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by **Piratis** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:51 pm

Oracle wrote:
CopperLine wrote:
Piratis wrote:Personally I have not crossed to the occupied territory and I do not intent to do so until it is liberated liberated.

Well, for someone born after 74 and who has never been to the north that's some admission for one so certain about what goes on in the north. This does however go some way to explaining why you are so entirely ignorant of the north that you can only work in stereotype and cartoon-characters.

Well done, Piratis, this acknowledgment is the first positive step to recovery.

Oh, do we have to see for ourselves that there are thousands of Turkish troops stationed there? Do we have to be led out of the occupied areas personally, at gunpoint, before we believe they want to maintain ethnic cleansing against us who are Greek?

The only thing people learn by visiting the occupied area is how much is the coffee in Kyrenia and how to play the black jack.

If people try to find something important they risk to be arrested and possibly murdered. This is what happened to many Cypriots who tried to enter their own homes in occupied Cyprus, or areas which are restricted by the Turkish army such as Famagusta. Yet others have been murdered for investigating the issue of our cultural destruction and tried to save what they could.

I don't need to go to the occupied areas to know that this is a territory which is illegally occupied by Turkish troops and which is not ruled democratically by the Cypriot people, as it should.

by **Piratis** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 3:54 pm

vaughanwilliams wrote:
Piratis wrote:
AWE wrote:close the border to all non-Cypriots then.

There is no "border" to be closed.

The north part of Cyprus is territory of Republic of Cyprus which is illegally occupied by Turkish troops. RoC could close access to this territory if it wanted. There are many good reasons to do so and many good reasons not to.

But I agree with apc here. We first have to deal with those Cypriot assholes that go to "casinos" and other illegal venues in the occupied part of Cyprus, and then deal with any foreigners. A foreigner might have the excuse that he doesn't have good knowledge of the situation in Cyprus. A Cypriot has no such excuse.

Personally I have not crossed to the occupied territory and I do not intent to do so until it is liberated liberated.

And RoC is in the EU and EU citizens have freedom of movement throughout the EU, including the TRNC, which is also in the EU.

"trnc" is nothing more than how the Turks call th territory of Republic of Cyprus which they illegally occupy.

Countries can close certain areas to the public for many reasons, e.g. military zones. If Republic of Cyprus wanted to close access to part of the island it has every right to do so.

by **CopperLine** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 4:20 pm

Piratis wrote:The only thing people learn by visiting the occupied area is how much is the coffee in Kyrenia and how to play the black jack.

If people try to find something important they risk to be arrested and possibly murdered.

You have conclusively demonstrated yourself to be, Piratis, a complete idiot.

This is what happened to many Cypriots who tried to enter their own homes in occupied Cyprus, or areas which are restricted by the Turkish army such as Famagusta. Yet others have been murdered for investigating the issue of our cultural destruction and tried to save what they could.

How many over the last 36 years ? As Get Real likes to say "credible evidence and credible links" ?

by **cymart** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:12 pm

How many Greek-Cypriots have visited the north since 1974 and how many of them have been arrested?

by **thegame24** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:31 pm

I got a question for the TCs here.

If Enosis happened (preJunta) would you have emigrated as much as you have since the turks "saved" you?

(note: I dont say this as a supporter of Enosis, just a general question)

by **Gasman** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:41 pm

There are strict limits on what can be brought back from the North to the RoC (40 ciggies - no idea about alcohol but it's not much I hear).

Gamblers who cross over to gamble there can spend any amount of money there.

But none of the people going there are breaking any laws. If the RoC wants to make it 'illegal' for GCs, Tourists or foreigners living in Cyprus to go there - then let them do so.

And anyone who thinks it is 'like Turkey' is nuts! If I want the 'Turkish Experience' I go to Turkey. It's more like RoC without so many Brits and tourists in high season. Oh and more litter in the streets. And you stil can't flush looroll down the bogs there!

Some people seem to have forgotten Cyprus is an EU member country now. And EU citizens have rights! Non EU citizens might find they have more trouble crossing over - but in practice it doesn't seem to happen. And Turkish people living in the North are not allowed to come South (not unless they are married to a TC - and there might be some other exceptions).

Remember the whole of Cyprus is in the EU and TCs are EU citizens too.

by **Gasman** » Wed Jul 28, 2010 6:52 pm

(Official Journal of the European Union L 158 of 30 April 2004)
Corrigendum to Directive 2004/58/EC of the European Parliament and of the Council of 29 April 2004 on the right of citizens of the Union and their family members to move and reside freely within the territory of the Member States amending Regulation (EEC) No 1612/68 and repealing Directives 64/221/EEC, 68/360/EEC, 72/194/EEC, 73/148/EEC, 75/34/EEC, 75/35/EEC, 90/364/EEC, 90/365/EEC and 93/96/EEC

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=OJ:L:2004:229:0035:0048:EN:PDF