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[Nikitas]

Bananiot,

Your posts reminsd me of that conversation between Makarios and George Ball, the US Undersecretary of State.

Makarios had asked if there is anything Cyprus did which bothered the US, or if there is anything the US wants Cyprus to do which it was not doing. Ball's response to both was NO. So Cyprus really never bothered the US or had a seriousy antiamerican approach.

Which then brings us to the possibillity that we have been victims not entirely of Cypriot non compliance with the requests of those that matter, but are more like collateral damage of other nations policies and pursuits. The important word here is ENTIRELY. Some of these policies, like the strategic importance Turkey attaches to Cyprus are more the result of a military psychosis than reality. On the other hand, if we had been a little wiser we would have understood even the psychoses of others and would have steered clear of them.

As for the possibility of a miilitary solution, I do not rule it out in theory, but in practice, when I see Cypriot culture and way of life, the conclusion is that we are not going to adopt the long term behavior as individuals or as a society necessary for this. We are not able to turn Cyprus into a new Israel.

[Nikitas]

Now as the secon part, the territory issue. It does feature very strongly in long term policy.

From repeated statements by Turkey it is obvious that pre- or post BBF the long term goal is division. If ten years after a formalised BBF the northern constituent state finds a pretext to secede, then we should have a situation where there is no unfinished business which leads to claims on the southern constituent state, ie we would have a repeat of 1974.

If the above is wrong and in fact everyone is served just fine by a BBF then the neat and tidy territorial settlement would prevent any repeat of 1963.

In either case the future status of the only territory under dubious title, the SBAs, must be figured out in advance. Pretending they do not concern us because they are now considered British sovereign territory is a reckelss approach.

[miltiades]

Supporting Cuba , Afghanistan Iraq and Palestine isn't actually conducive to our interests now is it !

It absolutely IS surely ?, the fact that there are people who recognise the struggle for freedom against the oppression of others (in whatever form it takes) is a quality to be admired, unless of course one wishes to join the ranks of the 'Pusillanimous Sycophants' who deem themselves to be on the winning side merely because their political mentors tell them so.

Better a man should stand by his beliefs, even at the cost of his life, than ally himself to the whims of oppressive (powerful) cowards. (IMHO)

Well said Schnauzer… you have my profound respect!

Two of a kind !!! Nonsensical philosophy based on stupidity !!

[Schnauzer]

Supporting Cuba , Afghanistan Iraq and Palestine isn't actually conducive to our interests now is it !

It absolutely IS surely ?, the fact that there are people who recognise the struggle for freedom against the oppression of others (in whatever form it takes) is a quality to be admired, unless of course one wishes to join the ranks of the 'Pusillanimous Sycophants' who deem themselves to be on the winning side merely because their political mentors tell them so.

Better a man should stand by his beliefs, even at the cost of his life, than ally himself to the whims of oppressive (powerful) cowards. (IMHO)

Well said Schnauzer… you have my profound respect!

Two of a kind !!! Nonsensical philosophy based on stupidity !!

Or, an example of at least two persons in agreement on important issues.

Merely a matter of perception miltiades, an attribute that you sadly lack.

May I suggest that you 'Take up the Sword' ?, for you do contaminate the virtue of an old adage which indicates that 'The Pen is Mightier'.

Sadly, NOT in the light of your inane ramblings. (IMHO) of course.

[Get Real!]

Here's why you're daft...

Britain just like any other world power naturally puts its own interests above all.

So far so good...

Nothing wrong in that , its time we too put our own interests above all

But if Britain's interests lie in Turkey then how on earth are you going to take care of Cyprus' interests unless you agree with Britain's Turkish bias???

Idiot!

[Cap]

Here's why you're daft...

Britain just like any other world power naturally puts its own interests above all.

So far so good...

Nothing wrong in that , its time we too put our own interests above all

But if Britain's interests lie in Turkey then how on earth are you going to take care of Cyprus' interests unless you agree with Britain's Turkish bias???

Idiot!

Good point . People have to realize that a nations interests mold their foreign policies. Little Cyprus can drop her pants and play the good boy role time and time again but that won't shift the US and Britains greater interests in our favor.

[Cap]

Hypothetically speaking, Cyprus could be the most pro American, pro Western nation on earth but if we one day had the capabilities and undertook a nuclear weapons program we would be sanctioned in a blink of an eye. The US and Britain would engineer the necessary pretexts to sanction and destroy us as we would be in direct conflict with their interests in the region and be altering the power balance in the area.

Look at Turkey, anti-American sentiment is virtually 100% in that country yet Turkey and the US still maintain 'lover' status.

[Bananiot]

DT, sorry DP.

[Bananiot]

Right, we give Britain and the USA to Turkey on a plate (baksish) and we keep Libya and China. We have done this before, we know how to do it again. One cannot be more foolish than this.

[Bananiot]

Hypothetically a meteorite may hit planet earth and the Cyprus issue would be of no consequence ....