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[Paphitis]

We are all very clear that he (and I don't wish to offer a defence for his actions) was sold out by the Americans, not so much to hit at Greece, but to achieve Partition and eventual double union of Cyprus with Greece and Turkey in order to keep Cyprus and its people under Greek and Turkish control which means that the island will be forever under NATO's umbrella in the East Mediterranean.

We as Cypriots gave them the opportunity, and provided NATO and the US with a motive!

[Kifeas]

Finally the dictator who started it all spoke. Ioannides gave his first ever interview to journalist Frangos. The information is, for me anyway, very interesting.

On July 20, after the invasion started, Ioannides met at the Greek armed forces HQ with the following people, the list is fascinating:

President of Greece, Gizikis
Prime Minister Andritsopoulos
Foreign Minister Kypraios
Defence Minister Latsoudis
Chiefs of the Army, Navy and Airforce
US UNDERSECRETARY OF STATE SISCO
US AMBASSADOR HENRY TASKA

"Sisco told us to show self restraint. He ssured us that he (Sisco) and Kissinger would convince the Turks to leave the island in the next few days, leaving behind a force of 1500 men to reinforce the Turkish Cyprus Contingent and to boost the morale of the TCs. For the above reasons he asked us to avoid any military operations" says Ioannides.

It is amazing that a time of a historic national crisis the Greek dictator and his chief advisers and collaborators would be holding a JOINT council with American officials.

What is even more astounding is that while the Greeks, through their coupist oficers who were by now in full control of the island, did not have direct intelligence about the situation developing on the ground. A simple count of the landed troops and the scale of the invasion would have been enough to make them understand that the Americans were selling them a crock.

Fascinating stuff and interesting insights into the workings of the military mind. What happened to the old adage that you engage the enemy wherever he appears and all that crap.

He says nothing new. The above and some more he said in his interview to "Eleftheros Typos," are well known facts and others have written about them. Droushiotis in his book, as well as many others confirm the fact that the US tried to hold back Greece. Americans themselves admit it as well. What Ioannidis doesn't tell us is who from the Americans assured him that going ahead with a coup against Makarios will not bother the Turks as the Americans will hold them back. Probably his close friend and CIA agent Gust Avrakotos?

[Get Real!]

If you want the truth to come out of this cockroach, just tie him upside down from a fig tree and whip him good from morning to dusk until he vomits it!

That’s the ONLY method that works with garbage like that…

[denizaksulu]

We are all very clear that he (and I don't wish to offer a defence for his actions) was sold out by the Americans, not so much to hit at Greece, but to achieve Partition and eventual double union of Cyprus with Greece and Turkey in order to keep Cyprus and its people under Greek and Turkish control which means that the island will be forever under NATO's umbrella in the East Mediterranean.

We as Cypriots gave them the opportunity, and provided NATO and the US with a motive!

Do you still wish Cyprus to Join NATO?

[Paphitis]

We are all very clear that he (and I don't wish to offer a defence for his actions) was sold out by the Americans, not so much to hit at Greece, but to achieve Partition and eventual double union of Cyprus with Greece and Turkey in order to keep Cyprus and its people under Greek and Turkish control which means that the island will be forever under NATO's umbrella in the East Mediterranean.

We as Cypriots gave them the opportunity, and provided NATO and the US with a motive!

Do you still wish Cyprus to Join NATO?

Yes!

[Gasman]

With Malta’s entry into PfP in April 2008 and France’s re-entry into NATO’s Integrated Military Command in 2009, Cyprus has become the main outlier within the NATO-EU partnership. Cyprus is not a PfP member and, partly due to a Turkish veto, does not have a security agreement with NATO for exchanging classified documents.

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Cooperation between the EU and NATO has also been hampered by the Turkish-Cypriot dispute. Turkish objections to sharing sensitive NATO military information with the government of Cyprus pending a political settlement acceptable to its Turkish minority, currently protected by some 35,000 Turkish troops, have limited formal NATO-EU intelligence sharing since May 2004, when Cyprus joined the EU without accepting a UN peace proposal acceptable to the government in Ankara. The Cyprus government, sometimes assisted by Greece and other EU members, has retaliated by blocking Turkey’s participation in certain EU defense activities, such the European Defense Agency.

The dispute has escalated to the point today where it impedes a broad range of possible EU-NATO cooperative efforts. Whereas NATO seeks to exclude Cyprus from discussions relating both to the “Berlin Plus” arrangements and general “strategic cooperation,” the EU – partly out of solidarity with Cyprus, partly due to the desire of some members to limit EU-NATO collaboration – insists that the exclusion only applies in the former case, and currently refuses to engage in the latter process unless the government of Cyprus participates. Thus far, only “informal” NAC-PSC meetings involving all 27 countries (including Cyprus) have occurred. Since they lack the authority to make decisions, they have simply discussed mutual concerns, such as Darfur and Kosovo.

These mutual antagonisms have limited NATO-EU cooperation in general and disrupted the joint NATO-EU security missions in Afghanistan, Kosovo, and in the Gulf of Aden off Somalia. For example, the various EU-NATO institutional arrangements and meetings in Europe have been constrained by an inability to hold formal sessions with an agreed agenda or the authority to reach substantive decisions. In Afghanistan, the EU and NATO have been unable to reach a comprehensive agreement on how to protect EUPOL trainers. In Kosovo, Turkey has prevented Cyprus from helping train the Kosovo police force.

CONCLUSIONS: Neither the EU nor NATO will be able to realize important security goals without Turkey’s full support. Turkey’s potential contribution for helping Europeans enhance their energy security and counter radical Islamist movements is well known. Thanks to its large population and the geographically broad perspective of its national security community, Turkey also has one of the largest and most readily deployable armies in Europe. Turkish troops and commanders have assumed important roles in Afghanistan, the western Balkans, and other Western-backed peace missions. Turkey’s location is pivotal for sustaining any major EU or NATO military operation in the eastern Mediterranean or northern Middle East.

The solution to many of the EU-NATO problems involving Turkey is to address their root causes rather than merely their symptoms. Expanding Turkey’s role in ESDP decision making would ease many of the anxieties in Ankara about the Union’s growing security roles. If Turkey is not soon offered EU membership, then it should receive at least as much influence in ESDP decision-making structures as Ankara had previously enjoyed as a WEU associate member—a status that was evidently pledged at NATO’s April 1999 Washington Summit. Alternately, undertaking a more genuine effort to bring Turkey into the EU would make Turkish policy makers tolerate exclusionary ESDP practices since they would know that this discrimination was a temporary phase pending Ankara’s membership accession.

Richard Weitz, Ph.D., Senior Fellow and Director of the Center for Political-Military Analysis, the Hudson Institute, Washington D.C..

[Bananiot]

Damnation, another fig tree from GR!

If you want the truth to come out of this cockroach, just tie him upside down from a fig tree and whip him good from morning to dusk until he vomits it!

GR has threatened to hung (some upside down) from a fig tree some half a dozen people so far. If I were an anti GR I would get rid of all fig trees. Send them to the north.

[Oracle]

I think we are all clear on the overall picture. It's the details that are missing; and if he can supply them before it's too late, then some people might be forced to let go of some of their prejudices which prevent us making the right decisions for the future!

Do you people honestly expect this corrupt and selfish criminal to paint a picture other than one that softens the blow of his involvement?

How naïve can you people possibly get?

If he was "soft" he would have shown remorse and as Nikitas stated he "is not willing to sign a statement of regret". The sad fact is they knew who they were working with (USA/CIA), and in Ioannides' mind, he was right. What is now sad GR!, is that people like yourself, who are so willing to condemn the USA and its worldwide involvement and influence everywhere, are so entrenched in anti-Greek propaganda that they make such an unfortunate exception regarding our ally, Greece.

[Nikitas]

"What Ioannidis doesn't tell us ...."

He is not the only one. I do not doubt that he is telling the truth, but it is not the whole truth. This adherence to a line has been shown by other Junta people.

Papapostolou, a weird guy who was a special forces officer, described in an interview how a ferry boat full of volunteers was dispatched to Cyprus. He insisted during an interview that the ferry did not make it to Cyprus due to lack of air cover.

At least two of the passengers on that ferry were my schoolmates from primary school studying medicine in Athens. THey both state that the ship was stopped by two American ships between Rodos and Cyprus and forced to turn back.

Maybe these guys are taking their oath to secrecy and whatever cause they are committed to so seriously they are willing to take their information to the grave.

[Nikephoros]

"Sisco told us to show self restraint. He ssured us that he (Sisco) and Kissinger would convince the Turks to leave the island in the next few days, leaving behind a force of 1500 men to reinforce the Turkish Cyprus Contingent and to boost the morale of the TCs. For the above reasons he asked us to avoid any military operations" says Ioannides.

The USA at the last hour intervened to stop the attempted Turkish invasions of 1964 and 1967 diplomatically.[1] But on October 25, 1971 in the United Nations Spyros Kyprianou representing Cyprus voted to recognize China in the United Nations(vote 2578), after this the United States began to look more hostilely at Cyprus as a country.[2]

More anti-American actions from the cassocked loser Makarios and his leftist supporters:

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/cyprus/chris ... bargo-cuba
Sept. 30, 2009
"PRESIDENT Demetris Chrisofias participated in the official opening of Cyprus first embassy in Havana, Cuba yesterday, in the presence of Ambassadors of other EU member states in Havana.
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"Recalling that Archbishop Makarios Cyprus first President had given instructions for a Cypriot-flagged ship break the embargo against Cuba soon after it was imposed" ...
...

Also there is:
visiting almost every Soviet bloc capitol
refusing the offer for 20,000 NATO peacekeepers(none from Greece and Turkey)

Do you expect after leftist Arab-descended Cypriotist leftists do all these anti-American activities that the USA is gonna restrain the invasion Turkey has been pinning for, for so long, any longer. Face it the Greek Cypriots were and still are clueless leftards idiots thinking their society of 600,000-700,000 souls can give the middle figure to the USA. Then when USA abandons them so the Turks can eat them they make conspiracy theories like losers forgetting how much their society and leaders tried to be anti-American.

They also think they can be extremely anti-Greek and then bitch Greek balls off where the Greek military was. Even today on Cyprus are the same Cypriot womanish leftists who are totally unrealistic and ideological clowns reducing their defense spending to a little more than 2% of GDP and staking their diplomatic efforts on pretending to re-unite with murderous Turkish Cypriot traitors.

[1] Τα μυστικά αρχεία του Κίσιντζερ Η απόφαση για τη διχοτόμηση. p. 13
[2] Ibid. p. 15