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[Piratis]

There are three old houses (quite big ones) in the old town that are used by some artists. I've been told they only pay 150 euro a month for all three of them and hardly ever use them.

Quite a lot of these residential properties have been turned into business premises. I mean in the back roads, not along the waterfront where I imagine some of them already were businesses.

The Turkish army does not only occupy the homes of our refugees, they also occupy their shops, fields etc.

So what is true for the homes is true for shops and everything else. Our refugees will temporarily use these TC properties until they are allowed by the Turks to take back their own.

It is the Turks who insist on the illegality, not us. It is them who want ethnic cleaning and forced segregation so they can create some "Turkish State" on land were the majority of the population has been Greek for 1000s of years. We would be more than glad if Turks agreed to give us back everything we own in the north part of our country, and then they can come to take back everything they own in the free areas as well.

[insan]

Those refugees were not given title deeds to TC properties, but to refugee housing build on state land.

Refugees who temporarily live in TC properties (until they are allowed by the Turks to return to their own homes) do not have title deeds for them.

Expropriations of TC properties (just like GC properties or properties owned by anybody else in Cyprus) are done only by the state in order to build roads, schools, hospitals etc.

Everything is very clear.

Gasman, if your sources are crap, then you get crap. Those who publish in the link you gave are nothing more than a bunch of criminals who illegally "bought" Greek Cypriot properties in the occupied part of Cyprus. Did you really expect to get any valid information from them?

State land? Are you sure?

Cyprus refugees to get Title Deeds

The government is trying to secure Title Deeds for all refugees living in government-built estates, including those on Turkish Cypriot land, a top official said on Thursday.
By: George Psyllides
Published: February 20th, 2010


INTERIOR Minister Neoclis Sylikiotis told the Cyprus Mail that an effort is being made to issue Title Deeds to those refugees living on Turkish Cypriot land through agreed procedures with the legal owners.

After 1974, the Republic put all Turkish Cypriot properties under the guardianship of the Interior Minister, who prohibits their sale, exchange and transfer because of the state of emergency.

However, without following proper expropriation procedures, the Republic took large expanses of Turkish Cypriot-owned land for development projects and for refugee estates.

The minister said there have been Turkish Cypriots willing to come to an agreement where their land was used to house Greek Cypriot refugees.

http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers. ... /id=003976

There have been TCs willing to come to an agreement, what about the others that willing the restitution of their land?

[Piratis]

Those refugees were not given title deeds to TC properties, but to refugee housing build on state land.

Refugees who temporarily live in TC properties (until they are allowed by the Turks to return to their own homes) do not have title deeds for them.

Expropriations of TC properties (just like GC properties or properties owned by anybody else in Cyprus) are done only by the state in order to build roads, schools, hospitals etc.

Everything is very clear.

Gasman, if your sources are crap, then you get crap. Those who publish in the link you gave are nothing more than a bunch of criminals who illegally "bought" Greek Cypriot properties in the occupied part of Cyprus. Did you really expect to get any valid information from them?

State land? Are you sure?

Cyprus refugees to get Title Deeds

The government is trying to secure Title Deeds for all refugees living in government-built estates, including those on Turkish Cypriot land, a top official said on Thursday.
By: George Psyllides
Published: February 20th, 2010


INTERIOR Minister Neoclis Sylikiotis told the Cyprus Mail that an effort is being made to issue Title Deeds to those refugees living on Turkish Cypriot land through agreed procedures with the legal owners.

After 1974, the Republic put all Turkish Cypriot properties under the guardianship of the Interior Minister, who prohibits their sale, exchange and transfer because of the state of emergency.

However, without following proper expropriation procedures, the Republic took large expanses of Turkish Cypriot-owned land for development projects and for refugee estates.

The minister said there have been Turkish Cypriots willing to come to an agreement where their land was used to house Greek Cypriot refugees.

http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers. ... /id=003976

There have been TCs willing to come to an agreement, what about the others that willing the restitution of their land?

The only way that a refugee can get a title deed to a TC property is if the TC willingly sells his property. No other way. The refugees that live in TC properties do not have title deeds for them, and the TCs can take those properties back once they return ours.

Beyond that, expropriations for state infrastructure happen in all countries.

The question is insan: why did you create this problem? Wasn't this ethnic cleansing and partition your own aim since the 50s? So why do you blame us for the results of your own crime?

Even today we are the ones who want to correct the wrongs that your crimes have created to Cyprus. What we want is for our refugees to return to their own homes and the TCs to come back to their own properties. Unfortunately you do not accept this.

[denizaksulu]

Those refugees were not given title deeds to TC properties, but to refugee housing build on state land.

Refugees who temporarily live in TC properties (until they are allowed by the Turks to return to their own homes) do not have title deeds for them.

Expropriations of TC properties (just like GC properties or properties owned by anybody else in Cyprus) are done only by the state in order to build roads, schools, hospitals etc.

Everything is very clear.

Gasman, if your sources are crap, then you get crap. Those who publish in the link you gave are nothing more than a bunch of criminals who illegally "bought" Greek Cypriot properties in the occupied part of Cyprus. Did you really expect to get any valid information from them?

State land? Are you sure?

Cyprus refugees to get Title Deeds

The government is trying to secure Title Deeds for all refugees living in government-built estates, including those on Turkish Cypriot land, a top official said on Thursday.
By: George Psyllides
Published: February 20th, 2010


INTERIOR Minister Neoclis Sylikiotis told the Cyprus Mail that an effort is being made to issue Title Deeds to those refugees living on Turkish Cypriot land through agreed procedures with the legal owners.

After 1974, the Republic put all Turkish Cypriot properties under the guardianship of the Interior Minister, who prohibits their sale, exchange and transfer because of the state of emergency.

However, without following proper expropriation procedures, the Republic took large expanses of Turkish Cypriot-owned land for development projects and for refugee estates.

The minister said there have been Turkish Cypriots willing to come to an agreement where their land was used to house Greek Cypriot refugees.

http://www.news.cyprus-property-buyers. ... /id=003976

There have been TCs willing to come to an agreement, what about the others that willing the restitution of their land?

The only way that a refugee can get a title deed to a TC property is if the TC willingly sells his property. No other way. The refugees that live in TC properties do not have title deeds for them, and the TCs can take those properties back once they return ours.

Beyond that, expropriations for state infrastructure happen in all countries.

The question is insan: why did you create this problem? Wasn't this ethnic cleansing and partition your own aim since the 50s? So why do you blame us for the results of your own crime?

Even today we are the ones who want to correct the wrongs that your crimes have created to Cyprus. What we want is for our refugees to return to their own homes and the TCs to come back to their own properties. Unfortunately you do not accept this.

Oh yes. We started everything in 1974 didnt we. Ofcourse nothing to do with the coup.

The gramaphone needs to be dusted me thinks.




or was is

[denizaksulu]

Just up the road from those - here is what is going on with some others very recently:

My theory about the conditions of these houses used to be for the GCs to be able to tell tourists and others 'look how the Turkish Cypriots used to live' These people do not know that they once were great houses and their owners were proud of them They were similar to GCs house (with obvious differences too). The attitude of some young GCs expressing the view 'look how the TCs live or used to live' has been displayed on this forum more than once.

[bill cobbett]

Yes can confirm that some refugees have been given deeds to their houses, .... on State Land.

Here are two cases where acquaintances who were thrown out their homes in '74 and made refugees been given deeds on State Land.

In the Refugee Estate built on State Land over in Dhekalia, entrance just opposite the power station on the coast road. Provided refuge in pre-fab homes. Deeds to the plots on State Land made over.

In the Refugee Estate built on State Land on the outskirts of the village of Ormithia (middle of the EBA). Again provided refuge in hastily built, very basic pre-fab homes with corrugated asbestos roofs and outside toilets. These were demolished about five years ago and rebuilt to modern standards. Still pretty small houses by Cy standards. Deeds on State Land made over to refugees.

...and yes let's not forget the terrifying circumstances in which these refugees were thrown out of their villages. Know that unlike our northern friends who were so spoilt for choice with their new-found over-supply of houses they could invite in Settlers, many of the refugees who fled to the Free Areas spent some years under canvas in the Refugee Camps, before these very, very basic homes could be built for them on State Land

[denizaksulu]

Bill;
Where do you think TC refugees lived after the events of 1963. There was no TMT action at all. After Nicos Sampson emptied Omorphita and took his prisoners, when they returned their houses were all looted and most were burnt down (NOT by TMT I must add). Other outlying villagers also lived in tents as refugees. Its about time we all recognise the suffering of all the people of Cyprus.
My first wife a TC was 15 at the time from Omorphita I know very well where her family lived as a refugees for many years. So you cant deny what I and many TCs know first hand. It is always claimed that TCs are a minority. By the same token the GCs as a majority will have a greater number of refugees. That is unescapable under the circumstances. We must accept each others sufferings and not only one sides.

Regards

[humanist]

Deniz

Bill;
Where do you think TC refugees lived after the events of 1963. There was no TMT action at all. After Nicos Sampson emptied Omorphita and took his prisoners, when they returned their houses were all looted and most were burnt down (NOT by TMT I must add). Other outlying villagers also lived in tents as refugees. Its about time we all recognise the suffering of all the people of Cyprus.
My first wife a TC was 15 at the time from Omorphita I know very well where her family lived as a refugees for many years. So you cant deny what I and many TCs know first hand. It is always claimed that TCs are a minority. By the same token the GCs as a majority will have a greater number of refugees. That is unescapable under the circumstances. We must accept each others sufferings and not only one sides.

Regards

Correct and indeed true.

So lets all of us kiss and make up, return each others homes, rebuild those that have been knocked down by Turkish bombs and get on with our lives. LOL this thing is dragging on for ever.

[insan]

Yes can confirm that some refugees have been given deeds to their houses, .... on State Land.

Here are two cases where acquaintances who were thrown out their homes in '74 and made refugees been given deeds on State Land.

In the Refugee Estate built on State Land over in Dhekalia, entrance just opposite the power station on the coast road. Provided refuge in pre-fab homes. Deeds to the plots on State Land made over.

In the Refugee Estate built on State Land on the outskirts of the village of Ormithia (middle of the EBA). Again provided refuge in hastily built, very basic pre-fab homes with corrugated asbestos roofs and outside toilets. These were demolished about five years ago and rebuilt to modern standards. Still pretty small houses by Cy standards. Deeds on State Land made over to refugees.

...and yes let's not forget the terrifying circumstances in which these refugees were thrown out of their villages. Know that unlike our northern friends who were so spoilt for choice with their new-found over-supply of houses they could invite in Settlers, many of the refugees who fled to the Free Areas spent some years under canvas in the Refugee Camps, before these very, very basic homes could be built for them on State Land

Bill, why are you trying to hide behind your finger(s)?

"... without following proper expropriation procedures, the Republic took large expanses of Turkish Cypriot-owned land for development projects and for refugee estates..."

As far as i know; our so-called leaderships have been visiting each other at least a dozen of times every year for the so-called talks since 1974... Couldn't they talk about proper expropriation procedures regarding the land belongs to citizens of Cyprus? Ohh, I forgot that "we" are all just the occupiers of Cyprus but "you" are the owners of whole island... maybe that's why...

In it's essential; there's no difference between "you" and "us"...

[denizaksulu]

Deniz

Bill;
Where do you think TC refugees lived after the events of 1963. There was no TMT action at all. After Nicos Sampson emptied Omorphita and took his prisoners, when they returned their houses were all looted and most were burnt down (NOT by TMT I must add). Other outlying villagers also lived in tents as refugees. Its about time we all recognise the suffering of all the people of Cyprus.
My first wife a TC was 15 at the time from Omorphita I know very well where her family lived as a refugees for many years. So you cant deny what I and many TCs know first hand. It is always claimed that TCs are a minority. By the same token the GCs as a majority will have a greater number of refugees. That is unescapable under the circumstances. We must accept each others sufferings and not only one sides.

Regards

Correct and indeed true.

So lets all of us kiss and make up, return each others homes, rebuild those that have been knocked down by Turkish bombs and get on with our lives. LOL this thing is dragging on for ever.

I wish also...............................I hope you were not being sarcy Humanist.