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[Jerry]

Copperline, it may not have been the intention of the majority of TCs but partition, and even a return to Turkish rule, was certainly on the cards as far as Turkey was concerned in the 1950s. I have little doubt that Denktash, given the chance, would have offered his services as the new sultan of Cyprus.

[bigOz]

How could it have anything to do with the coup when partition was the aim of TCs from the 50s?

Wrong. No, it was not the aim of the vast majority of TCs

Isn't what we have today what TCs always wanted (apart from their "Turkish state" being unrecognized)?

Wrong. No, it was not the aim of the vast majority of TCs

Didn't TCs always want to annihilate GCs from the north part of Cyprus, so they can move there and as a result have two separate and ethnically pure states?

Wrong. No.

How can you now complain about the results of your own aim? You started a conflict in 1958 and a war in 1974 in order to segregate and divide Cypriots along ethnic lines so you can implement your plan of partition, and now you complain about it?

Wrong. No, 80% of TCs were not even born in 1958 so how could they have plotted anything?

Mr. "Percentages" Piratis, is 100% wrong in all his assumptions. Again.

Copper, with all due respect, thats just your opinion.

Piratis has shown many time, with facts, that what he says is true.

I think you lost it on this occasion.

Are you insane? Where is the shred of evidence to support such wild assumptions?

It was the GCs and EOKA who always wanted to unite the island with Greece. The TC partition demands were in response to this and nothing more! Once therepublic was declared - There were no such demands by any TC (and that included the TMT). CAN YOU SAY THE SAME ABOUT EOKA-B?

[Oracle]

How could it have anything to do with the coup when partition was the aim of TCs from the 50s?

Wrong. No, it was not the aim of the vast majority of TCs

Isn't what we have today what TCs always wanted (apart from their "Turkish state" being unrecognized)?

Wrong. No, it was not the aim of the vast majority of TCs

Didn't TCs always want to annihilate GCs from the north part of Cyprus, so they can move there and as a result have two separate and ethnically pure states?

Wrong. No.

How can you now complain about the results of your own aim? You started a conflict in 1958 and a war in 1974 in order to segregate and divide Cypriots along ethnic lines so you can implement your plan of partition, and now you complain about it?

Wrong. No, 80% of TCs were not even born in 1958 so how could they have plotted anything?

Mr. "Percentages" Piratis, is 100% wrong in all his assumptions. Again.

Copper, with all due respect, thats just your opinion.

Piratis has shown many time, with facts, that what he says is true.

I think you lost it on this occasion.

Are you insane? Where is the shred of evidence to support such wild assumptions?

It was the GCs and EOKA who always wanted to unite the island with Greece. The TC partition demands were in response to this and nothing more! Once therepublic was declared - There were no such demands by any TC (and that included the TMT). CAN YOU SAY THE SAME ABOUT EOKA-B?

You're one of the first to boast about how brilliant Turkey is. Are you now saying all this, occupation of half a country, came about by accident?

What we see today, is the result of what Turkey has aspired to since it "gave up" rights to Cyprus. The Ottoman Expansionism lives on and every few decades Turkey seems to have swallowed up another neighbour ...

[denizaksulu]

Deniz said:

"The attitude of some young GCs expressing the view 'look how the TCs live or used to live' has been displayed on this forum more than once."

I cannot speak about TC architecture in general, but in Lefkara I had a chance to take a good look at various houses. Most were large stone houses built around a central courtyard in typically Mediterranean architecture. The GC and TC quarters of Lefkara had pretty much the same style of building.

You are right . In the villages they were identical.

I refer to gasmans pictures of town houses in Larnaca. Most houses were similar but some olde TC houses had the Ottoman overhanging windows. As gasman had also pointed out, and you too with reference to Lefkara houses, Turkish ones would be introvert with inner courtyards. Outer walls would be 'accidentally' or intentionally demolished socar parking would be available. The crumbling down of these constructions would follow naturally. This I have seen in my village, Anglisides.

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The first pic was once a large home with an immense courtyard with trees and a fountain. Now exposed to anyone who wishes to park there. Most of the rooms around the courtyard also demolished. They had no chance of survival being made of mud brick and covered with plaster.

Unfortunately I had never been to Lefkara but have heard the houses there were lovely. My father would tell us stories of his sojourn up there with his donkey selling farm produce.

The second picture even shows a road through a once 'inner courtyard. The asphalting of the road must have been carried out by RoC agencies.

[CopperLine]

Copperline, it may not have been the intention of the majority of TCs but partition, and even a return to Turkish rule, was certainly on the cards as far as Turkey was concerned in the 1950s. I have little doubt that Denktash, given the chance, would have offered his services as the new sultan of Cyprus.

Of course Denktash's own agenda has been clear for ... half a century plus. But Denktash is not "most TCs". Amongst the basic problems that Piratis has is that he attributes or assigns views and characteristics derived from one or two people whether TCs or GCs or Turks, etc, to the entire population or ethnos. It is nothing short of absurd. There's no wonder he and others who do this keep going round in ever-useless circles.

You've surely got to ask of any society "if this is what we really want, why are so many of us leaving for UK, Canada, Australia and wherever else" ? That's a question for the 50s, 60s, 70s as well as today. Piratis and his ilk, and his TC alter-egos, do not speak for all GCs (or TCs). The sharp black and white picture that he constantly paints is precisely wrong in every detail.

[bill cobbett]

Bill;
Where do you think TC refugees lived after the events of 1963. There was no TMT action at all. After Nicos Sampson emptied Omorphita and took his prisoners, when they returned their houses were all looted and most were burnt down (NOT by TMT I must add). Other outlying villagers also lived in tents as refugees. Its about time we all recognise the suffering of all the people of Cyprus.
My first wife a TC was 15 at the time from Omorphita I know very well where her family lived as a refugees for many years. So you cant deny what I and many TCs know first hand. It is always claimed that TCs are a minority. By the same token the GCs as a majority will have a greater number of refugees. That is unescapable under the circumstances. We must accept each others sufferings and not only one sides.

Regards

Our Dearly Beloved Deniz, forgive me if was trying to commit major CF Crime by staying focused on the thread... the matter of deeds issued to refugees of the Free Areas in very recent years.

To which would add don't have much of a problem when the Illegal Regime allows building for any basic housing needs of our tissies (not Settlers) on State Land in the Occupied Areas except a to ask and then try and answer a question...

Why should there be a need to build on the public areas for tissy housing? Surely there are far more than enough existing houses and building plots for our tissies?

Fear there can only be one answer to this question... we aint talking about building on State Lands in the Occupied Areas just and solely for our indegenous tissies are we? We're talking, in some measure, about housing Illegal Settlers aren't we?

[denizaksulu]

Bill;
Where do you think TC refugees lived after the events of 1963. There was no TMT action at all. After Nicos Sampson emptied Omorphita and took his prisoners, when they returned their houses were all looted and most were burnt down (NOT by TMT I must add). Other outlying villagers also lived in tents as refugees. Its about time we all recognise the suffering of all the people of Cyprus.
My first wife a TC was 15 at the time from Omorphita I know very well where her family lived as a refugees for many years. So you cant deny what I and many TCs know first hand. It is always claimed that TCs are a minority. By the same token the GCs as a majority will have a greater number of refugees. That is unescapable under the circumstances. We must accept each others sufferings and not only one sides.

Regards

Our Dearly Beloved Deniz, forgive me if was trying to commit major CF Crime by staying focused on the thread... the matter of deeds issued to refugees of the Free Areas in very recent years.

To which would add don't have much of a problem when the Illegal Regime allows building for any basic housing needs of our tissies (not Settlers) on State Land in the Occupied Areas except a to ask and then try and answer a question...

Why should there be a need to build on the public areas for tissy housing? Surely there are far more than enough existing houses and building plots for our tissies?

Fear there can only be one answer to this question... we aint talking about building on State Lands in the Occupied Areas just and solely for our indegenous tissies are we? We're talking, in some measure, about housing Illegal Settlers aren't we?

My response was to the refugee problem as a whole. Members here always refer to refugees of the 1974 war. Those of 1963 are forgotten - why? The are TC.

Otherwise I agree with most of your post.

[denizaksulu]

BC;

May I call Greek Cypriots 'Greasy' from now on?

[bill cobbett]

BC;

May I call Greek Cypriots 'Greasy' from now on?

Not a prob, prefer greecy or similar. .... just please don't call me "greek".!!!!!

[denizaksulu]

BC;

May I call Greek Cypriots 'Greasy' from now on?

Not a prob, prefer greecy or similar. .... just please don't call me "greek".!!!!!

I would never call you geek.