 B.C.. University of California Press. pp. 10–11. ISBN 9780631226673. http://books.google.com/books?id=kAvbhZrv4gUC&dq=.
"Online Etymology Dictionary". Etymonline.com. http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=tyrant. Retrieved 2009-01-06.
"tyrant—Definitions from Dictionary.com". Dictionary.reference.com. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tyrant. Retrieved 2009-01-06.
Holland T. Persian Fire p69-70. ISBN 978-0-349-11717-1
Holland T. Persian Fire p131-138. ISBN 978-0-349-11717-1 Typhoid Fever Behind Fall of Athens. LiveScience. January 23, 2006.
Alexander's Gulf outpost uncovered. BBC News. August 7, 2007.
Sources for the map: "Historical Atlas of Peninsular India" Oxford University Press (dark blue, continuous line), A.K. Narain "The coins of the Indo-Greek kings" (dark blue, dotted line, see File:Indo-GreekWestermansNarain.jpg for reference), Westermans "Atlas zur Weltgeschichte" (light blue, dotted line, see File:WestermannVerlagIndoGreeks.jpg for reference).
Population of the Greek city-states
Holland, T. Persian Fire, Abacus, ISBN 978-0-349-11717-1
Holland T. Persian Fire, p94 ISBN 978-0-349-11717-1
Slavery in Ancient Greece. Britannica Student Encyclopædia.
Angus Konstam: "Historical Atlas of Ancient Greece", pp. 94-95. Thalamus publishing, UK, 2003, ISBN 1-904668-16-X
W. Schieder, "Real slave prices and the relative cost of slave labor in the Greco-Roman world", Ancient Society, vol. 35, 2005.
Pedersen, Early Physics and Astronomy, pp. 55-6 Pedersen, Early Physics and Astronomy, pp. 45-7
Useful known and unknown views of the father of modern medicine, Hippocrates and his teacher Democritus., U.S. National Library of Medicine
Hippocrates, Microsoft Encarta Online Encyclopedia 2006. Microsoft Corporation. Archived 2009-10-31.
Strong, W.F.; Cook, John A. (July 2007). "Reviving the Dead Greek Guys" ([dead link]). Global Media Journal, Indian Edition. ISSN: 1550-7521. http://www.manipal.edu/gmj/issues/jul07/strong.php.
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Nuland, Sherwin B. (1988). Doctors. Knopf. p. 5. ISBN 0394551303.


There are thousands more GR.

How about the Greek alphabet...

"It is the first and oldest alphabet in the narrow sense that it notes each vowel and consonant with a separate symbol".

Coulmas, Florian (1996). The Blackwell Encyclopedia of Writing Systems. Oxford: Blackwell Publishers Ltd.

Yet another Greek innovation! What were you saying about the Greeks being taught everything?

How can ancient Greek civilisation be a 19th century invention when all the evidence including buildings, literature, archaelogical finds, discoveries and inventions etc precede this date? What do you think inspired the renaissance, which occurred well before the 19th century and Greek independence? Your claims are laughable GR, and it is even more laughable when you refer to evidence!

[Get Real!]

Ah well, here we go again:

This one’s for you Lit…

CONSTRUCTING AN ARCHAEOLOGICAL NARRATIVE:
THE HELLENIZATION OF CYPRUS

http://www.stanford.edu/dept/archaeolog ... /paper.pdf

[Oracle]

All the most recent evidence points to simultaneous colonisation of both Cyprus and the Franchthi Cave region (~ 11,000 BC) in the Peloponnese by the same group of sea-faring people. This corroborates with the similarities between the pygmy hippos of the Aegean and Cyprus.

[Get Real!]

There are thousands more GR.

How can ancient Greek civilisation be a 19th century invention when all the evidence including buildings, literature, archaelogical finds, discoveries and inventions etc precede this date? What do you think inspired the renaissance, which occurred well before the 19th century and Greek independence? Your claims are laughable GR, and it is even more laughable when you refer to evidence!

Greece is the MOTHER of lies!

The fine art of manufacturing and telling stories is a Greek specialization called… wait for it:

Greek mythology!

Greeks are a morally, ethically, and financially bankrupt group of incompetent people who have been living a life of delusions!

[Lit]

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... vilization

European cultures (in history of Europe: Greeks)

...Greeks reached their later areas of settlement between the Ionian and the Aegean seas. The fusion of these earliest Greek-speaking people with their predecessors produced the civilization known as Mycenaean. They penetrated to the sea into the Aegean region and via Crete (approximately 1400 bce) reached Rhodes and even Cyprus and the shores of Anatolia. From 1200 bce onward the Dorians...

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