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[denizaksulu]

How many Greek-Cypriots have visited the north since 1974 and how many of them have been arrested?

More than a hundred.

Most of the people arrested have been charged with firearms offences or tresspassing on/photographing restricted areas. This last is also common in other countries close to (your) home.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1697862.stm

An illegal regime, like the "trnc", cannot arrest anyone for any reason.

The "trnc" and its supporters should be arrested for breaking international law, UN resolutions, ethnic cleansing and the constitution of the republic of Cyprus.

Yes, in effect, anyone "detained" has been held against their will unlawfully, .......... kidnapped.

So take them to court. (Where?)

You will go to jail for incitement to a criminal act.

[bsharpish]

Therefore......... If you want Greek you should go to Greece

So in a perfect world - no greeks, no turks just Cypriots unified and actually building a nation together.

As a relatively impartial observer I'd be happy with that, especially as it might end the constant ethnic, racist,hellenic,turkic bullshit that passes for politics here in cypruscyberland

So England, Wales, Scotland and even the Falkland island can be part of the same country, but Cyprus can not be part of the Greek state along with all other Greek islands, despite that this is what the vast majority of Cypriots wanted?

So who decides in what country should an island/territory belong?

In the stated case.. lets see

England conquered Wales , Scotland a number of times over a few hundred years and took the Falklands off the argies in 1833.
During the building of the " empire" we merrily sailed around the world claiming assorted countries as we went along.

Oddly enough most of these countries eventually wanted self determination, so we lowered the flags and pissed off.

Scotland and Wales are now devolved with there own national parliaments happily releasing convicted terrorists.

I'd wager at least 2cents that the union with Greece would not be quite so popular as you think at the moment.... who in there right mind would want to tie themselves to a deadweight before swimming in the world economy ???

As for the SBA's ... close them down- I'm sure the Uk goverment would love too, however, I think "Uncle Sam" may have other idea's

And finally- If a democratic mandate in favour of Union with Greece was actually achieved... So be it---- but be prepared for a permanently divided Cyprus as a result

[cymart]

Most people here realised that union with Greece was not on the cards years ago and furthermore that Cyprus would gain nothing from it!Also overlooked is whether people in Greece would have wanted Cyprus to be joined with them anyway?
Fortunately this has all been forgotten,especially since we joined the E.U. and my impression is that only a few extremists with other agendas in both north and south try to drag it up to justify their own positions?

[Piratis]

Therefore......... If you want Greek you should go to Greece

So in a perfect world - no greeks, no turks just Cypriots unified and actually building a nation together.

As a relatively impartial observer I'd be happy with that, especially as it might end the constant ethnic, racist,hellenic,turkic bullshit that passes for politics here in cypruscyberland

So England, Wales, Scotland and even the Falkland island can be part of the same country, but Cyprus can not be part of the Greek state along with all other Greek islands, despite that this is what the vast majority of Cypriots wanted?

So who decides in what country should an island/territory belong?

In the stated case.. lets see

England conquered Wales , Scotland a number of times over a few hundred years and took the Falklands off the argies in 1833.
During the building of the " empire" we merrily sailed around the world claiming assorted countries as we went along.

Oddly enough most of these countries eventually wanted self determination, so we lowered the flags and pissed off.

Scotland and Wales are now devolved with there own national parliaments happily releasing convicted terrorists.

I'd wager at least 2cents that the union with Greece would not be quite so popular as you think at the moment.... who in there right mind would want to tie themselves to a deadweight before swimming in the world economy ???

As for the SBA's ... close them down- I'm sure the Uk goverment would love too, however, I think "Uncle Sam" may have other idea's.

The current financial problems of Greece are only temporary ones and can not be compared to the problem we have, which goes on for decades and has resulted in 1/3rd of the population being refugees.

I don't see any other Greek island or territory wanting to brake out from the rest of Greece, so why would Cypriots want such thing?

Being part of a bigger country (with other people of our own nationality) would be a protection for us. The bigger the country the more powerful it is.

This is why the foreign imperialists didn't allow Cyprus to be part of the Greek state. Not because they cared about the Cypriot people, but because they wanted to keep Cyprus isolated something which would make it easier for them to maintain troops and control over parts of our island.

And finally- If a democratic mandate in favour of Union with Greece was actually achieved... So be it---- but be prepared for a permanently divided Cyprus as a result

Is that a threat? Why should Cyprus be divided if the Cypriot people democratically choose for their own island to be united with the rest of Greece?

There are many Scottish that don't want Scotland to be to be part of the UK, and other Scottish people that want. Does this mean that Scotland should be divided?

And England and Scotland are actually two separate nations, while the Cypriots are part of the Greek nation like Cretans, Rhodians, Athenians etc.

[bigOz]

NO! Cyprus berlongs to Turkish mainlanders - since Hitites (of Anatolia from mainland Turkey) occupied the land thousands of years before Greek travellers started to settle! It then belongs to Egyptians and Assyrians for the very same reason.

And since when was Crete a Greek island??? I quote:

"Crete had the first European civilization over 4000 years ago with the Minoans. Once this civilization came to an end around 1400 BC. Why is still not clear and theories abound.

From then on, Crete was invaded by all the neighbours, starting with the Mycenean, then the Dorians and later the Romans. The fall of the Roman Empire put Crete under the rule of the Byzantine Empire and Christianity was further established.
The Arabs invaded and conquered Crete in the 8th - 9th century, it was taken back by Byzance and eventually sold to the Venetians in the early 13th century. The rule of the Venetians prevailed until 1669 when the island surrendered to the Turks. Turkish rule lasted until 1898 when Crete was placed under international administration. In 1913, Crete was officially attached to Greece."
http://www.west-crete.com/cretan-history.htm

As it happens - Greeks never fought or coquered Crete even when it was made part of Greece - as a gift - by the ruling European powers! Go back to school re malaka!

[vaughanwilliams]

How many Greek-Cypriots have visited the north since 1974 and how many of them have been arrested?

More than a hundred.

Most of the people arrested have been charged with firearms offences or tresspassing on/photographing restricted areas. This last is also common in other countries close to (your) home.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1697862.stm

An illegal regime, like the "trnc", cannot arrest anyone for any reason.

The "trnc" and its supporters should be arrested for breaking international law, UN resolutions, ethnic cleansing and the constitution of the republic of Cyprus.

Yes, in effect, anyone "detained" has been held against their will unlawfully, .......... kidnapped.

So take them to court. (Where?)

As ever the journey starts in the Courts of the Republic, as per your friends the Orams, but in this example it would be a criminal matter brought by appropriate prosecuting authorities, prob against individual "police"/kidnappers.... who would then only be able to cross in to the Free Areas to pick up the usual benefits at personal risk of lawful detention.

We did see with VW's friends the Orams that the good citizens of the Free Areas and elsewhere, through the Courts of the Republic, do have a longer reach than he would like to have us believe.

As you well know, civil law and criminal law are two very different things. You cannot impose your laws on another country, whether you recognise them or not. If you choose to visit a country you agree to abide by their laws, and these may not be the same laws of the country you normally reside in. If you cannot accept this concept, you should not visit.

[kurupetos]

NO! Cyprus berlongs to Turkish mainlanders - since Hitites (of Anatolia from mainland Turkey) occupied the land thousands of years before Greek travellers started to settle! It then belongs to Egyptians and Assyrians for the very same reason.

And since when was Crete a Greek island??? I quote:

"Crete had the first European civilization over 4000 years ago with the Minoans. Once this civilization came to an end around 1400 BC. Why is still not clear and theories abound.

From then on, Crete was invaded by all the neighbours, starting with the Mycenean, then the Dorians and later the Romans. The fall of the Roman Empire put Crete under the rule of the Byzantine Empire and Christianity was further established.
The Arabs invaded and conquered Crete in the 8th - 9th century, it was taken back by Byzance and eventually sold to the Venetians in the early 13th century. The rule of the Venetians prevailed until 1669 when the island surrendered to the Turks. Turkish rule lasted until 1898 when Crete was placed under international administration. In 1913, Crete was officially attached to Greece."
http://www.west-crete.com/cretan-history.htm

As it happens - Greeks never fought or coquered Crete even when it was made part of Greece - as a gift - by the ruling European powers! Go back to school re malaka!

What a load of bollocks!

[Oracle]

The only thing people learn by visiting the occupied area is how much is the coffee in Kyrenia and how to play the black jack.

If people try to find something important they risk to be arrested and possibly murdered.

You have conclusively demonstrated yourself to be, Piratis, a complete idiot.

This is what happened to many Cypriots who tried to enter their own homes in occupied Cyprus, or areas which are restricted by the Turkish army such as Famagusta. Yet others have been murdered for investigating the issue of our cultural destruction and tried to save what they could.

How many over the last 36 years ? As Get Real likes to say "credible evidence and credible links" ?

How many risked their life trying to learn something important? Greek Cypriots are allowed only as tourists in their own homeland!

But if you want links, I will give you a sample. Cypriots arrested even from doing the most innocent things, like taking photographs of their own homes or cutting flowers from their own garden. Try to do anything more important, like protect our cultural heritage from the invaders or learn what the Turkish army is illegally doing in our country, and your life is at risk.

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/refug ... a/20100713

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/arres ... their-home

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/quotation/th ... sted-north

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/growi ... eath-north

Also, gathering snails:

http://www.hri.org/MFA/foreign/cyprus/cyp_infor.html

And, merely existing:

http://www.kypros.org/Cyprus_Problem/soldier.html

Or, objecting to the occupation:

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/event ... u/20100731

[paliometoxo]

NO! Cyprus berlongs to Turkish mainlanders - since Hitites (of Anatolia from mainland Turkey) occupied the land thousands of years before Greek travellers started to settle! It then belongs to Egyptians and Assyrians for the very same reason.

And since when was Crete a Greek island??? I quote:

"Crete had the first European civilization over 4000 years ago with the Minoans. Once this civilization came to an end around 1400 BC. Why is still not clear and theories abound.

From then on, Crete was invaded by all the neighbours, starting with the Mycenean, then the Dorians and later the Romans. The fall of the Roman Empire put Crete under the rule of the Byzantine Empire and Christianity was further established.
The Arabs invaded and conquered Crete in the 8th - 9th century, it was taken back by Byzance and eventually sold to the Venetians in the early 13th century. The rule of the Venetians prevailed until 1669 when the island surrendered to the Turks. Turkish rule lasted until 1898 when Crete was placed under international administration. In 1913, Crete was officially attached to Greece."
http://www.west-crete.com/cretan-history.htm

As it happens - Greeks never fought or coquered Crete even when it was made part of Greece - as a gift - by the ruling European powers! Go back to school re malaka!

no you will find that its the ottomans who came and invaded while the greeks and catholics had been here for all those decades and hundreds of years before the ottomands decided to come and invade and threw the catholics out of power.. and they killed 20,000 gcs while doing so for the hell of it...

[Simon]

NO! Cyprus berlongs to Turkish mainlanders - since Hitites (of Anatolia from mainland Turkey) occupied the land thousands of years before Greek travellers started to settle! It then belongs to Egyptians and Assyrians for the very same reason.

And since when was Crete a Greek island??? I quote:

"Crete had the first European civilization over 4000 years ago with the Minoans. Once this civilization came to an end around 1400 BC. Why is still not clear and theories abound.

From then on, Crete was invaded by all the neighbours, starting with the Mycenean, then the Dorians and later the Romans. The fall of the Roman Empire put Crete under the rule of the Byzantine Empire and Christianity was further established.
The Arabs invaded and conquered Crete in the 8th - 9th century, it was taken back by Byzance and eventually sold to the Venetians in the early 13th century. The rule of the Venetians prevailed until 1669 when the island surrendered to the Turks. Turkish rule lasted until 1898 when Crete was placed under international administration. In 1913, Crete was officially attached to Greece."
http://www.west-crete.com/cretan-history.htm

As it happens - Greeks never fought or coquered Crete even when it was made part of Greece - as a gift - by the ruling European powers! Go back to school re malaka!

What a load of bollocks!

My sentiments entirely!