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[Cap]

Reminds me of a little story a few years back.

A bunch of British soldiers (squaddies) were pissing it up at a popular Paphos bar( won't mention) and as usual going overboard and starting trouble. Now, unbeknownst to them, the bar was filled with Cypriot South African expat (Paphos Tigers) rugby players, and trust me, these mo fo's are big boys, me being the only Canuck there, although I've played Hockey and have taken part and seen the ugly end result of fisticuffs and bench clearing brawls aplenty, these guys carried an air of formidable violence. In any case, push led to shove, the 'squaddies' were clearly overmatched and KNEW it. So one of the rugby boys grabs a squaddie and shoves him up against the wall, fist pulled back ready to pound the dude into an English breakfast, and the guy says hang on a minute! We're not your enemy! We're soldiers sent here to 'PROTECT'!!?? you from the Turks!, Why would you want to fight us, we're on the same side! ..... Yeah right.
Had a good laugh after they left though. lol

[Schnauzer]

Supporting Cuba , Afghanistan Iraq and Palestine isn't actually conducive to our interests now is it !

It absolutely IS surely ?, the fact that there are people who recognise the struggle for freedom against the oppression of others (in whatever form it takes) is a quality to be admired, unless of course one wishes to join the ranks of the 'Pusillanimous Sycophants' who deem themselves to be on the winning side merely because their political mentors tell them so.

Better a man should stand by his beliefs, even at the cost of his life, than ally himself to the whims of oppressive (powerful) cowards. (IMHO)

You sound very much like another idiot who posted in exactly the same idiotic fashion that you do. You see plonker I have zero tolerance for fools and complete plonkers like . Shove off plonker !

It would be a grave mistake for anyone to expect an intelligent response from one such as yourself, your constant railing against any person who might have an opinion contrary to your own, is testimony to your worthlessness in ANY debate.

I will not answer your insults in kind, pity for you decrees that I should not, the adoption and personal predilection I have for good manners, denies me the desire to do so.

Lord only knows from what source I gain the strength to tolerate your insults, I am sure it MUST stem from pity.

[IMPOSTALIEDUS]

The british government or the zionists that run the british government , do not give a toss about anyone even thier own, they are only interested in making money and running the world, its the same people who are behind america and israel , we the people what ever part of the world we come from mean nothing, so today the british will be your friend but tomorrow who knows

[Get Real!]

Supporting Cuba , Afghanistan Iraq and Palestine isn't actually conducive to our interests now is it !

It absolutely IS surely ?, the fact that there are people who recognise the struggle for freedom against the oppression of others (in whatever form it takes) is a quality to be admired, unless of course one wishes to join the ranks of the 'Pusillanimous Sycophants' who deem themselves to be on the winning side merely because their political mentors tell them so.

Better a man should stand by his beliefs, even at the cost of his life, than ally himself to the whims of oppressive (powerful) cowards. (IMHO)

Well said Schnauzer… you have my profound respect!

[Get Real!]

Supporting Cuba , Afghanistan Iraq and Palestine isn't actually conducive to our interests now is it !

It absolutely IS surely ?, the fact that there are people who recognise the struggle for freedom against the oppression of others (in whatever form it takes) is a quality to be admired, unless of course one wishes to join the ranks of the 'Pusillanimous Sycophants' who deem themselves to be on the winning side merely because their political mentors tell them so.

Better a man should stand by his beliefs, even at the cost of his life, than ally himself to the whims of oppressive (powerful) cowards. (IMHO)

You sound very much like another idiot who posted in exactly the same idiotic fashion that you do. You see plonker I have zero tolerance for fools and complete plonkers like . Shove off plonker !

Can’t you see that a shallow and superficial clown of a human like yourself cannot even influence an ant?

[Schnauzer]

The british government or the zionists that run the british government , do not give a toss about anyone even thier own, they are only interested in making money and running the world, its the same people who are behind america and israel , we the people what ever part of the world we come from mean nothing, so today the british will be your friend but tomorrow who knows

The problem is (IMHO) that the British Government/s are past masters at ensuring that the people they wish to control are first given some sound (or obscure) reason to create disharmony amongst themselves.

In the guise of 'Helping' to solve the problems they have (by now) successfully created, they gain a firm foothold and the rest is history.

[Schnauzer]

Supporting Cuba , Afghanistan Iraq and Palestine isn't actually conducive to our interests now is it !

It absolutely IS surely ?, the fact that there are people who recognise the struggle for freedom against the oppression of others (in whatever form it takes) is a quality to be admired, unless of course one wishes to join the ranks of the 'Pusillanimous Sycophants' who deem themselves to be on the winning side merely because their political mentors tell them so.

Better a man should stand by his beliefs, even at the cost of his life, than ally himself to the whims of oppressive (powerful) cowards. (IMHO)

Well said Schnauzer… you have my profound respect!

Thank you GR, may I say that I would feel a sight more comfortable in YOUR company (in a precarious military situation) than I would were I accompanied by a certain member (whose identity MUST remain secret lest he calls us dirty names) ?

[Bananiot]

Nikitas

My conclusion is to grow up, fast, and adopt the same tactics. National self interest comes first. The rest follows from there. And as is well known, success comes from programmed progress towards defined goals. In our case the goals not only are not defined, they are not even agreed by the various political parties and factions.

As to the specific problem of Britain in Cyprus, I have said many times, to the point I sound obsessive: any territorial arrangement must specify that the British bases burden GC territory and that if and when the British leave the territory reverts to the GC component state.

Believe it! If the British leave and the territorial aspect of their bases is not settled beforehand we are going to relive 1963 and 1974 combined.

In a way the avoidance of the issue by GC politicians and the Cypriot public as a whole shows how naive and politicallly immature we are. Only fools would accept a geopolitical bomb like this, assuming they even realise the issue is there.

I will only ponder over your first paragraph. The British bases is a different issue all together. You say that we should grow up. I take this as meaning that we have been very immature so far and I totally agree with you. I suppose that when you write that we should adopt the same tactics you mean a long term policy that will use specific strategy to reach specific, realistic and feasible goals. This policy will be followed through no matter who is in office. This is in fact what mature nations do and as you said we have not yet shown any signs of growing up.

So we define our interests and we agree as to what they are. Next we embark on the long and difficult path of realising our aspirations which of course need to move in the sphere of the feasible and not the desirable. Since we are a very small nation and we cannot by ourselves further our interests we should strive to make them compatible (I am sure there is a better word but it does not click right now) with the interests of the powers that matter in this world and more so in this part of the world. Anyone can see that these powers are primarily the US and Britain (probably Turkey too!). Thus, we cannot have everything our way, we cannot go for the maximum but we need to make compromises. This is not a new fruit but it has always been this way. Our myopic stance over the years has cost us half of Cyprus mainly because we went for the maximum, thinking that we were entitled to it because we had the right our numbers gave to us (majority). By the time we realised that those that matter in this area had conflicting interests, it was too late and we started crying over the ruins of 1974.

So, yes Nikitas, I agree with you entirely, provided we take a long look at the above, understand where we went wrong and try to avoid making the same mistakes. If on the other hand we spend our energy trying to find out who is a friend and who is a foe, I foresee more misery in the future but this time round it would make no difference if the remnants of us blame everything on the Brits or whoever.

In a nutshell, if ever we loved this country, we should have made sure we had common interests with the countries that matter. Instead we took pride in bashing these countries and threatening them to form an alliance with their deadliest enemies, especially during the cold war period. Anyone who still wonders why we ended up as we did, please apply to GR and the other bash patriots of this forum who are making a last stand on morality high grounds and promise to teach principles to all evil institutions.

[bigOz]

We know their role in our past; but, what of the present?

Is Britain with us, or against us?

Siding with Turkey is a definite No - no !

Here, Cameron the Clown is indicating to us that Britain is now our foe ... is this true?

http://www.eurasiareview.com/2010072960 ... urkey.html

No darling! You are having a nightmare!
You also have my vote for the "drama queen of the year" award!

[Get Real!]

In a nutshell, if ever we loved this country, we should have made sure we had common interests with the countries that matter.

I often wonder what kind of an upbringing would manifest this kind of shallow and superficial nucleus in a child’s mind, because I don’t think this is something that happens to an adult overnight!